The Civil War.

Nope, it wasn't slavery... it was for the states' rights.

I remember growing up and being educated in school about it being because of slavery. I later found out that there was a lot of misinterpretations in history books. There was even a comment in the history books about the Great Wall of China being visible from space. Of course, that wasn't true... and they had to reprint a lot history books because of that. Heh!

Anyway, I learned more about it when I took history in college. :thumb:
 
Lol, Vam. I remember reading about our astronauts having eyes sooooo attuned they could see submarines cruising.
Eh? WTF?
 
downing said:
My hubby is against the slavery issue. His family was from Dutch Reformed and Quakers. they started to discuss about freeing slaves in New York during 1600s. Not just based on Civil War.

But his descandants were farmers like the Southerns, they wanted state rights in first place before slavery issue ever was brought up. The reason why they wanted to use state rights, the farmers worked so hard to grow their crops for trading to Europe. Like Tobacco, Cotton, and many more without any federal interventions.

But Northerns wanted to start industrials to come up with new technologies such as railroad, iron clads, steamboats, and many more. That is why farmers became afraid to lose their profits.

Like what is happening today is where are the farmers? Farmers are starting to become extinct.

Another example, they said Republicans was the one who started the civil war, using their excuse by using "slavery" as their biggest issue.

Remember you learned from school, compare history...look at civil war issue and now look at Iraq issue. Republicans like Bush said that they decided to attack Iraq because of Saddam Hussien who was cruelty to their own people and mass destruction. We already captured Hussein, but they never found mass destruction and Iraq itself is not stable enough. Americans thought Bush is going after oil, now you can see all the gas prices are going up.

Think about history in civil war, after the war was ended, south was joined with north, but civil rights for blacks have not been resolved until 1960s. the civil rights started in 1867 but nothing was being done until 1960s by Martin Luther King, Jr.


It will go same thing for Iraq that won't be resolved. Some people have different opinions, my hubby don't consider himself racist, since he is opposed to slavery in the beginning.
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Thanks for the information, Now that makes so much sense now to me. So the republicans just want to act like heros? Like ending the slavery or captured the terrorism? They might say that in the history books later on how Bush to try convince the American public, that we need to stop the terrorism, but really we know the war in Iraq is really about oil and to give Iraq people freedom to vote, that's where our taxes dollars are being spended on.
 
A couple of points:
Per capita, more free blacks owned slaves than whites.
Illinois required a $1000 bond be posted before a free black could enter the state.

General Fremont issued the firs emancipation proclamation an Lincoln ordered him to rescend it and then fired him as commander of the Army Of the West.

The "Confederate flag" that receives so much attention was not the CSA National flag. It was a battle jack. The first flag was the "Bonnie Blue", then one with two red stripes like the U.S. flag, a white stripe between, and a field of stars on the left. It was changed by adding a vertical white stripe to the right edge because it was confused with the stars and stripes in battle. That was again changed because it appeared to be a white flag when furled.

The Confederate constitution did indeed ban the importation of slaves.

Slavery was indeed a dying institution and it frightened the northerners more than the southerners. It was the butter on their industrial bread. Lincoln even wanted to deport freed slaves.
 
Purpose of war

Hey, some of you say that the war with IRAQ has alot to do with oil, lemme ask you, where do you find the source? Ask yourself, how realiable is this source? Often times, human tend to change the story when sharing with somebody else. Stories RARELY stay the same from the first person to tenth person!
If war is about oil, let me ask you question... WHY did we have war with Vietnam back in 60's? There is no oil in Vietnam, yet we have problem with oil back then too. So, whats the point of having war with 'nam? Really nobody knows exact the root cause of it.
Whats more, there has been war in middle east even long before the oil well was first strucked in Titusville, PA. What I see the problems in middle east is just what I called "Bible War". And I think this is mainly why there was war going on... One believes his god telling him to destroy other country while other having their god telling them to defend themselve... NUTTY WORLD we live in! sigh!

