The difference in technology to help the deaf children hear, then and now

[Lillys dad]

Well said R2!

 

[deafdyke]

I hear a bunch of horror stories about C.I, but no one has been able to produce any evidence which would lead a reasonable person to believe that the MODERN C.I. is dangerous or responsible for all of the horror stories.

Hey at least it's a lot more moderate then in the old days....Oh, and Lilly'sdad, please don't feel like you have NO TIME to get a second implant. Definitly fight for it, but you still have a while before the language door closes. Besides, the benifit from a second implant can be not too significent....mostly easier to talk in noisy situtions, and localization of sound....even many ha users have those problems. I'm actually "almost hearing" with my aids, and I can't localize sound at all! You know, you may want to reach a compromise with the insurance company. I think they are going to start really cracking down on bilateral implants b/c it's so costly for virtually everyone...Maybe see if they would agree to opt for another implant if you guys paid a higher co-pay.

 

[greema]

If you do not like the C.I. fine, thats your opinion. Explain why you feel that way and leave it at that. Of course if you have information based in fact, please provide it. But please provide verification.
If someone has to embelish a story to convey a thought or opinion, the opinion is weak. Provide proof to support your opinion, not stories.

Alot of the horror stories about C.I. sound alot like the teen horror stories, just that, stories.

Makes me think about little kids in movies that are scared of a certain house (and sometimes "the old man/woman that lives there") -- like the movie "The Sand Lot" (or something like that I can't remember) where the kids say all kinds of things about that scary house and don't go near there or you'll get it kind of stuff...
I DO know a man that got a CI when they first came out and he was left with a partially paralyzed face on the side where he has the CI -- this was what first made me so anti-CI all these years and when Fragmenter first approached me and my husband via VP, I just let my closed mind open up -- this is HIS son and HIS decision and I LOVE them -- and the fact that I work in the IT environment made me realize that there should have been progress with the CI like there is great leaps in the computer field -- and I had linked the medical field and the computer field (you can think of the CI as being in the computer field and the surgeon that implants CIs as being in the medical field) and I realized that there has been great leaps and bounds in the CI itself! Just open your minds, CI-naysayers and think like this. Come on, we're in the 21st century, not stuck in the Middle Ages!

 

[greema]

I'm just wondering why most parents seem to think they have to make deaf children hear instead of leaving them alone. There have been many successful deaf adults out there. It seems nobody cares about it. (The book Great Deaf Americans has the stories of several of them.)

Let me ask you a question... ARE you a FATHER of a DEAF child???????

Let's leave it at that...

 

[Cloggy]

I'm just wondering why most parents seem to think they have to make deaf children hear instead of leaving them alone. There have been many successful deaf adults out there. It seems nobody cares about it. (The book Great Deaf Americans has the stories of several of them.)

Don`t you think it is about time to stop acting like a troll and start reading posts?

 

[SxyPorkie]

GNU....Ever since I joined AD.. I noticed you had been bashing on Fragmenter along... Leave Him Alone!!! His son already had surgery...It is DONE...It cannot be reversibible,,, SO SHUT UP!!!
SxyPorkie

 

[Lillys dad]

Greema, well said!
I talked to several experts in the field of C.I.. I spoke to a surgeon and a researcher. Both agreed that there were some kinda scary things that happened with the first generation of C.I. Both of them then added that to the best of thier knowledge, there is not a single person left in the U.S. that still has the original C.I.s'.
As far as the I.T. stuff goes, my next door neighbor is onbe of the head I.T. guys for Webster University. He keeps on top of the latest and greatest in the I.T. world and travels world wide to oversee I.T. issues at all of the different campuses. We were talking about Lillys C.I.. After explaining it to him, he was amazed at the all of the cutting edge technology in that tiny little computer. Coming from the mouth of an I.T. guru "the technology in it is simply mind boggling".
Back to the Medical side of a C.I., the consesus I reached from surgeons, is the M.R.I and C.T. scan provide them with a map of the implantees head. After that, the procedure is relaitvely easy. The largest area of concoern is not damaging nerves in the implantation area. A facial nerve and a nerve that goes to the tounge for taste are present. Apparently, the facial nerve is not a problem anymore due to advancements in medicine. The taste nerve for the tounge, stastically, get severd 1/4 of the time. This nerve is one of many that provide taste. So worst case, it gets severed, the implantee can still taste. From what I've read from implantees, it is not uncommon for that nerve to heal itself.
Oh! by the way You have mail!

 

[gnulinuxman]

So why is it that so many of these so called unfounded lies are frequently repeated on AD? No one here has to agree with CIs or has to get one, but the very miminum they can do is have their facts straight.

Moreover, the article is not written by any organisation connected with CIs, but an organisation serving deaf people that promotes everyone's best interests.

The article in your sig fails to cite any sources (such as where they found ASL interpreters spreading lies).

GNU....Ever since I joined AD.. I noticed you had been bashing on Fragmenter along... Leave Him Alone!!! His son already had surgery...It is DONE...It cannot be reversibible,,, SO SHUT UP!!!
SxyPorkie

I haven't said ANYTHING about Fragmenter in a long time, and the last conversation I had with him privately was friendly. SO SHUT UP!!! :P (By the way, the fact that it isn't reversible is why I am against CI's in children.)

Don`t you think it is about time to stop acting like a troll and start reading posts?

Don't you think it is about time to stop acting like some CI salesperson and actually be objective? Seriously, you keep saying that CI's are the only good "solution" to deafness just because your daughter loves hers. And some of your statements are absurd (like when you said "Naturally, people hear", when you know that deaf people don't hear naturally).

