The Last Verdict: The Final Judgment Part 2

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But the words of the scripture teaches me that the coming of the Son of man will be seen on the Day of Judgment. Not only the righteous will see Him, but even His enemies shall see Him as The wicked nations of the earth are sorry and angry to see the Son of Man set up a government of justice and peace over this, their wicked world. They see signs in the heavens of great power to execute judgment on the world of the wicked, and they mourn.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then shall all of the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." [Matt.24:30]

and

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." [Rev.1:7]

He is then son of man/ the real man. Him is the son of man since the word became the flesh among them and judge among them.


the word of God is the flesh among you.
 
Let's get back on topic. It's pointless to keep arguing about that link I posted. Just drop it and move on. :ty:
 
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1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe, they will follow lying spirits and teachings that comes from demons."
 
1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe, they will follow lying spirits and teachings that comes from demons."
Wow, so beautial quote!.. Because of Jude 5-6, 15. :P
 
But there is still something wrong with the word "false"...
Is the word "false" false?

The Bible has many warnings about false and deceitful teachings and prophets. God has to use strong language because it's a serious danger.
 
But there is still something wrong with the word "false"...

Logical

Originally Posted by Cheri
Then you should read your old post Evolution vs Creationism and many times you agree with Liebling's posts and she believes in Evolution.

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*sigh* You only link me to one of my post from that thread, not other my posts that I agree with Liebling, but anyway let me explain.

Cheri,

Excuse me, I never said that I beleive in Evolution. I takes both sides between Evolution and Creationism. It doesn´t mean that I beleive in Evolution 100% when I depend on Evolution more than Creationism because of reality and logic. I do not beleive in Evolution 100% YET... but my feeling tells me that Evolution is logic and reality, that´s all.



You see, I was talking about my theory about how we exist, but never said that it was the truth, it's just that all I see is that we can't exist without any or one of the water, fire, earth, and air, and that's how we live.

Finally, here, I said we envoluted with the enlightment, which I didn't mean exactly the word "envolution", but "grow that way with the brain". Also see my last sentence, I only said that the afterlife was a faith for all of us, which doesn't mean I have to believe it, JMO.



Exactly!!!
 
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Is the word "false" false?

The Bible has many warnings about false and deceitful teachings and prophets. God has to use strong language because it's a serious danger.

Not surprised that bible tend to mention to another religions...


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Cheri,

Excuse me, I never said that I beleive in Evolution. I takes both sides between Evolution and Creationism. It doesn´t mean that I beleive in Evolution 100% when I depend on Evolution more than Creationism because of reality and logic. I do not beleive in Evolution 100% YET... but my feeling tells me that Evolution is logic and reality, that´s all.

That is where I agree with Lieblinng ;)

Exactly!!!
 
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Is Hell real?

Is Hell Real? - Why Was It Created?

The question of why hell exists has perplexed many people through the ages. Countless have asked, "If God is so good, why would He create a place like hell?" This is similar to asking, "If our government is so good, why would it create prisons?" The answer seems simple enough - places like hell and prisons exist because some people will choose to do the wrong thing, and because of that, they need to be punished. It is fairly easy to understand how this reasoning applies to the existence of prisons, but does it really pertain to hell as well?

In the biblical Creation account found in the book of Genesis, no mention is made of a place called hell. Everything that God made during the time of Creation was good. However, the Bible tells us in Matthew 25:41 that hell was later prepared for "the devil and his angels" (see also Isaiah 14:12). God did not create hell for man; it was never His intention that any man or woman should go to hell. In 2 Peter 3:9, we learn that God does not want "anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

We know this from many verses in the Bible, several of them spoken by Jesus, Himself; and we know that the wicked and unrighteous will go there when they die. So once again, we are back to the main point that God is good, and life in hell is terrible, so why would God create such a place? Even though hell was initially created to hold Satan and the angels that fell with him, there will also be men and women in hell.


Hell is a place of eternal separation from God, and people go there when they die because they chose to separate themselves from God while living on earth. God created us with the free will to make our own choices, and separating ourselves from God is one of the choices we are free to make. Our free will is a wonderful gift from God in that He does not force us to love Him or to follow Him. Without our free will, we would be nothing but puppets or robots, which does not please God, and certainly does nothing to better our lives.