DHB
 
I have to agree with a lot of what you said. Look at where our oil comes from, and we get very little of it from the middle east.
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Hey, some of you say that the war with IRAQ has alot to do with oil, lemme ask you, where do you find the source? Ask yourself, how realiable is this source? Often times, human tend to change the story when sharing with somebody else. Stories RARELY stay the same from the first person to tenth person!
If war is about oil, let me ask you question... WHY did we have war with Vietnam back in 60's? There is no oil in Vietnam, yet we have problem with oil back then too. So, whats the point of having war with 'nam? Really nobody knows exact the root cause of it.
Whats more, there has been war in middle east even long before the oil well was first strucked in Titusville, PA. What I see the problems in middle east is just what I called "Bible War". And I think this is mainly why there was war going on... One believes his god telling him to destroy other country while other having their god telling them to defend themselve... NUTTY WORLD we live in! sigh!DHB
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First of all, The war didn't begin in America on Sept. 11th While Bush was the President ok? He vows that he would caught the person who is responsible for the attack on Sept. 11th which that would be, Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Laden does not live in Iraq why the hell did we attack Iraq? Bush said there are weapons in Iraq but found out there wasn't, then he says he wanted to free those people from Saddam. How is that fighting back? from what happen to Sept. 11th? I don't believe a word that comes out of Bush's mouth I believe in my heart there some other reason why he invaded Iraq. If it's about oil, You think he would gotta say that? Hell no, he wouldn't want anyone to know the truth, the real reason of this war in Iraq. Think about it. If you want to believe Bush that's your problem but not me. :thumb: Let's not go off topic here now because this topic is about Civil war, If you want to discuss more about this, we can take this to another thread. ;)
 
Realiable source

To tell you this, NO BODY really have the accurate information on why there is events going on in political world. Sometimes somebody just made up story and it sounded so good, hence spread it out to misunderstand the society. It happens all the time, Slavery as excuses in civil war. Oil is to be blamed for war in middle east, we had war with Jap just because Jap wanted to own Hawaii island. We had war with Vietnam, whats the excuse? Nobody knows, and nobody find a brilliant excuse. You could make up one, and if it happens to make sense then people will believe you, but is that a fact? hahaha! very funny, but yup, it sure happens all the time!

DHB
 
Your wrong! It was good 10 years before 9-11. Saddam Invaded Kuwaiti, then the first Bush warned Saddam to back the fuck off Kuwaiti, and Saddam refused to cooperate, then US went into battle with Iraqi and pushed them back in IRAQ, and Bush asked Saddam to destroy all WMD and we will stop fighting. So, that agreement was made, then Bush stop the war. Guess what Saddam did? All he did was playing games... then Clinton took over. What did Clinton do with Saddam for being uncooperative? Clinton was too fuckin busy with Monica Lewinsky. Saddam got away. Then there is Bush II coming up, Bush II wants to finish this problem with Saddam, and that Saddam refused to cooperate, then there is war had RE-Started!

DHB

Cheri said:
First of all, The war didn't begin in America on Sept. 11th While Bush was the President ok? He vows that he would caught the person who is responsible for the attack on Sept. 11th which that would be, Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Laden does not live in Iraq why the hell did we attack Iraq? Bush said there are weapons in Iraq but found out there wasn't, then he says he wanted to free those people from Saddam. How is that fighting back? from what happen to Sept. 11th? I don't believe a word that comes out of Bush's mouth I believe in my heart there some other reason why he invaded Iraq. If it's about oil, You think he would gotta say that? Hell no, he wouldn't want anyone to know the truth, the real reason of this war in Iraq. Think about it. If you want to believe Bush that's your problem but not me. :thumb: Let's not go off topic here now because this topic is about Civil war, If you want to discuss more about this, we can take this to another thread. ;)
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diehardbiker65 said:
Your wrong! It was good 10 years before 9-11. Saddam Invaded Kuwaiti, then the first Bush warned Saddam to back the fuck off Kuwaiti, and Saddam refused to cooperate, then US went into battle with Iraqi and pushed them back in IRAQ, and Bush asked Saddam to destroy all WMD and we will stop fighting. So, that agreement was made, then Bush stop the war. Guess what Saddam did? All he did was playing games... then Clinton took over. What did Clinton do with Saddam for being uncooperative? Clinton was too fuckin busy with Monica Lewinsky. Saddam got away. Then there is Bush II coming up, Bush II wants to finish this problem with Saddam, and that Saddam refused to cooperate, then there is war had RE-Started!

DHB
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OMG! Why in the world we should be involved with Kuwaiti? That is not fighting back for our country. Our Country is the United States! Since when did Kuwaiti was part of United States? Sept. 11th has nothing to do with Saddam you know it and I know it and everyone else knows it too. So the war started because of his father? Oh my Gosh another stupid excuse. That is putting our people in dangerous even our troops It's all about revenge isn't it with you republicans? How pathetic. :sure:
 
Cheri said:
... If it was wrong then we shouldn't be taught it that way.
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Sadly, much of the history taught in public government schools is wrong or incomplete. :(
 
No no, Kuwauti wasn't part of US in the first place. Just that Uncle sam got mad when seeing Saddam invaded defenseless Kuwaiti. Now you see point why I was trying to explain on why there was civil war thats misinformed. We all are MISINFORMATED! Anyway, I was old enough to remember the invasion of Kuwait. Even back when Khomeini took over IRAN

