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I noticed that in many forums that welcome everyone from all other countries, Americans seem the whine the most about their government.

Canadians don't whine. The French don't whine. The British don't whine. The Europeans just seem to be ok with their government even if they don't like some policies.

Here, we got a bunch of political clowns and religious lunatics hijacking the political scene exaggerating EVERYTHING in politics - calling Obama a commie, a socialist, and birthers going nuts over the fake birth certificate... Palin.. what a fool... seriously, what's wrong with Repukes?

In other countries, gay marriage is legal. They don't care. Drugs are more liberal and they don't care. Religion - they just keep it in their home and church. Health care? Nationalized. Abortion? Legal. Taxes? Higher than Americans and they're ok with it. They vote.

Politics is more like entertainment here.
 
netrox said:
Here, we got a bunch of political clowns and religious lunatics hijacking the political scene exaggerating EVERYTHING in politics - calling Obama a commie, a socialist, and birthers going nuts over the fake birth certificate... Palin.. what a fool... seriously, what's wrong with Repukes?
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you should also mention the liberal clowns as well.
some examples:
a) post bullshit threads about a divorce.
b) "Sara Plain shoots bear cubs out of trees"
c) Gitmo brutal torture camp
d) post bullshit sources to back up their bullshit claims
the list goes on....


the bullshit is flying from both sides of the fence
 
Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans are not very politically active. We have an extremely low voter turnout compared to other countries.

This suggests many citizens are apathetic to the decision-making that goes on in the government. They may have lost faith in the government or they don't think that their vote will make a difference in their daily lives.

The people who do vote in elections may not be entirely representative of the overall population. The political process of getting elected involves a lot of money, corporate sponsorships, and lobbying.

Each step of the way, the elected representative becomes more out of 'touch' with what the vast majority of citizens really want.

Thus, there is a lack of accountability for representatives. So they may end up voting against a perfectly rational bill simply because they were 'bought out' by a corporation. Or they might support a ridiculous proposition because their political party is in favor of it. There is a certain amount of corruption going on in politics, which discourages citizens.

With the introduction of the internet, it has become much easier to spread information. The information though is in mass quantity, and not quality. So citizens end up reading 'dramatic' stories that don't have a lot of substance behind them.

Worldwide, the United States is losing ground in education, so more people miss out on learning about our country, its system of government, and why it's important to become politically active. Thus there is more ignorance in our society and we forget to constantly question everything around us.

So when a citizen reads something online, they may take it for face value and not question any of the facts behind it or whether the news source is potentially biased. Even if the story is complete bullshit, like Obama's birth certificate, it appeals to citizens' deep-rooted emotions and prejudices.

It is much easier to comment on something on the internet complaining about the proposed health care bill, than to do actual research and write a personal letter to their local congressman. I'm guilty of this.

With that said, I still think that America is a great country with so much potential to be fulfilled.
 
Glenn Beck has no common sense. He said, "Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now."

Well, last time I checked, WE voted for Obama. We voted for our state governors. We voted for our mayors. He must accept or get the hell out of this glorious country.
 
netrox said:
Canadians don't whine.
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:rofl: While this can be somewhat true, it is also very false! Americans just don't get a lot of Canadian media, whereas Canada gets a lot of American media.

Canadians do whine about politics... you just don't hear about it because American media is not interested in international politics while many other countries are. It's because American news broadcasters, such as CNN, have the belief that Americans only care about what happens in America so they put forth more efforts in getting news about what happens in the US. I'm pretty sure that they'd be surprised about the interest they might get if they put more internationally-focused stories on air.

Getting back to the "Canadians don't whine" statement. Like I said, what you said was partly true. Canadian political TV shows are usually focused in making fun of politics... it doesn't matter whether they are liberal or conservative politicians... they make fun of all of them. Canada's politics are not usually viewed very seriously and most Canadians declare their federal government representatives a "joke". It would explain why during our last federal election we had the lowest voter turn out ever.

But every so often we will get people who overanalyze situations and begin to "whine". One example, that happened just recently, would be when Prime Minister Stephen Harper went to a former governor general's funeral in New Brunswick. It was a Catholic funeral and Stephen Harper is a Protestant. It was claimed that when Stephen Harper went up to retrieve a wafer from the priest (the bread), he put it in his pocket. There was a huge debate about this... yeah I know... and it was finally resolved when eye-witnesses claimed to see him eat the wafer after he left the presence of the priest and without being within the camera's eye view. Then it was all blamed the bad journalistic skills of one particular New Brunswick newspaper. :roll:

See. :P
 
netrox said:
Glenn Beck has no common sense. He said, "Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now."

Well, last time I checked, WE voted for Obama. We voted for our state governors. We voted for our mayors. He must accept or get the hell out of this glorious country.
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We voted for Obama so now we committed treason for voting a socialist into the White House and now we must leave our country for voting for the wrong guy or risk deportation. We didn't vote for a true conservative who has been sprinkled with holy water by Rush Himself. I thought this was a free country? /end_sarcasm

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No, you missed the point. It is about all Americans. Forget the parties!

It's tiresome... I really think the fighting has to stop. Democrats blaming Republicans, and Republicans blaming Democrats as always. Just stop it. STOP IT. We need to reach across the aisle. No, not to promote a stimulus bill or pass a health care reform or pass any kind of legizlation (sp), but to save our freedom. That is the one thing -- that all Americans have supported since the beginning of time ... regardless of parties or opinions.

