The "Mainstreaming" Experience: "Isolated cases"?

deafdyke said:
... Dhh identty is pretty much exactly like genderqueer identity. Genderqueer identity is basicly that the bigender roles in Western culture are a cultural artifact, andyou don't have to identify as either male or female......
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What?!
 
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Reba said:
deafdyke said:
... Dhh identty is pretty much exactly like genderqueer identity. Genderqueer identity is basicly that the bigender roles in Western culture are a cultural artifact, andyou don't have to identify as either male or female......
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What?!
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I was thinking the same thing as you Reba
 
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deafdyke said:
Botte, you missed my point. You can be Deaf and be interested in HA/CI technology, just the way you can be Hoh and identify with Deaf culture and ASL. Dhh identty is pretty much exactly like genderqueer identity. Genderqueer identity is basicly that the bigender roles in Western culture are a cultural artifact, andyou don't have to identify as either male or female......
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No, I got your point. I just think you are wrong. Ageism, Deaf opposed to deaf, low vision youth great, older low vision pathetic.

These are all recurring themes with you, and although I don't think you mean any harm at all, I think you tend to stereotype a lot.

I think you need to step back and think what you are saying. I do think you are a nice person and well meaning..
 
No, I got your point. I just think you are wrong. Ageism, Deaf opposed to deaf, low vision youth great, older low vision pathetic.
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What? No....no....that's not what I meant at all.....although I can understand how and why some people could interpret it that way. What I am saying is that the interest in a health condition support group tends to be most strong among people who were hearing/sighted/ or who were previously normally functioning. And that demographic tends to be old people, who have lost their hearing/sight/whatever due to age. (not oh ewww old people) Make sense? I mean my friend who is blind says he sees the same thing happening with senoir Sighted Health vs. a student/young adult blind/low vision group. It's not that being old =bad....It's just that old people tend to have aquirred what they see as a health problem. Not all of them. I know there are a lot of late deafened people, and even old late deafies who aren't exlcusively interested in a hearing health or whatever health condition 101 approach.
 
Bottesini said:
I have yes. And sometimes we see some come in here, too. Usually they don't stay long.
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Agreed. And we also see hearing parents who come in here who consider their deaf children to be sick. Even though they vehemently deny it covert attitude comes through loud and clear.
 
Reba said:
What?!
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What she is saying is that gender is a socially constructed concept, not an innate characteristic. You can choose to accept what society says is your role based on your sex, or you can reject it. And you do not have to be homosexual, transexual, or intersexed to make that decision.
 
And we also see hearing parents who come in here who consider their deaf children to be sick. Even though they vehemently deny it covert attitude comes through loud and clear.
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Yes, that's what their hyperfocus on therapy and oral only is about. I WILL admit for some parents, its about trying to access decent spoken language services first. Unfortunatly the really talented speech therapists tend to be attracted to the private oral programs. But a lot of it is the mentality that "Oh my child needs to be healthy and "normal" in order to function.
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Reba said:
There have been cases of children being kept isolated by force from human contact. I wouldn't call it sheltered but imprisoned. There have also been stories about feral children who weren't imprisoned but were isolated from other humans.

It certainly wouldn't be a normal existence.
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And is extremely psychologically damaging.
 
TheOracle said:
I think you misunderstood. I am talking about hearing people like me. I'm technically hoh, but I think of myself as hearing because I get along just fine. Or other people who have no hearing issues...it's hard to understand because kids of all kinds have issues in school.
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But deaf children have specific issues in school that generally are not necessary. The placement is the problem, not the deafness.
 
The placement is the problem, not the deafness.
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Yes exactly.
The educational placement is too one size fits all. As a matter of fact, that is true for many low incidence disabilties......not just deafness! But granted the majority of low incidence disabilties can be served well in a specialized resource room ( a la the sight saving classrooms of the old days or a school that has a program specificly for autisim or whatever)
 
jillio said:
But deaf children have specific issues in school that generally are not necessary. The placement is the problem, not the deafness.
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100 per cent agree. It's just that proper placement is hard to find. You can't put a kid in with deaf kids and say, "Okay, this is best for you" if the school sucks on an academic level or his a history of sexual assault or something.

I think that deaf kids can have perfectly happy normal lives in mainstream if certain things are in play. But those ifs are everywhere. :/

Also, the new wave of this next teaching generation aims to address everything that has been talked about in this thread. SPED isn't just a tiny room down the hall anymore.
 
dogmom, BecLak, normal in social psychology, is defined as norms. They are constructed by the social behavior maintained by the dominant groups in any culture. In some ways, laws are constructed by social norms. If you steal a car, more people think you should be punished for your actions or go to jail. That is a norm and laws are created off what the norms align towards.

Applies to social aspects too, to be skinny, slim women, strong muscled men with six packs, and so on. Norms are influenced by those (dominant groups) around us that keep it going.
 
naisho said:
dogmom, BecLak, normal in social psychology, is defined as norms. They are constructed by the social behavior maintained by the dominant groups in any culture. In some ways, laws are constructed by social norms. If you steal a car, more people think you should be punished for your actions or go to jail. That is a norm and laws are created off what the norms align towards.

Applies to social aspects too, to be skinny, slim women, strong muscled men with six packs, and so on. Norms are influenced by those (dominant groups) around us that keep it going.
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Social norms. It's a norm in Western culture to celebrate birthdays, get presents on Christmas, got to Prom, drive a car at 16.

As far as education goes: It's pretty much 1) kids who fall in certain testing guidelines on most subjects 2) kids who stay out of trouble for the most part 3) kids who aren't constantly bullied.
 
TheOracle said:
100 per cent agree. It's just that proper placement is hard to find. You can't put a kid in with deaf kids and say, "Okay, this is best for you" if the school sucks on an academic level or his a history of sexual assault or something.

I think that deaf kids can have perfectly happy normal lives in mainstream if certain things are in play. But those ifs are everywhere. :/

Also, the new wave of this next teaching generation aims to address everything that has been talked about in this thread. SPED isn't just a tiny room down the hall anymore.
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:hmm: Might want to spend some time perusing the forum and seeing what actual deaf individuals have to say about the mainstreaming experience. Happy and normal are not 2 words you will find used.

Given the state of education, mainstreaming is not the panacea it was believed it would be.
 
:ty: Naisho, I see what you mean about the sociological aspect of "norms" or "normal"...but it could also be a "loaded" word in mass communication. In order to have "normal" one then ends up having an "opposite" and everything is compared to the "normal" as being "standard" "healthy" "what is" etc.
 
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