A prof would never help you if you constantly told her she was wrong. You are repeating yourself, and I have replied this question twice now. Again, I never said CI is the reason the unemployment rate is soaring, you have cited an sentence that does not include that statement. But, just give me another more valid excuse, use your social skills, and I might help you getting those papers.
The Economics of Cochlear Implants and Deafness?
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A prof would never help you if you constantly told her she was wrong. You are repeating yourself, and I have replied this question twice now. Again, I never said CI is the reason the unemployment rate is soaring, you have cited an sentence that does not include that statement. But, just give me another more valid excuse, use your social skills, and I might help you getting those papers.
Yes, Owen himself have stated that he wanted acces to this kind of papers to prove some of us are wrong. Couldn't care less with this kind of requests.
First off, I have never said that I wanted papers to prove anyone wrong.
I have never said that anyone was wrong either. The most I've said is that the way that the information had been presented on this forum, to me, has been misleading.
I know I quoted a sentence that didn't say that CI was causing unemployment, but that was the way it was interpreted. As such, I wanted to read the whole paper.
I sure a prof would give me the information in order to try and support his/her stance, rather than accuse me of lacking social skills. If the persons job is to educate, they would want to help to provide all the information available.
I'll accept the fact that you won't be providing me even the author's name but unfortunately I will also be disregarding your statement involving CI's and unemployment.
I have never said that anyone was wrong either. The most I've said is that the way that the information had been presented on this forum, to me, has been misleading.
I know I quoted a sentence that didn't say that CI was causing unemployment, but that was the way it was interpreted. As such, I wanted to read the whole paper.
I sure a prof would give me the information in order to try and support his/her stance, rather than accuse me of lacking social skills. If the persons job is to educate, they would want to help to provide all the information available.
I'll accept the fact that you won't be providing me even the author's name but unfortunately I will also be disregarding your statement involving CI's and unemployment.
why do you find it limited?
CI is used as a education tool and aid to facilicate oral education. You don't need research to know that, it's stated everywhere. The unemployment rate among deaf people in denmark have risen, you don't need research to prove that. You find that in statstics and surveys. The danish deaf assocation have those numbers. Mainstream programs are on the rise. That's also statstics, not research. As said, epnions in denmark did those surveys.
I am not sure what my statement involving CI's and unemployment looks like, that you will be disregarding, is all about. It perhaps don't matter as you have disregarded anything I have stated for a long time as misleading
I myself find it limited due to this:
"Questionnaires were sent out to all of the adult implant clients who had acquired their hearing loss after they had developed speech and language and therefore were classified as post-lingually hearing impaired and had been implanted for at least six months."
I expected CI to work better for this kind of deaf people, and notice they strugle with a lot of stuff, though CI helped them more than HA, but as Jillio said, interesting, but limited.
flip - Your accusation simply isn't true. There is no statement in this topic, or any topic for that matter, posted by owen06, that states the he is looking for papers to prove other people wrong.
The fact is you said:
Now you are saying it is a survey.....misleading again?
You stated that you had read this information; sharing of information is paramount in the education of people, no matter what the topic. Choosing to tell owen06, to "go look", does nothing to validate your statement. In fact quite the contrary.
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First off, small sample size. Secondly, only includes psot linguals. Thirdly, based on self report inventory. Fourthly, no operational definition.
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I said limitations, not limited. Two different concepts.
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flip - Your accusation simply isn't true. There is no statement in this topic, or any topic for that matter, posted by owen06, that states the he is looking for papers to prove other people wrong.
The fact is you said: Now you are saying it is a survey.....misleading again?
You stated that you had read this information; sharing of information is paramount in the education of people, no matter what the topic. Choosing to tell owen06, to "go look", does nothing to validate your statement. In fact quite the contrary.
The very post we are talking about is a survey. What is your point? And. loml, give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime. Oweno6 is a student. He needs to learn to take responsibility for his own learning. The fact that he continues to ask the same questions over and over, despite having them answered in several posts is indication that he is not attempting to learn, but to argue a point. And, if one is proficient in analyzing research, one should have no problem locating research.
I still find it interesting. I was interested in the differences before and after implant. The date of the article was 2001. There has been so many changes in technology of implants since 2001. Even though I find it intersting information.
Yes it is postlinguals adults. I was reading an article today that placed pre-linguals at birth to age 6. Interesting in different views on acquiring language and at what age.
BTW, If I find anything interesting that is negative in response for cochlear implants I would also post it.
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I said it was interesting, as well. What journal was the article published in that identified pre-linguals as birth -6?
jillio - I was quite clear in my post what I was referring to for flip. In case you are not following I will repost it here for you, hope that helps. The post I am talking about is this: originally posted by flip -
Not having the common courtesy to answer questions from any individual looking to learn, using one of the primary sources of information of this day and age, on a board of consisting mostly of individuals with some level of hearing loss, (with a few hearing people also engaged); people who claim that the hearing world "needs to be better informed about deafness", and refusing to provide/share said viable documentation reflects poorly on those individuals in and involved within the deaf community via this medium.
Your parable is of little use here, for me. You assume too much.
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Uh....that's not a parable. Yes, the hearing world needs to be better informed about deafness, but in order for that to be accomplished, they need to stop talking and start listening.
flip - Your accusation simply isn't true. There is no statement in this topic, or any topic for that matter, posted by owen06, that states the he is looking for papers to prove other people wrong.
The fact is you said: Now you are saying it is a survey.....misleading again?
You stated that you had read this information; sharing of information is paramount in the education of people, no matter what the topic. Choosing to tell owen06, to "go look", does nothing to validate your statement. In fact quite the contrary.
Yes is it. He himself stated some of us is misleading people with the papers presented on this board, read his posts again. He is not into this to learn, but to figure out where we are misleading people. I am not going to explain this very basic situation to you. The rest of your post is too hollow to follow.(Wow, I can rhyme in spite I don't know Cued Speech
).Ops, I cited Jillio wrong
Resistance against the deaf culture and asl is perhaps futile, but me and Jillio don't belong to a borg society, Loml 
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Ops, I cited Jillio wrong
Yes is it. He himself stated some of us is misleading people with the papers presented on this board, read his posts again. He is not into this to learn, but to figure out where we are misleading people. I am not going to explain this very basic situation to you. The rest of your post is too hollow to follow.(Wow, I can rhyme in spite I don't know Cued Speech
Telling people they are wrong and saying that they are misleading are two different things. I posted the extra information because I felt that it needed to be posted in order to frame it in the appropriate context. When reading some of the papers that were referenced I personally felt mislead by the information posted in here. There is nothing wrong with adding that extra information; in fact it encourages people to see if there may be more research regarding the topic.
Please stop blatantly lying.