The incredible shrinking president

[kokonut]

What's interestng in the recent link I put out (washingtonpost.com ) was written by Dana Milbank for the Washington Post ("WaPo") is a noted Democrat and over the last few months his articles have become a bit more pessimistic about Obama.
site:www.washingtonpost.com "dana milbank" obama - Google Search

Not surprising. With the MSM known to give wider and staunchier support for a Democrat president and when they start to turn on a Democrat president then you know things are starting to go downhill for Obama.

Like the recent speech on the war on Afghanistan where the NYTimes makes an honest interpretation on what Obama trying to say was that his heart wasn't into the war but a speech, if you read between the line, is a set up for a quick exit strategy and not a win.

New York Times over the last week on Obama:
obama site:nytimes.com - Google Search

Of course, you'd get this ironic article like this one recently, "Obama’s Logic Is No Match for Afghanistan" when it took Obama a slow several months worth of stone-walling to decide on what to do about the troops in Afghanistan putting their lives at risk and seeing their morale go down. Not the mark of a decisive president when a war is already engaged. And further more, if you quickly click on the NYTimes link you might see a cartoon on the left of that article that pretty much sums it up. I captured it and here is what it showed on where his heart lies and his conviction about his own troops.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/12/05/opinion/06blitt_ready.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/opinion/06rich.html

If not that how about his refusal to not have his picture taken with his troops with a F-22 fighter jet behind him? Talk about petty.

When President Obama spoke to troops at Alaska’s Elmendorf Air Force Base last month, the unit there parked a shiny new F-22 fighter plane in the hanger[sic]. But according to multiple sources, White House aides demanded the plane be changed to an older F-15 fighter because they didn’t want Obama speaking in front of the F-22, a controversial program he fought hard to end.

“White House aides actually made them remove the F-22-said they would not allow POTUS to be pictured with the F-22 in any way, shape, or form,” one source close to the unit relayed.

Stephen Lee, a public affairs officer at Elmendorf, confirmed to The Cable that the F-22 was parked in the hanger[sic] and then was replaced by an F-15 at the White House’s behest.

The airmen there took offense to the Obama aides’ demand, sources told The Cable, seeing it as a slight to the folks who are operating the F-22 proudly every day. They also expressed bewilderment that the White House staff would even care so much as to make an issue out of the fact that the F-22 was placed in the hanger [sic] with the president.

Exclusive: White House aides insisted F-22 be removed from Obama speech venue | The Cable

His heart is not even in the military and you wonder why the cadets at West Point gave him a cool reception? Even they know it. Thus the amazing shrinking President continiues.

 

[Jiro]

What's interestng in the recent link I put out (washingtonpost.com ) was written by Dana Milbank for the Washington Post ("WaPo") is a noted Democrat and over the last few months his articles have become a bit more pessimistic about Obama.
site:www.washingtonpost.com "dana milbank" obama - Google Search

Not surprising. With the MSM known to give wider and staunchier support for a Democrat president and when they start to turn on a Democrat president then you know things are starting to go downhill for Obama.

Like the recent speech on the war on Afghanistan where the NYTimes makes an honest interpretation on what Obama trying to say was that his heart wasn't into the war but a speech, if you read between the line, is a set up for a quick exit strategy and not a win.

New York Times over the last week on Obama:
obama site:nytimes.com - Google Search

Of course, you'd get this ironic article like this one recently, "Obama’s Logic Is No Match for Afghanistan" when it took Obama a slow several months worth of stone-walling to decide on what to do about the troops in Afghanistan putting their lives at risk and seeing their morale go down. Not a mark of a decisive president when a war is already engaged. And further more, if you quickly click on the NYTimes link you might see a cartoon on the left of that article that pretty much sums it up. I captured it and here is what it showed on where his heart lies and his conviction about his own troops.

Opinion > Image >
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/opinion/06rich.html

If not that how about his refusal to not have his picture taken with his troops with a F-22 fighter jet behind him? Talk about petty.




Exclusive: White House aides insisted F-22 be removed from Obama speech venue | The Cable

His heart is not even in the military and you wonder why the cadets at West Point gave him a cool reception? Even they know it. Thus the amazing shrinking President continiues.

But.... you've been constantly complaining about $1.4 trillion debt. You should be happy that Obama Administration discontinued billion-dollars F-22 program. It's completely unnecessary since the entire world is not even close to USA's military power and military technology. We should be fine for another 20 years. Most of rogue nations hostile to America are still using Cold War-era military technology. You should be happy that Obama Administration turned down the offer to build entirely new Presidential fleets.

