The "Mainstreaming" Experience: "Isolated cases"?

shel90 said:
Language that comes to the person naturally without any barriers.
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But some kids have language disorders..?

I'm being 100 per cent honest here, so I don't need to be told that I'm spewing bs. :P
 
Shel, your 5yo is hearing, is mandarin his natural language just because he has the physical ability to hear it? even if it's not in use around him?

My 5yo is deaf, just because she has the ability to see ASL expressed doesn't mean it's her natural language. ( now, it happens to be her L1 because it was her first language and she is fully bilingual, but had we not taken steps to overcome the barriers to ASL, this wouldn't be the case.)
 
Children with dx of language disorders, such as my daughter, typically do not have natural language. Deaf children typically do not have natural language, as 90% or more are born to hearing parents.

Peter Paul, the researcher, says language cannot be directly taught - it has to be acquired. We can teach elements of language, but overall language development needs to be acquired as natural as possible.

This is why it is crucial for kids who are deaf to have the opportunity to socialize with both adults and peers. Many kids do not. Thus many fail to acquire language, regardless of which kind.
 
GrendelQ said:
Shel, your 5yo is hearing, is mandarin his natural language just because he has the physical ability to hear it? even if it's not in use around him?

My 5yo is deaf, just because she has the ability to see ASL expressed doesn't mean it's her natural language. ( now, it happens to be her L1 because it was her first language and she is fully bilingual, but had we not taken steps to overcome the barriers to ASL, this wouldn't be the case.)
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Interesting. What barriers did she have to ASL that she did not have with English. *curious*
 
GrendelQ said:
Shel, your 5yo is hearing, is mandarin his natural language just because he has the physical ability to hear it? even if it's not in use around him?

My 5yo is deaf, just because she has the ability to see ASL expressed doesn't mean it's her natural language. ( now, it happens to be her L1 because it was her first language and she is fully bilingual, but had we not taken steps to overcome the barriers to ASL, this wouldn't be the case.)
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But if he is in a spoken Mandarian environment, he would be able to have access to it while I wont due to my deafness. Get it?
 
My daughter did not have speech as her first language. I would say it was all pointing, grunting and then a form of "home sign" as we did not know any sign language. After she was 2, we finally got down to some kind of speech, but still nothing to understand. She was 7 before speaking so someone could understand and 9 before she could read a simple sentence, 11 before reading a simple chapter book. Her speech still could use a lot of help, but SSDI dropped her due to a 75% understandability of her speech. She has since been tested again, and has now a 35% understandability.
 
GrendelQ said:
Shel, your 5yo is hearing, is mandarin his natural language just because he has the physical ability to hear it? even if it's not in use around him?

My 5yo is deaf, just because she has the ability to see ASL expressed doesn't mean it's her natural language. ( now, it happens to be her L1 because it was her first language and she is fully bilingual, but had we not taken steps to overcome the barriers to ASL, this wouldn't be the case.)
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If someone is signing to her using ASL, would she have barriers to it as if someone was using spoken language with her?

I always have barriers to spoken English even though I am fluent in it. It will never be accessible to me as ASL is even though I am surrounded by both languages through the air constantly.
 
Hmmm. I see the logic and it makes sense.

I was just thinking about how kids who acquire ASL in the later years use the left side of their brains, while ASL from the get-go kids use both sides. Plus there are late deafened and HOH that struggle with ASL.
 
shel90 said:
If someone is signing to her using ASL, would she have barriers to it as if someone was using spoken language with her?

I always have barriers to spoken English even though I am fluent in it. It will never be accessible to me as ASL is even though I am surrounded by both languages through the air constantly.
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You write fluently.
 
TheOracle said:
Shel, when did you learn ASL?
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At 25 years old and became fluent around 28 to 30. For the first time in my life, I had access to what was happening around me and no more guessing games like I do with spoken English.
 
deafbajagal said:
Has she been diagnosed with a specific disorder?
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If you are speaking of my daughter, her only final diagnosis is speech and language delays. They do say that her speech is related to the hearing problem she has. Nothing is clear. She can hear the full range of sounds, but they are not clear. She used to say "fuzzy" to describe it, but lately she says it's like talking underwater. The only way I can explain it is almost being like the adult "voices" in a Charlie Brown show.
 
shel90 said:
At 25 years old and became fluent around 28 to 30. For the first time in my life, I had access to what was happening around me and no more guessing games like I do with spoken English.
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Yeah, that's why I asked how could you learn ASL without knowing English...and then baja said it wasn't necessary. I know it's not necessary to know one without the other, but it is necessary to learn an L1. :)

btw if I were deaf, my eyes would bleed trying to keep up with oral English. bleh.
 
KristinaB said:
If you are speaking of my daughter, her only final diagnosis is speech and language delays. They do say that her speech is related to the hearing problem she has. Nothing is clear. She can hear the full range of sounds, but they are not clear. She used to say "fuzzy" to describe it, but lately she says it's like talking underwater. The only way I can explain it is almost being like the adult "voices" in a Charlie Brown show.
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My sister says her hearing is the same way as the way your daughter describes it.
 
shel90 said:
But if he is in a spoken Mandarian environment, he would be able to have access to it while I wont due to my deafness. Get it?
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Yes, but my daughter does have access to it. Some do.
 
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