While God desires that everyone would choose to love Him, some people will choose not to. These people will die in their sins and be separated from God forever in hell. Many would say that this is unfair, and that a loving God would never set up a system such as this; however, it is precisely God's love for us, and the fact that He is perfectly just, that tells us why hell exists, and why men and women will choose to go there. God loves us so much that He respects our freedom of choice. If we choose not to love Him, then why would He want to force us to live with Him eternally in heaven? Wouldn't living for eternity with someone we don't love be hell anyway? God wants to spare those people who don't love Him from having to live with Him and be under His rule for eternity

The question, "Is hell real?" is answered "no" by a lot of people. These people would like to believe that when we die, we don't go to a heaven or a hell, we simply cease to exist. However, wouldn't a God who sends us into nonexistence at death be just as "cruel" as one who allows us to freely choose our own destiny, which could be hell? Even atheist Friedrich Nietzsche said that he would rather choose eternally conscious suffering than nonexistence.

God's perfect justice also demands that there be a hell to punish the unrepentant and wicked among us. As Walter Martin said about the existence of hell and eternal punishment in his book, The Kingdom of the Cults, "They make much to-do about God being Love but forget that because He is Love, He is also Justice and must require infinite vengeance upon anyone who treads underfoot the precious blood of Christ, who is the Lamb slain for lost sinners from the foundation of the world."

What kind of a loving God would He be if the wicked were never punished? Why would He have sent His Son to die for our sins, if we could reject that redemption and not eventually pay the price? What incentive would we have to do good and love God if we knew we could reject His Son and choose to do evil all of our lives and never be punished? We would not want this lack of justice in the streets of our cities and towns, so why do we expect God to mete it out in the overall universe?
 
That's fine, I got nothing to lose either way, You got something to lose for not believing. :)

Even if hell exist, I would like to believe that God would not cast non-believers to hell... If this is the case, then I would not want to be with God, because the human race is made up of good and bad people regardless of race and/or religious belief.

You can say, "well, it is their fault for not worshiping God, reading the bible, etc". But, then you have to ask yourself, what would happen if you were born and raised to a non-Christian family? Would you deserve to go to hell?
 
Even if hell exist, I would like to believe that God would not cast non-believers to hell... If this is the case, then I would not want to be with God

You chosen that choice, not us and not God either.

You can say, "well, it is their fault for not worshiping God, reading the bible, etc".

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. We are all sinners, in order to be saved is to repent your sins how hard can that be? Just admit you are wrong for doing what you chosen to do in your life. If you think you are perfect, then you are mistaken. Nobody on this earth is perfect.

Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." to be saved is to accept Jesus in your heart, after all he die for you, are you gonna turned your back on Him?


But, then you have to ask yourself, what would happen if you were born and raised to a non-Christian family? Would you deserve to go to hell?[

If I did not repent my sins and did not accepted Jesus in my heart, and believe that Jesus is not the Son of God who died for my sins. Then yes, I do deserved to rot in hell, I'm guilty for my own sins. If I chosen to be selfish and think nothing I did was wrong, It'll make me a coward.

Romans 5:8, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

All it takes is to admit that you are a guilty sinner under the condemnation of God's law, to believe that Jesus is the Son of God (God in the flesh) who died upon the cross, sacrificing His precious blood to pay for your sins. Then you'll be saved. You don't to have a religious to believe, just Jesus. That's all it takes.
 
...You can say, "well, it is their fault for not worshiping God, reading the bible, etc". But, then you have to ask yourself, what would happen if you were born and raised to a non-Christian family? Would you deserve to go to hell?
Neither Hubby nor I were born or raised in Christian families. We became Christians as our own decisions. Our Pastor wasn't born or raised in a Christian home. Many of the members of our church were not born or raised in Christian homes. A person doesn't inherit righteousness from parents. Righteousness comes only from repenting and accepting the Savior.
 
Even if hell exist, I would like to believe that God would not cast non-believers to hell... If this is the case, then I would not want to be with God, because the human race is made up of good and bad people regardless of race and/or religious belief.

You can say, "well, it is their fault for not worshiping God, reading the bible, etc". But, then you have to ask yourself, what would happen if you were born and raised to a non-Christian family? Would you deserve to go to hell?

And add my post to your post.

Look at people who have different beleifs and beleive in differently. What about them? Do they goes hell because they worship differently and think their god, gods and God are true? Many people have different beliefs and traditions due their cultural background. It doesn't mean that they go hell because they thought their beliefs are true.