 

[Jiro]

Money Facts
F-22 Raptor costs approximately $200 million each.
Total amount spent in F-22 program is $65 billion or more.
Maintenance & Operating cost of F-22 is more than 5x the cost of running F-15. Do the math and you know Obama did the right move. Tell me that's not fiscally responsible of them to discard unnecessarily expensive F-22 program.

Wondering why we're losing jobs and our debts are increasing? here's one of reasons why -

Pentagon Pushes Weapon Cuts - New Focus on Unconventional Conflicts; Defense Contractors Gird for Political Battle

Mr. Gates's proposed baseline 2010 Defense Department budget of $534 billion is up 4% from last year. But it signals a major departure from business as usual at the Pentagon, with a heavy emphasis on overhauling a procurement process that he and congressional leaders have decried as being too heavily influenced by powerful contractors.

Mr. Gates's proposed shake-up is expected to stoke debate about the importance of weapons-manufacturing jobs and appears to mark a turning point for an industry that enjoyed record business during the Bush administration.

Mr. Gates also said he intended to cancel the Lockheed-led effort to build a new fleet of Marine One helicopters for the president.

Finmeccanica's AgustaWestland is a partner on that program, which had called for heavily modifying a US101 helicopter into a flying limousine. Mr. Gates said he decided to cancel the program because costs doubled to more than $13 billion and the schedule slipped to six years overdue. Finmeccanica said in a statement that the move would have no impact on the company's financial guidance and is in no way related to the technical characteristics of the helicopter."

Beyond military hardware, Mr. Gates said the Pentagon plans a 5% increase in the number of special operations forces, or 2,800 people. He called for plans to recruit more cyber-warfare experts, and to add Army helicopter pilots and maintenance crews, in a move that will help support operations in Afghanistan.

He is moving into right step. End the greed enjoyed by war profiteers under Bush Administration. Spend less on military hardware, more on personnel. Obama's heart is in our 100%-volunteer military, not private defense contractors.

 

[Jiro]

His heart is not even in the military and you wonder why the cadets at West Point gave him a cool reception? Even they know it. Thus the amazing shrinking President continiues.

I find your comment extraordinary offensive and unpatriotic. You complained in other forum about us dissing your family members in military (even though we never did so)? Guess what? you just blatantly disrespected your family members in military. Despite of political differences, these fine men in uniforms respect President Obama as their Commander-in-Chief and they salute to him. They're entrusting their lives on his hands and Obama knows this heavy burden better than you will ever understand.

Please leave your military family members and soldiers out of your agenda. It's unpatriotic and disgusting of you to use them in the name of kokonut pundits.

UNREAL. :roll:

 

[Jiro]

At military school, Obama's Afghan policy is personal

"No matter what I think, I got to do what he says," said Mickel McGann, an 18-year-old from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, who was sent here by the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy to boost his academics a bit before it will admit him. "If he says, 'jump,' you just say, 'how high?' "

In conversations with five "cadet preps" -- students here for a year preparing for a military academy -- all said they watched the president's speech and listened closely. None said their desire to attend a military academy and enter the armed forces was diminished in any way by the stark reality that they could end up a part of the ongoing missions to Iraq and Afghanistan. But all five acknowledged some friends or family members had questioned their judgment.

"I go home and get questioned all the time," said Stephen Reardon of Dracut, Massachusetts, who could end up in a support role for the wartime missions if he gets his wish and leaves the Air Force Academy on the pilot track. " 'Why do you do it? Why would you do it?' I know if I don't go, someone else is going to have to go in my place. And it would just make me feel better if I am there and knowing that I am leading people."

Huntsman, plenty old enough to remember his father's campaigns -- and his campaigning for other Republicans -- says that despite his skepticism about the timeline, Obama deserves credit for settling on a policy full of political risks.

"It's risky, but for the better of the country -- not for the better of his party."

Huntsman has an appointment to the Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, as long as he has a strong academic year at NMMI. He hopes to be accepted to the Navy Special Warfare program and says that if the war drags on, he would he happy to serve in combat.

"If you're in the special forces, you train, you do train to be in those parts of the world in times of war. ... I want to be there, right beside them."

what a fine fine fine men and women in service - despite of political difference. So what's this about questioning Obama's birth certificate, accusing about Obama of not having his heart in military, and Obama's lame duck plan for our soldiers?