We need to join together now, to protect it, to save it, and this country!

That is why I agreed some of his points are. TOO BAD, NOBODY SEE EACH OTHER AS AN AMERICAN AS IF THEY COULD LESS CARE.

I'm so sick of liberals claimed they are a such "peace and tolerant" yet calling me a stupid, ignorant, and whatever they labelled me usually. A few times, liberal/Democrats told me that is my fault for everything, just cos I'm a conservative. No wonder, I see Republicans and Democrats blamed each other all the time. Just like you blamed conservatives/Republicans, and I see right wingers did the same thing, too.

... =/ so I agreed some of his POV from that link.

Think of all Americans. Not the parties...

I, too, tired of anti-Obama vs. pro-Obama "crappy wars". Whatever.

EDIT: Oh yes, that is also why I voted Bob Barr, not McCain or Obama cos people are on my nerves... NOW THIS whole parties of anti vs. pro after Obama won. It's so old and boring, sometimes. (CC Sinned, I would say same thing about you. No offense, really.)
 
netrox said:
I noticed that in many forums that welcome everyone from all other countries, Americans seem the whine the most about their government.

Canadians don't whine. The French don't whine. The British don't whine. The Europeans just seem to be ok with their government even if they don't like some policies.

Here, we got a bunch of political clowns and religious lunatics hijacking the political scene exaggerating EVERYTHING in politics - calling Obama a commie, a socialist, and birthers going nuts over the fake birth certificate... Palin.. what a fool... seriously, what's wrong with Repukes?

In other countries, gay marriage is legal. They don't care. Drugs are more liberal and they don't care. Religion - they just keep it in their home and church. Health care? Nationalized. Abortion? Legal. Taxes? Higher than Americans and they're ok with it. They vote.

Politics is more like entertainment here.
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because the system of government in Canada, France, UK, and Europe are vastly different from America. In America - things change rapidly every 4 years whereas - it is VERY slow in those countries thus people learned to get used to it and kiss their ass.

Not in here! :cool2:
 
deafskeptic said:
We voted for Obama so now we committed treason for voting a socialist into the White House and now we must leave our country for voting for the wrong guy or risk deportation. We didn't vote for a true conservative who has been sprinkled with holy water by Rush Himself. I thought this was a free country? /end_sarcasm

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Of course! You know how conservatives love to create strawmen.

So, if they say during the Bush era that people who hate Bush are traitors and ask them to leave, why not do it now... after all, we voted for Obama, isn't that what America is about?! :)
 
KarissaMann05 said:
No, you missed the point. It is about all Americans. Forget the parties!
We need to join together now, to protect it, to save it, and this country!
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No, you missed the point. AMERICA VOTED FOR OBAMA! Americans ELECTED a BLACK MAN TO RUN THIS COUNTRY! OH THE HORRORS!

Most of us have NO PROBLEM with Obama. We are satisifed with his performance, even though we're in a deep hole.

Notice that the most outspoken are the angry white men? Doesn't that say a lot? When they claim that it's not about Obama, they're lying. If McCain won, would those white men still be angry? No... they would be delirious with joy.
 
Well actually it's depends on what kind of issues we have right now and depends on what we have to talk about, if the issues this time are horrible then we will talk about horrible, but if this issues this time are good then we will talk about the good issues.

It depends on the subject.
 
I tend to think Canadians are bigger political whingers than the Americans. :p

Anyway, I don't think Americans are whiners. They are ranked as the most individualistic country in the world. That's all.
 
... So, you want to see wars of parties running on. I see.



CC Sinned - Okay. :)
 
netrox said:
No, you missed the point. AMERICA VOTED FOR OBAMA! Americans ELECTED a BLACK MAN TO RUN THIS COUNTRY! OH THE HORRORS!

Most of us have NO PROBLEM with Obama. We are satisifed with his performance, even though we're in a deep hole.

Notice that the most outspoken are the angry white men? Doesn't that say a lot? When they claim that it's not about Obama, they're lying. If McCain won, would those white men still be angry? No... they would be delirious with joy.
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Delirious? Nobody was too excited about McCain. If he had won, it would have been "cool, the lesser of two evils."

By the way, I remember a lot of angry white men being pissed off about killing the DC school voucher program- something which affects mostly poor minorities, done at the hands of Democrats and Obama, for the sake of the teachers unions. So you may want to be careful before accusing his critics of being pissed off that a black man is in office.
 
Jiro said:
because the system of government in Canada, France, UK, and Europe are vastly different from America. In America - things change rapidly every 4 years whereas - it is VERY slow in those countries thus people learned to get used to it and kiss their ass.

Not in here! :cool2:
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Canada has elections every four years as well and we are far from "ass-kissing" our prime minister. I completely agree with the statement that government systems are very different in other countries, because I know for sure that Canada runs a very different system from America. However, we are far from "ass-kissing" Stephen Harper (yes, I know I said it already, but I need to make this clear :lol:). Most people are against him and the beliefs of the Conservative Party. The only reason why he is in office is because he got in with 40% of the vote, but 3 other parties together got 60% of the vote... so his party won with the most votes... but with a very low approval of the Canadian voters. This is probably a big reason why a lot of Canadians are losing faith in their politics and don't vote.

Just wanted to clarify. :P
 
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