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faire_jour said:
Because who am I to say that my way is the only right way? I will recommend ASL, and even go so far as to explain what terrible consequences there can be if their child falls too far behind, but I will not say they are wrong. There are so many factors and so many kids doing well orally, why should I say they are wrong?
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You know why we say these things... For example in the other thread, you conveniently left out the ASL school...
 
The whole point of this forum, I believe, is for the Deaf to have a means of expression and voice. All those who are Deaf/deaf and HoH have the right to choose what they are most comfortable with, whether is it ASL only, Total tool-box approach, or oral. The main issue here is that for the most part, a good majority of those who are Deaf/deaf or HoH have been dictated to by the hearing professionals, often not being presented with ALL the options available to them. Where it becomes offensive to a deaf person is when the hearing community, due to their ignorance impose to 'fix' deafness instead of embracing the fact that many are happy to be just the way they are because it defines them as a person. The deaf community provides the means by which we can just be ourselves and not have to fit into any box that has been made by those who cannot begin to minutely understand what makes us who we are. Yes, we do need to go beyond the box and communicate with others who may be different to ourselves, but that is no different to any international situation. East meets West - So Deaf meets Hearing and visa-versa. There should be respect given to accept our differences for what they are and not try to 'fix' someone just because they may be different. The deaf have in the past and even to this day have had to accomodate the hearing and many have been deeply affected by this. In this modern multi-cutural globalised world - we are calling for the Hearing to accomodate the deaf to the same degree with respect for personal preferrances and rights.
 
shel90 said:
We are talking about language, not physical issues. I cant go on with this comparision because I have never experienced what it is like to be in a wheelchair so i cant keep making further analysis.
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Exactly then why is she acting like she knows what it is like to be deaf?

It's one thing for some of the culturally deaf to have attachment to their culture, that's more understanding. But what is it to oceanbreeze? Why is she so concerned about it?
 
I for one regret not having better hearing growing up. Cause the way I look at it, it's also a question of making more realistic observations on how the world really works in terms of going with or against the flow. And also looking at it from a "making it easier for me to swim to the shore..." rather than looking at it from "I'm not going to try to swim to the shore, instead I'm insisting that an hearing person come to me and rescue me..." perspective.
 
HHIssues said:
I for one regret not having better hearing growing up. Cause the way I look at it, it's also a question of making more realistic observations on how the world really works in terms of going with or against the flow. And also looking at it from a "making it easier for me to swim to the shore..." rather than looking at it from "I'm not going to try to swim to the shore, instead I'm insisting that an hearing person come to me and rescue me..." perspective.
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Care to provide some examples of when we expect hearing people to come rescue us? We learn sign so we can communicate with those who know sign. We learn to speak so we can communicate with those who speak. Should we perhaps not? Should we also forgo interpreters so we don't have to have hearing people rescue us from not understanding something? Either that or I'm misunderstanding your post.
 
HHIssues said:
I for one regret not having better hearing growing up. Cause the way I look at it, it's also a question of making more realistic observations on how the world really works in terms of going with or against the flow. And also looking at it from a "making it easier for me to swim to the shore..." rather than looking at it from "I'm not going to try to swim to the shore, instead I'm insisting that an hearing person come to me and rescue me..." perspective.
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:tears:
 
AlleyCat said:
Care to provide some examples of when we expect hearing people to come rescue us? We learn sign so we can communicate with those who know sign. We learn to speak so we can communicate with those who speak. Should we perhaps not? Should we also forgo interpreters so we don't have to have hearing people rescue us from not understanding something? Either that or I'm misunderstanding your post.
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Yea, I am lost too.
 
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HHIssues said:
I for one regret not having better hearing growing up. Cause the way I look at it, it's also a question of making more realistic observations on how the world really works in terms of going with or against the flow. And also looking at it from a "making it easier for me to swim to the shore..." rather than looking at it from "I'm not going to try to swim to the shore, instead I'm insisting that an hearing person come to me and rescue me..." perspective.
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This passage makes no sense. Sign language is empowering oneself. If one chooses to sign, usually people try to come to a mutual understanding. However if one chooses to speak and is not intelligible in their speech, usually hearing "rescue" the deaf individuals by translating and correcting the spoken words.

A girl I was once seeing was notorious for fixing my way of speaking (orally) in public in front of others.
 
faire_jour said:
He is saying that it is better to live in the hearing world and "swim" rather than insist that every person learn ASL (or use an interpreter) and "come to you".
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I am lost about the part where he said about hearing people rescuing us. I am with AlleyCat...he is not being clear enough.

I would rather have both than constantly struggle with the hearing world all the time. I know a CI wont make me 100% hearing so why give up ASL?
 
shel90 said:
I am lost about the part where he said about hearing people rescuing us. I am with AlleyCat...he is not being clear enough.

I would rather have both than constantly struggle with the hearing world all the time. I know a CI wont make me 100% hearing so why give up ASL?
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He meant that only using ASL forces hearing people to "come to you" (by learning ASL or by using an interpreter) rather than you learning the mode of 99.9% of the people.
 
faire_jour said:
He meant that only using ASL forces hearing people to "come to you" (by learning ASL or by using an interpreter) rather than you learning the mode of 99.9% of the people.
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Always throwing the percentages around, heh?

What's your reason for it?
 
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