 

[MilitaryGirl83]

What's wrong with CI for children to help them hear better. It's just a tool for them to hear better. The techology is new and improving now a days. Jeremy and I would have implanted our kids if they got no benefits from HA but they will still learn to sign and use voice plus speaking same time. So leave Fragetman alone!

The article in your sig fails to cite any sources (such as where they found ASL interpreters spreading lies).
I haven't said ANYTHING about Fragmenter in a long time, and the last conversation I had with him privately was friendly. SO SHUT UP!!! :P (By the way, the fact that it isn't reversible is why I am against CI's in children.)Don't you think it is about time to stop acting like some CI salesperson and actually be objective? Seriously, you keep saying that CI's are the only good "solution" to deafness just because your daughter loves hers. And some of your statements are absurd (like when you said "Naturally, people hear").

 

[Fragmenter]

Still at it GNU? Hahaha!

Lilly's Dad... WOW, your post above is a wealth of information for everyone, including me! Thank you for answering most of the lingering questions I had for a while.

 

[MilitaryGirl83]

I agree with you!

GNU....Ever since I joined AD.. I noticed you had been bashing on Fragmenter along... Leave Him Alone!!! His son already had surgery...It is DONE...It cannot be reversibible,,, SO SHUT UP!!!
SxyPorkie

 

[MilitaryGirl83]

Don't worry about GNULINUKman.. as long as you and your son are happy about it. Then don't worry about it!

Still at it GNU? Hahaha!

Lilly's Dad... WOW, your post above is a wealth of information for everyone, including me! Thank you for answering most of the lingering questions I had for a while.

 

[Fragmenter]

Seriously, you keep saying that CI's are the only good "solution" to deafness just because your daughter loves hers.

It's the only solution to restoring hearing when you can't benefit from hearing aids. I'm sure that everyone here agrees with that statement.

 

[Fragmenter]

Don't worry about GNULINUKman.. as long as you and your son are happy about it. Then don't worry about it!

It's all good. We had a private talk and we basically agreed to disagree

 

[sr171soars]

It's the only solution to restoring hearing when you can't benefit from hearing aids. I'm sure that everyone here agrees with that statement.

You betcha! I'd would be up a tree without a ladder without my CI...

 

[Cloggy]

................Don't you think it is about time to stop acting like some CI salesperson and actually be objective? Seriously, you keep saying that CI's are the only good "solution" to deafness just because your daughter loves hers. And some of your statements are absurd (like when you said "Naturally, people hear", when you know that deaf people don't hear naturally).

* "CI salesperson..." you've been listning to SM too much...
* "Saying it's the only solution..." whishful thinking from your part...
* "Absurd statements..." you win.... that contest.

 

[greema]

GNU....Ever since I joined AD.. I noticed you had been bashing on Fragmenter along... Leave Him Alone!!! His son already had surgery...It is DONE...It cannot be reversibible,,, SO SHUT UP!!!
SxyPorkie

Whoa! That was so unexpected from you and I want to give you my heartfelt thanks for standing up for Fragmenter! I don't know what is with gnukid --

 

[greema]

Greema, well said!
I talked to several experts in the field of C.I.. I spoke to a surgeon and a researcher. Both agreed that there were some kinda scary things that happened with the first generation of C.I. Both of them then added that to the best of thier knowledge, there is not a single person left in the U.S. that still has the original C.I.s'.
As far as the I.T. stuff goes, my next door neighbor is onbe of the head I.T. guys for Webster University. He keeps on top of the latest and greatest in the I.T. world and travels world wide to oversee I.T. issues at all of the different campuses. We were talking about Lillys C.I.. After explaining it to him, he was amazed at the all of the cutting edge technology in that tiny little computer. Coming from the mouth of an I.T. guru "the technology in it is simply mind boggling".
Back to the Medical side of a C.I., the consesus I reached from surgeons, is the M.R.I and C.T. scan provide them with a map of the implantees head. After that, the procedure is relaitvely easy. The largest area of concoern is not damaging nerves in the implantation area. A facial nerve and a nerve that goes to the tounge for taste are present. Apparently, the facial nerve is not a problem anymore due to advancements in medicine. The taste nerve for the tounge, stastically, get severd 1/4 of the time. This nerve is one of many that provide taste. So worst case, it gets severed, the implantee can still taste. From what I've read from implantees, it is not uncommon for that nerve to heal itself.
Oh! by the way You have mail!

Thanks for all of these new and interesting information. And Webster U IT guru? How so cool!
(ok -- you'll be hearing from me)

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

I don't know what is with gnukid --

 

[gnulinuxman]

What's wrong with CI for children to help them hear better. It's just a tool for them to hear better. The techology is new and improving now a days. Jeremy and I would have implanted our kids if they got no benefits from HA but they will still learn to sign and use voice plus speaking same time. So leave Fragetman alone!

Fragmenter and I have agreed to disagree. I'm not attacking him.

It's the only solution to restoring hearing when you can't benefit from hearing aids. I'm sure that everyone here agrees with that statement.

True.

It's all good. We had a private talk and we basically agreed to disagree

It's true. Fragmenter isn't a bad guy. Fragmenter, I hope you and your son have the best of luck with your operations.

You betcha! I'd would be up a tree without a ladder without my CI...

Of course, because you have admitted that you don't sign or do pure lipreading. Not every deaf person feels that way, however.

* "CI salesperson..." you've been listning to SM too much...
* "Saying it's the only solution..." whishful thinking from your part...
* "Absurd statements..." you win.... that contest.

Wishful thinking? Ha!

:topic:, but

Kim and I broke up, and I hate her just as much as you do now.