The "Mainstreaming" Experience: "Isolated cases"?

TheOracle said:
and if deaf schools don't take kids who are on grade level...damn.
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Yes, deaf schools do take kids who are on grade level but what DBJ meant was that if a deaf child is performing on grade level, he/she will remain mainstreamed event if their socio/emotional well-being is being compromised (happened to me) sowhen a child is unable to keep up, the deaf schools are usually used as a last resort to "fix" the mess the mainstreaming programs made. That is very unfair for both the child and the deaf schools.
 
shel90 said:
Where did you get that information? It is inaccurate.
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From what baja said. I was musing on what she just said...

anyway

imho what you need is a class action lawsuit against a school district that forces the courts to declare a constitutional right to learn one's own natural language.

THAT is a game changer.
 
TheOracle said:
From what baja said. I was musing on what she just said...

anyway

imho what you need is a class action lawsuit against a school district that forces the courts to declare a constitutional right to learn one's own natural language.

THAT is a game changer.
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I responded to your post before reading DBG's posts so pls disgregard what I said...I edited it.

Yes, we would need that ...however, the jerks from AGBad and the medical field will probably countersue and use CIs as a reason not to expose children to ASL saying that it is not a "natural" language for deaf children.
 
shel90 said:
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Yes, deaf schools do take kids who are on grade level but what DBJ meant was that if a deaf child is performing on grade level, he/she will remain mainstreamed event if their socio/emotional well-being is being compromised (happened to me) sowhen a child is unable to keep up, the deaf schools are usually used as a last resort to "fix" the mess the mainstreaming programs made. That is very unfair for both the child and the deaf schools.
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that makes more sense. :)
 
shel90 said:
I responded to your post before reading DBG's posts so pls disgregard what I said...I edited it.

Yes, we would need that ...however, the jerks from AGBad and the medical field will probably countersue and use CIs as a reason not to expose children to ASL saying that it is not a "natural" language for deaf children.
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You can't counter-sue in a lawsuit against a school district. :)

Is there a deaf issues legal fund?
 
RIT - NTID - News - Deaf Education: A New Philosophy

Recent research findings show:

  • The deaf students who perform best academically usually are the ones whose parents have effectively communicated with them from an early age.
  • Children who sign early on generally outperform those who do not sign during their early school years.
  • Early language skills-both American Sign Language and spoken language- correlate with reading ability, with no evidence that one is necessarily better than the other.
  • Most deaf students' difficulties in reading are mirrored by difficulties in understanding sign language.
  • Deaf and hard-of-hearing children entering school often are lagging behind hearing children in their knowledge of the world, number concepts, and problem-solving skills, not just in language.
  • Deaf students do not always learn, think, or know in the same ways as hearing children.
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TheOracle said:
You can't counter-sue in a lawsuit against a school district. :)

Is there a deaf issues legal fund?
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or bring up a lawsuit against the group who has brought up the lawsuit. What we need are the hearing parents advocating for ASL. Too many of them are very ignorant about ASL, language development, and deaf idenity/culture.
 
I wish I could open up a school for Deaf students and Spanish-speaking ESL kids. I'm serious. I'm inclined to think it would be a success. Can someone give me several million dollars?

"Mainstreamed teachers think that if they remove the communication barriers they can teach their deaf kids as though they are hearing kids. Now that we've discovered some of the differences in how deaf and hard-of-hearing students learn, we want to know how to turn that knowledge into more effective teaching strategies. We're in a position to educate parents and mainstream teachers about how these kids are different. Using the memory example, given their difficulties of retaining sequences, if you arrange material visually and spatially, deaf kids would do better."
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shel90 said:
or bring up a lawsuit against the group who has brought up the lawsuit. What we need are the hearing parents advocating for ASL. Too many of them are very ignorant about ASL, language development, and deaf idenity/culture.
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you can't bring up a lawsuit for a group bringing a lawsuit. what is happening now is that the 'audists' have the $ and the 'deafies' don't, so they get the message to parents, universities, and government.

f it. there's legal ground to stand on.

sorry my typing is all crappy. i owwied my finger. :(
 
shel90 said:
or bring up a lawsuit against the group who has brought up the lawsuit. What we need are the hearing parents advocating for ASL. Too many of them are very ignorant about ASL, language development, and deaf idenity/culture.
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i think what pfh et al is trying to do through social media is awesome. the "Hear And Now" documentary is what really made me think about CI issues.
 
Is it okay for a teacher to not ever talk to a child, day in and day out? No, it's not. But many deaf kids endure it.

Is it okay for deaf kids to have incompetent interpreters, whereas they are only getting less than 60% of access to instruction based on the interpreter's low qualifications. Many states allow this to happen as they do not have mandates in place or have high standards for educational interpreters.

Is it okay for the child to eat lunch alone or play with his peers with no access to direct communication because the school doesn't think an interpreter is needed outside of instructional time? Many people seems to be okay with this.

Is it okay for deaf children to gradually become more and more socially impaired as they have less opportunities for social interaction to develop social skills.

It's not okay. It's not. There's more to school than reading, writing, and doing math. Standardized assessment scores are a crock of peas.

At this present time, ASL is not respected as being equal to English. If it were, we would have tons of data on how well the students are doing with ASL. If we did, I bet you that many of our deaf students who are exposed to ASL from a young age excel as much, if not higher, at their language as their hearing counterparts do with English.

The whole "it's a hearing world and you gotta learn English" cliche doesn't fly with me. Our society is now so accustomed to making Spanish accessible to people (hell, half the time I have to look hard for the English translation in my hometown), that there's no reason they can't do the same for ASL. Yet ASL isn't respected as language in this so-called mainstreamed society.

Read across the board. Many, many deaf adults share my view about mainstreaming education. It seems like the hearing people are the ones with the listening problem. ;)
 
shel90 said:
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Yes, deaf schools do take kids who are on grade level but what DBJ meant was that if a deaf child is performing on grade level, he/she will remain mainstreamed event if their socio/emotional well-being is being compromised (happened to me) sowhen a child is unable to keep up, the deaf schools are usually used as a last resort to "fix" the mess the mainstreaming programs made. That is very unfair for both the child and the deaf schools.
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Thanks for clarifying - that is exactly what I meant.
 
Originally Posted by TheOracle
Okay, well, I'm sorry if you think mainstreaming is child abuse. Plenty of people in this thread are guilty then.
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I think it would be more accurate to say plenty of people are victims in this thread.
 
Bottesini said:
I think it would be more accurate to say plenty of people are victims in this thread.
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Thank you.

:)

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I do not want to get into another pointless argument about how someone thinks I'm an audist because I ask questions. But I will say this: call me an intellectual snob all you want - there is something to be said for early language acquisition.

What baja said and the study I posted largely agree.

take as ye will !

edit - i see pfh posted the same article already. d'oh.
 
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