I thought you would understand this kind of dedication and pride since you used to be forest firefighter :roll:

 

[Reba]

how can we listen to a person with history of bigotry, racism, and dishonesty?

You DON'T need to listen to him, or anyone else whom you don't find credible.

beside - his debating style is one-way.

So? That doesn't prohibit you from making topical rebuttals. Unlike live debates, we aren't restricted by time limits or turn-taking formats

 

[Jiro]

You DON'T need to listen to him, or anyone else whom you don't find credible.

That's right. I don't need to listen to him like I do for Limbaugh and Beck but do you need to defend a bigoted liar? Yes some of his concerns were reasonable but his arguments are not. You merely defended his concerns because you share same same concern so I understand that.

So? That doesn't prohibit you from making topical rebuttals. Unlike live debates, we aren't restricted by time limits or turn-taking formats

That's right. He is free to say anything he wants and I'm free to say anything I want. the difference is - mine's usually more constructive and productive than his since I do 2-ways debate. Not him.

 

[Cowpuppy]

Afghan surge strategy is tied to conditions on the ground. Someone tried to lie about it again and call it something else. There is no definite exit date.
Also, in times of economic difficulties, presidential ratings go down.....this was inherited. Someone trying to lie again and call it something else. And trying to ignore economy effect on popularity. Also, as wars drag on people tend to change beliefs in it. How is one to decide if popularity reduction is due to voters not wanting a surge or voters wanting to stay or voters not wanting exit tied to surge or voters wanting a tougher war strategy, etc. But someone wants to only use one point of view. The point of view of someone who puts a slant on anything can possibly find...to suit thier need. People become disillusioned with war from different perspectives. Like ya can't please everyone all the time. It's a natural thing in politics. Even with bush people became more confident of Iraq and decided it was time for new view. Rather than looking at bush success they simply wanted to move on. Natural progression of politics.....but someone wants to call it something else again...to suit thier need. One eyed slanted view of all articles found. No depth of thinking.

 

[kokonut]

Well, they were so confident that getting the Stimulus Package of almost $800 billion dollars out claiming it would help stave off unemployment rate from reaching beyond the 8% mark by October/November. And said it was an emergency to get this bill out as quickly as possible to get the money out. As a result, unemployment went up as high as 10.2%. What's more they did not use all of the money right away where they have only spent about 20% of the total amount which sure doesn't sound like an emergency move by Obama and Congress. That's $160 billion dollars in 8 months or $20 billion dollars a month, the equivalent of $65 dollars for every man, woman and child in the U.S. each month. The bulk of the Stimulus Package won't be spent until in 2010, specifically designed to come close to the 2010 election. Their move backfired. Nor did it really help. And now they want to have a $300 billion dollar job bill?? Wasn't that the idea behind this 2nd stimulus package for Obama to help "create jobs" (but instead we lost a lot more than that)?

Job proposals from Democrats could add $300 billion in new federal spending - TheHill.com

 

[Cowpuppy]

Third line....at right side ...quote "As a result...." So you are blaming the uptick in unemployment on stimulus?????? Where are you getting this information??? Oh...perhaps it's one of your rabbit tricks again...trying to slide mis-information into your stories and assuming we will all be tricked.
For your info...much of monies borrowed to banks in stimulus has been paid back and being paid. All your freakout talk about taxpayer taking the hit gone out the window. Things are leveling out...that was the only intention....not to make everything hunky dory in your eyes.
Try viewing world in optomistic eyes for once. Tough times are part of life. Quit your bitchin.

 

[kokonut]

Well, it certainly didn't do anything to help lower the unemployment rate by this time October/November period in their estimate saying it wouldn't go higher than 8%. The result turned out differently, it went higher than the 8% projected and into the 10% territory instead. Secondly, what doesn't help businesses if they keep hearing how taxes on their business will be going up do they want to hire or even expand their businesses. And companies with the wherewithal to move their businesses overseas will do so.

From manufacturing news:

Emerson Electric Votes With Its Feet, Saying The Goverment Is Destoying American Manufacturing

The federal government is “doing everything in [its] manpower [and] capability to destroy U.S. manufacturing,” says David Farr, chairman and CEO of Emerson Electric Co., in a presentation at the Baird 2009 Industrial Conference in Chicago Ill., on Nov. 11. In comments reported by Bloomberg, Farr added that companies will continue adding jobs in China and India because they are “places where people want the products and where the governments welcome you to actually do something. I am not going to hire anybody in the United States. I’m moving. They are doing everything possible to destroy jobs.”

