The Art of Cueing

Jiro said:
It seems oxymoronic to me because you (general "you") have a hearing disability... meaning you cannot hear well. so what's the point of CS when there is ASL which is a complete language (a much more reliable communication tool)? Why put so much unnecessary strain on trying to understand the talker via CS when you can easily communicate with ASL without headache? Why half-voice, half-sign?
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Jiro - Thanks for replying.

ASL is a great communication tool, but it is not English. People constantly look to compare ASL to cued English. Does that mean we should compare cued French to LSQ?

WHY?
 
loml said:
Jiro - Thanks for replying.

ASL is a great communication tool, but it is not English. People constantly look to compare ASL to cued English. Does that mean we should compare cued French to LSQ?

WHY?
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You're right. ASL is a complete language. CS is not. And we all know that ASL is not English. So what's the point? That spoken English is superior, in some way, to ASL? Hungarian is not English, either, but it is even more valuable than English to those that speak Hungarian.
 
loml said:
Jiro - Thanks for replying.

ASL is a great communication tool, but it is not English. People constantly look to compare ASL to cued English. Does that mean we should compare cued French to LSQ?

WHY?
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what Jillio said.

French = complete hearing language
English = complete hearing language
Braille = complete blind language
ASL = complete deaf language
CUE = :wtf:
 
Jiro -The sounds of the French language can be spoken, cued or printed. The sounds of the English language can be spoken, cued or printed. Through cueing, the sounds of these two spoken language are made available to the people/children who are deaf/hoh. The sounds of a language hold a beauty just as the signs of ASL do.

I cannot comment on whether or not Braille is considered a language, perhaps this is something Dreama or Hear again can clear up for me ( if they happen to read this post).
 
loml said:
Jiro -The sounds of the French language can be spoken, cued or printed. The sounds of the English language can be spoken, cued or printed. Through cueing, the sounds of these two spoken language are made available to the people/children who are deaf/hoh. The sounds of a language hold a beauty just as the signs of ASL do.

I cannot comment on whether or not Braille is considered a language, perhaps this is something Dreama or Hear again can clear up for me ( if they happen to read this post).
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why? because it's not in form of sound? :roll: language can be communicated by any means - sound, visual, tactile, etc.

Braille is a complete blind language. CUE is not a complete language. It's a distracting "assistance" tool in conjunction with spoken language. In other word - an oxymoronic tool for deaf.
 
Jiro - I agree that languages can be communicated by any means sound, visual and tactile. This is exactly what cueing does.
 
loml said:
Jiro - I agree that languages can be communicated by any means sound, visual and tactile. This is exactly what cueing does.
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Like I said - it's an incomplete language.
 
loml said:
Jiro - What is your definition of language?
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1. 100% singular form (tactile or visual or written or auditory - not AND)
2. does not depend on or augment other form
3. has its own syntax, symbol, meaning, structure

English (spoken) satisfies #1, #2, and #3
English (written) satisfies #1, #2, and #3
Braille satisfies #1, #2, and #3
ASL satisfies #1, #2, and #3

CUE does not satisfy #1, #2, and #3 thus - an incomplete language
 
loml said:
Jiro - I agree that languages can be communicated by any means sound, visual and tactile. This is exactly what cueing does.
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Then why, prey tell, is it rarely used for that purpose?
 
Jiro said:
didn't you just contradicted your own word? :scratch:
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Jiro _No. I stated language can be" communicated by any means sound, visual and tactile. This is exactly what cueing does."
 
Hmm, not sure but isn't that still the same thing? Forgive me if I am reading incorrectly but - I am seeing this, loml:

loml said:
Jiro _No. I stated language can be" communicated by any means sound, visual and tactile. This is exactly what cueing does."
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Translation:
loml said:
Language = communication by sound, visual, tactcile. <-> Cueing
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Is this what you meant?

Just curious.
What exactly is the purpose of cueing over ASL? If you had to debate vs an ASL lecturer, as a Cueing representative, what would you offer against your opponent if you were discussing this to a room of 100 students ready to take either courses?
 
naisho said:
Hmm, not sure but isn't that still the same thing? Forgive me if I am reading incorrectly but - I am seeing this, loml:



Translation:


Is this what you meant?

Just curious.
What exactly is the purpose of cueing over ASL? If you had to debate vs an ASL lecturer, as a Cueing representative, what would you offer against your opponent if you were discussing this to a room of 100 students ready to take either courses?
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Oh, GAWD! You just had to ask, didn't you, naisho? We have all seen loml sales pitch ad nauseum.:roll:
 
naisho - Thank you, I see how the choice of the word communicated created grey areas. Perhaps a better choice would be "access to language is provided".
My apologies Jiro. :)

This is not about ASL over cueing. Why do you view it as such?

"If you had to debate vs an ASL lecturer, as a Cueing representative, what would you offer against your opponent if you were discussing this to a room of 100 students ready to take either courses?"

I cannot provide comment on your hypothetical example naisho, as from my perceptive there is not enough information. Care to provide more specifics?
 
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