DHB

Cheri said:
OMG! Why in the world we should be involved with Kuwaiti? That is not fighting back for our country. Our Country is the United States! Since when did Kuwaiti was part of United States? Sept. 11th has nothing to do with Saddam you know it and I know it and everyone else knows it too. So the war started because of his father? Oh my Gosh another stupid excuse. That is putting our people in dangerous even our troops It's all about revenge isn't it with you republicans? How pathetic. :sure:
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Gee, Im seeing where the idea of OIL came from. Sheesh!!! Iraq invaded Kuwaiti because Kuwaiti is oil rich country, far richer than Iraq and Saddam wanted that oil so badly and decided to invade Kuwaiti. I don't think that is the only reason but anyway what I think is people thought USA decided to start war with Iraq based on oil, but the reality is Iraq invaded Kuwaiti in the first place. Now you see, how people can change the stories...

DHB
 
Yup! College used to have much much in-depth information on anything while in Hi School, they only can supply information based on "Requirement" from the state. Sometimes censored, and this is really minimal information. Just enough for you to say ohhh. But in College you will find more ahhhhh and start the debate from there, and plenty of uncensored information as well.

DHB

deaflibrarian said:
Exactly why everyone should go to college. At least there the historical facts about the Civil War can be verified and debated. Meanwhile, a good place to start is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War

I have confirmed via my aunt in Nevada that all blood-related male relatives that fought in the Civil War wore Union Blue. Thank goodness, as I'd have had a hard time coping with Confederate Grey in the family.
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ravensteve1961 said:
If you lived back in the civil war days what side would you be on?

Id fight for the south.
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I d take no sides. Back then, my folks were still in Ireland and my paternal side are Cherokees so they werent allowed to fight anyway.

While slavery was a huge factor, it wasnt the only factor in Civil War. It was the South trying to break away from the Union and form their own govt based on their own doctrines etc.

The South was rebelling so the war was created to ensure that the Union was not broken apart.
 
Meg said:
I d take no sides. Back then, my folks were still in Ireland and my paternal side are Cherokees so they werent allowed to fight anyway.
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RONGO! Google Stand Wati, and John Ross, Colonel Ely Parker.3,600 Native Americans served in the Union Army during the war. Many, many more fought for the confederacy.

Then there is this tidbit of forgotten history:

"While the war was raging back East, out in the West things were seldom quiet or peaceful. Statistics show that nearly 90 engagements were fought by U.S. troops in the West during the war, most of them involving Native American tribes people. From January to May 1863, there were almost continuous fights in the New Mexico territory, as part of a concerted effort by the Federal government to contain and control the Apache; in the midst of all this, Abraham Lincoln met with representatives from several major tribes, and informed them he felt they would never attain the prosperity of the white race unless they turned to farming as a way of life.
In July 1864, there was fighting against Native Americans in Minnesota; fighting continued throughout the year in New Mexico, as well. Then in November, on the twenty-ninth, there occurred what some historians have called the first major blot of the so-called Indian Wars: the Sand Creek Massacre. Frightened by raids made by warriors in the area around Denver as a result of a reduced military presence in the West, Colorado settlers asked Colonel J. M. Chivington to punish the raiders. Chivington, with 900 volunteer militiamen, attacked a peaceful village of some five hundred or more Arapaho and Cheyenne natives, killing women and children as well as warriors. In his report, Chivington chillingly stated: "It may perhaps be unnecessary for me to state that I captured no prisoners."
Some of the people escaped, however, and at least one of them was pursued by irony in the years to come: Chief Black Kettle of the Cheyenne survived the massacre at Sand Creek, only to die at the hands of George Armstrong Custer's 7th Cavalry in a second attack on a peaceful village some three years later, at a place called the Washita River.
 
Who really cares how the civil wars started whether or not its over slavery, and beside I rather not to see ANY wars but peace....That just the way I like to see the world as today where people get along, and love one another! ...

So, I pick no sides over this civil war, I wasn't even born yet, I wasn't around when this happen, but if I was, I would have been frowning until the civil war ends.....Innocent people doesn't deserves to die, or get killed, but having peace saves millions of people all around the world....

That's all I wanted to say!.... :(
 
Although I live in the South now, I was born in New England, and lived most of my childhood in the Northeast. I would probably have supported the Union. Several of my ancestors fought in the Union Army, one ancestor's house was part of the Underground Railroad for runaway slaves, and one ancestor in the Midwest was martyred for his support of abolition (before the War).
 
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