It's illogical to beleive Hell...

 
And add my post to your post.

Look at people who have different beleifs and beleive in differently. What about them? Do they goes hell because they worship differently and think their god, gods and God are true? Many people have different beliefs and traditions due their cultural background. It doesn't mean that they go hell because they thought their beliefs are true.

It's illogical to beleive Hell...


It's their own fault because why would you want to follow rules imposed by others, instead of God?

They have a freedom of religion, if they chosen to believe in a religion that practices gods. People can be very sincere in what they believe, but they can also be sincerely wrong.

God already mention there is One God, people ignored, people rejected. Many religions have absolutely opposing views of what God is really like, so they focus themselves in the gods and goddesses.

This isn't about Christianity, It's isn't about what religion anyone believes in, It's simple, we need a relationship with the living God. We don't need a religion, because Jesus did not have one. it's not requirement. There is only one path, a path to God. (Jesus) :)
 
Neither Hubby nor I were born or raised in Christian families. We became Christians as our own decisions. Our Pastor wasn't born or raised in a Christian home. Many of the members of our church were not born or raised in Christian homes. A person doesn't inherit righteousness from parents. Righteousness comes only from repenting and accepting the Savior.

Just a quick reply before I go to bed..:)

Fortunately, you live in a free, developed country, which makes it easy for you to choose your own belief. But, what about if you were born and raised in an Amazon tribe? Are those people going to go to hell? Do they deserve to a judged differently due to their environment, etc? I like to think not. They are still children of God even though they have never heard of Jesus or think of God in the same manner as most of us.
 
It's their own fault because why would you want to follow rules imposed by others, instead of God?

They have a freedom of religion, if they chosen to believe in a religion that practices gods. People can be very sincere in what they believe, but they can also be sincerely wrong.

God already mention there is One God, people ignored, people rejected. Many religions have absolutely opposing views of what God is really like, so they focus themselves in the gods and goddesses.

How do they know that their belief is true or not? It's not their fault to beleive their belief to God, gods or whatever is true due their different Tradition of cultural background. The influence is the blame how they raise to beleive in like this.


This isn't about Christianity, It's isn't about what religion anyone believes in, It's simple, we need a relationship with the living God. We don't need a religion, because Jesus did not have one. it's not requirement. There is only one path, a path to God. (Jesus) :)

Unfortunlately yes, you have a religion is Christianity. You decide for Christianity because you feeling in your heart that your Christianity Bible is true and beleive there're only one God like what everyone decides for different religion and think their Bible are true.

I don't have any religion to choose but neutral to any religions and read any bibles because I know God and Jesus don't have religion.
 
Just a quick reply before I go to bed..:)

Fortunately, you live in a free, developed country, which makes it easy for you to choose your own belief. But, what about if you were born and raised in an Amazon tribe? Are those people going to go to hell? Do they deserve to a judged differently due to their environment, etc? I like to think not. They are still children of God even though they have never heard of Jesus or think of God in the same manner as most of us.

*nodding agreement*
 
Just a quick reply before I go to bed..:)

Fortunately, you live in a free, developed country, which makes it easy for you to choose your own belief. But, what about if you were born and raised in an Amazon tribe? Are those people going to go to hell? Do they deserve to a judged differently due to their environment, etc? I like to think not. They are still children of God even though they have never heard of Jesus or think of God in the same manner as most of us.

All children would be saved automatically those who never heard of Jesus or God beyond their incapability minds.

God knows our hearts, our minds, our thoughts, God knows all that we have done and God understands the challenges we face too.
 
Century Gothic"]Unfortunlately yes, you have a religion is Christianity. You decide for Christianity because you feeling in your heart that your Christianity Bible is true and beleive there're only one God like what everyone decides for different religion and think their Bible are true.

Instead of making assumption why don't you ask me why I chosen Christianity religion. I chosen Christianity religious because they're going in the right direction, They believe in the same things I believe, for one they believe the bible is the Word of God, They trusted the bible, They believe God is Creator of the universe. I could go on and on. :)

My bible does not stated for Christianity only. My bible stated "The Holy Bible,
the New International Version Bible. I choose this bible because I understand it. there is no "best" bible although maybe a bible best for each person. People can chose which ever bible to read and study without being confuse.
 
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