In his Powerpoint presentation available on the Emerson Electric Web site, Farr notes that the federal government is damaging prospects for U.S. economic growth with a $1.41 trillion federal deficit (10 percent of GDP); $12 trillion in government debt that will grow to $20 trillion in 10 years; a policy of printing money; a "non-targeted $800-billion stimulus"; bailouts for Wall Street and the automobile companies; the prospect for cap and trade legislation; a "government takeover" of health care to the tune of more than $1 trillion; increasing taxes and regulations; and a "lack of U.S. $ support" for manufacturing. The global stimulus "soon will fade," says Farr.

Emerson Electric Votes With Its Feet, Saying The Goverment Is Destoying American Manufacturing

And you want to talk about recession?

The current recession has been destructive and the United States will have a hard time recovering, says Farr. U.S. job losses of 7.3 million to date are only slightly less than the total of the last four recessions combined (8 million).

Let me tally it up for you.
1980 with 1.0 million jobs lost;
1982 with 2.8 million;
1990 with 1.5 million;
2001 with 2.7 million.

With Emerson taking a clue will move their company overseas after losing several billion dollars to more friendly and receptive govts in another country.

So, what's the bottom line in helping cause this? The govt's interference. What else? Didn't you know?

 

[jillio]

That's right. I don't need to listen to him like I do for Limbaugh and Beck but do you need to defend a bigoted liar? Yes some of his concerns were reasonable but his arguments are not. You merely defended his concerns because you share same same concern so I understand that.


That's right. He is free to say anything he wants and I'm free to say anything I want. the difference is - mine's usually more constructive and productive than his since I do 2-ways debate. Not him.

Don't be concerned, Jiro. He lost all of his credibility some time ago when he was caught in lies and dishonesty. He has been proven wrong so many times that no one gives anything he has to say any credibility at all. And he did it to himself.

All that is necessary from here on out is to point out his lies and dishonesty. Everyone already knows to take it for what it is.

 

[kokonut]

did ya'll see that? Obama's popularity continues to crater...implodes further.


http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/72938-obamas-polls-continue-crater-implodes-further.html

What did I tell ya? Obama's job approval continues to shrink. The incredible shrinking prezy.

 

[Foxrac]

did ya'll see that? Obama's popularity continues to crater...implodes further.


http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/72938-obamas-polls-continue-crater-implodes-further.html

What did I tell ya? Obama's job approval continues to shrink. The incredible shrinking prezy.

I'm not going listen to your post anymore and let you talk by yourself.

Go talk at wall.

 

[kokonut]

Ok. Fine. Please ignore all of my postings, my threads, and put me on ignore, and not respond at all.

Ok?

Can you do that for once?

 

[Foxrac]

Ok. Fine. Please ignore all of my postings, my threads, and put me on ignore, and not respond at all.

Ok?

Can you do that for once?

You need stop to being bullshitting at me.

I'm sure that many of them don't want either so you need keep your mouth so hush up.

 

[saywhatkid]

You need stop to being bullshitting at me.

I'm sure that many of them don't want either so you need keep your mouth so hush up.

Actually, using the ignore feature mimics being the HOH guy at family gatherings. People are talking, and I think I know what they said, so I reply....and everyone gives me that "WTF" look. I find ignore works well. Am considering other options to make it more fun.

 

[kokonut]

You need stop to being bullshitting at me.

I'm sure that many of them don't want either so you need keep your mouth so hush up.

Seriously, you do not even have to read my threads or my posts, or even bother to respond about polls showing Obama's job approval tanking.

 

[Foxrac]

Seriously, you do not even have to read my threads or my posts, or even bother to respond about polls showing Obama's job approval tanking.

I had seen too many post by you and I can't believe that no one want read or give a junk answer so it is prove that your post is worthless so you need stop, man.

 

[kokonut]

Actually, using the ignore feature mimics being the HOH guy at family gatherings. People are talking, and I think I know what they said, so I reply....and everyone gives me that "WTF" look. I find ignore works well. Am considering other options to make it more fun.

Yeah, and how you were so proud putting me on ignore by telling everybody about it. I just shrug and move on. Who am I to complain? Good luck.