Those who decide not to get a CI

kokonut said:
I see it as doing it just as well as a hearing person, including the use of their hearing to do the job. That quote is a statement saying that one cannot do a job when hearing is required. Not everyone can do it but certainly many of us can do just as well.
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King Jordan isnt stupid. He doesnt mean it LITERALLY..otherwise that would be like him saying that someone like me become a voice recognization specialist for the FBI.

It is about not judging people's abilities based on their hearing status.
 
PFH: are suggesting there are more "Prelingual deaf babies" than adults who become deaf-- duh?


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shel90 said:
I am deaf and can speak!!! Oh wait....there is something wrong with this picture! I DONT have a CI and I cant speak!!! That's horrible!

:lol:
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:lol: Good one.

shel90 said:
Those hearing people who believe that are stupid. They need a t-shirt saying "I am with stupid" with an arrow pointing upwards. :lol:
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Deaf community ought invest in a bulk of this t-shirt and give it to every person that utters such ignorant things about deaf people. ;)

shel90 said:
Oh tell me about it. At my 2nd job last weekend, I worked with hearing staff ( mind you, it was a deaf agency) and she was treating me like I was stupid until I yelled at her saying that "I may be deaf but I know what the f** I am doing so do you mind?"

This woman works for a deaf agency and talks to me like that? I filled out an incident report against her. Not going to tolerate any form of oppression. Period!
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Good for you!

deafbajagal said:
And in that sense...that's the reason deaf kids who are exposed to ASL often have better speech skills than a child who is implanted with CI along with receiving appropriate training...because sometimes the child who is getting exposure to language only through the aural-oral methods get behind in developing language skills..thus it's hard to learn speech if vocabulary and syntax are lacking...how can you speak a language if you don't understand the language? Luckily FJ's daughter is exposed to both (if I've read the posts correctly), which I believe is the reason she has really been successful with language and speech development along with getting all of the proper support she needs
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That doesn't surprise me. I spoke more and better once I had an grasp of sign language.

HHIssues said:
You were told you won't get much improvement based on what? Your background? History?
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Based on the fact that I benefited quite well from HAs, so the CI will work the same or with little improvement, which doesn't make any difference.

posts from hell said:
duh..... theres more people who are late deafened.....
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Yep. I'd laugh at them because now they know what it's like to walk in a deaf person's shoes. Mind you, I'm not laughing at great late deafened people on AD.
 
jillio said:
My reason for not implanting my son was that there was a solution available that was non-invasive. Bi-bi home and school. It was my responsibility as a parent to adapt to his needs rather than forcing him to adapt to mine.
As an adult, he is still not implanted. His reasoning now is that he does not see how a CI could improve his life at all. He is well satisfied with his life.
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Wow Jillio, I like what you just said. Sure wish all hearing people could grasp this concept.
 
jillio said:
My reason for not implanting my son was that there was a solution available that was non-invasive. Bi-bi home and school. It was my responsibility as a parent to adapt to his needs rather than forcing him to adapt to mine.

As an adult, he is still not implanted. His reasoning now is that he does not see how a CI could improve his life at all. He is well satisfied with his life.
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I really like that bolded statement.
 
People see opportunities differently. People with hearing loss do have the right to hear when given the opportunity just as they have the right to a language when given the opportunity.
 
shel90 said:
My speech isnt important and I dont give a flying f*** about being a news announcer. I dont stress about that kind of thing. :lol:
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Now, you're saying that your speech isn't important? But you keep harping on to the parents that you were able to speak without the CI?
 
Daredevel7 said:
???

That's like saying, "Are you agile enough to be the next Jackie Chan?"

And also, how is your speech being good enough to be on the News make you have good conversation skills? It is still a one way conversation. That wonderful speaking deaf announcer can still not be able to listen or lipread for jack squat.
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Part of the point is that some of the deaf are harping on to the parents that they were able to learn to speak without the CI. But there's a difference between being understandable and having hearing like speech.
 
shel90 said:
In my opinion, I think people are taking that quote "Deaf people can do anything but hear" tooo literally.

King Jordan's meaning is that despite not being able to hear, deaf people are capable of doing a lot and the hidden message is "do not judge one's ability based on one's hearing."
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Keep in mind that statement was made 20+ years ago.
 
jillio said:
My reason for not implanting my son was that there was a solution available that was non-invasive. Bi-bi home and school. It was my responsibility as a parent to adapt to his needs rather than forcing him to adapt to mine.
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There's more than one way for a parent to adapt to their child's needs and not just in your way.
 
kokonut said:
People see opportunities differently. People with hearing loss do have the right to hear when given the opportunity just as they have the right to a language when given the opportunity.
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Exactly, virtually all of the parents I have met over the years have viewed the cochlear implant as a device that could provide opportunities to their child that they would not otherwise have or otherwise not be able to obtain without a struggle. I have not met any parent who viewed their decision as forcing their needs upon their child or forcing their child to adapt to their needs.

In fact, it is usually quite the opposite as their child's needs and best interests have been at the forefront of their decision. While that may be one poster's view of why she decided to let her child decide later in life, it is not representative of the informed and reasoned decisions made by parents who actually chose the implant for their child.

If one wants to know why parents have chosen implants for their child, then best to ask the experts: parents who have actually made that decision. They can tell you their reasons why and do not need to have their decisions be interpreted by one who never made the decision to give their child a cochlear implant.
Rick
 
HHIssues said:
There's more than one way for a parent to adapt to their child's needs and not just in your way.
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Agreed but you are wasting your time making that valid point as this is a close-minded individual who has repeatedly demonstrated a refusal to accept any other method as having validity other than her own.
Rick
 
HHIssues said:
Now, you're saying that your speech isn't important? But you keep harping on to the parents that you were able to speak without the CI?
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Huh?

Yes, there are many of us who can speak without needing a CI.


It is not important if it is good enough to be a news announcer. That is something I don't care for.
 
rick48 said:
... I have not met any parent who viewed their decision as forcing their needs upon their child or forcing their child to adapt to their needs.

In fact, it is usually quite the opposite as their child's needs and best interests have been at the forefront of their decision. ...
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Agreed.

If you think that providing access to sound and spoken language via a CI is forcing a child to adapt to my needs, do you also argue that providing ASL immersion is forcing a child to adapt to my needs, too? Should I wait until my child is 18 before allowing her to make the choice whether or not to learn ASL instead of "forcing her", as I'm now doing?
 
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HHIssues said:
deafgal001 said:
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Nope. There ppeople who can do anything without hearing
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Why can't the "can do anything" part also apply to having better hearing and communication skills as well?
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If you don't like the quote, just cover your ears(oops turn off your hearing aid or ci) while I'll shout deaf can do anything but hear. You don't have to hear it if you don't want to hear it.
 
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