Texas lawmaker to introduce anti-immigration bill

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Ooh, great one, Reba. Intent is the heart of the question here. Not conspiracy theories.
 
True local story:

One middle-aged woman, driving SUV late at night, pulled over for license plate light not working. Received polite warning, no ticket.

One middle-aged woman, driving car at night, pulled over for license plate light not working. Received polite warning, no ticket.

One woman was black, one was white. Same city, within days of each other. Neither one claimed that the light was working. One driver claims racial profiling, one driver thanks the officer for pointing out the problem so she can get it fixed.

Question: How did the police officer see the skin color of the driver at night in an SUV (tinted windows) prior to making the stop?

How do you determine the "intent" from these facts?

You can't.......In fact many of my LEO friends tell me they are more likely to give a ticket to a white person in that situation because of the accusations often made by minorities. Glad no one was issued a ticket in this story.
 
True local story:

One middle-aged woman, driving SUV late at night, pulled over for license plate light not working. Received polite warning, no ticket.

One middle-aged woman, driving car at night, pulled over for license plate light not working. Received polite warning, no ticket.

One woman was black, one was white. Same city, within days of each other. Neither one claimed that the light was working. One driver claims racial profiling, one driver thanks the officer for pointing out the problem so she can get it fixed.

Question: How did the police officer see the skin color of the driver at night in an SUV (tinted windows) prior to making the stop?

How do you determine the "intent" from these facts?

Since racism nowadays presents itself as one of many factors, it's hard to pinpoint and discuss. But that makes it harder to brush off racism in a situation. If we, as a society, ever want to get to a point where racism doesn't even inform our decisions and opinions on a subtle level, we have to discuss these situations of intent, where there's a lot of gray area, and we can't be sure. It's because "we can't be sure" that we get stuck at this point.

We can't assume the intentions or motives in this situation... but we also can't brush off any possible intents and motives. In the time being, that translates to discussing all possible situations (such as the ones listed above). That doesn't tell us anything for sure in this given situation, but it does give us the idea of what can happen and very likely does happen.
 
Hmm......I did get pulled over on my travels last month. And I am mostly white. Maybe the trooper gave me a ticket because I am white. Perhaps he gave me a ticket because I was white and he needed to keep his white quota up so he didn't appear racist.....

Maybe he didn't like me because I was in a Mercedes. (Obviously this was the second trip.....not the one where I was towing a trailer in the storm....LOL)

Then again maybe it was because I was doing 80 in a 65 and he wanted me to slow the &^$% down. Or maybe he was just doing his job and issuing a citation for a traffic offense.

Wonder what his INTENT was?????

And the three previous citations I received (All in Texas) Were given by a black cop, black trooper and a female cop. Maybe the black cops hate white people :hmm: Maybe the female was a man hater :hmm:

The female cited me for not signaling a right hand turn even though I was in a curbed "right hand turn only" lane. No where else to go.



The black cop stopped me for a trailer inspection and cited me because one of my 4 safety chains was 2 inches too long. Pretty petty since the law only requires two safety chains.

Black trooper got me for speeding.....Can't really say anything about that one (Glad he no showed at court)

I could have questioned the intent......no need though. I was in the wrong, no matter how petty.
 
Hmm......I did get pulled over on my travels last month. And I am mostly white. Maybe the trooper gave me a ticket because I am white. Perhaps he gave me a ticket because I was white and he needed to keep his white quota up so he didn't appear racist.....

Maybe he didn't like me because I was in a Mercedes. (Obviously this was the second trip.....not the one where I was towing a trailer in the storm....LOL)

Then again maybe it was because I was doing 80 in a 65 and he wanted me to slow the &^$% down. Or maybe he was just doing his job and issuing a citation for a traffic offense.

Wonder what his INTENT was?????

And the three previous citations I received (All in Texas) Were given by a black cop, black trooper and a female cop. Maybe the black cops hate white people :hmm: Maybe the female was a man hater :hmm:

The female cited me for not signaling a right hand turn even though I was in a curbed "right hand turn only" lane. No where else to go.



The black cop stopped me for a trailer inspection and cited me because one of my 4 safety chains was 2 inches too long. Pretty petty since the law only requires two safety chains.

Black trooper got me for speeding.....Can't really say anything about that one (Glad he no showed at court)

I could have questioned the intent......no need though. I was in the wrong, no matter how petty.

how lucky of you! perhaps you want to try what Robert Downey did in Tropic Thunder and then see how it goes for you :cool2:
 
Didn't see it :dunno:

for this movie in movie - Robert Downy underwent "pigmentation alteration procedure" in order to play the platoon's African-American sergeant Lincoln Osiris.

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for this movie in movie - Robert Downy underwent "pigmentation alteration procedure" in order to play the platoon's African-American sergeant Lincoln Osiris.

tropic-thunder_l.jpg

LOL......Well I am part Black......It just doesn't show. Part Indian too.


I even have a t-shirt with a bunch of Apaches holding rifles. The words "Fighting Domestic Terrorism Since 1492"
 
LOL......Well I am part Black......It just doesn't show. Part Indian too.

I even have a t-shirt with a bunch of Apaches holding rifles. The words "Fighting Domestic Terrorism Since 1492"

either way - if I were to ask dozens of random people of all races to identify you... would you agree that majority will say either "Caucasian" or "white man"?
 
either way - if I were to ask dozens of random people of all races to identify you... would you agree that majority will say either "Caucasian" or "white man"?


Of course.....That is why I added it doesn't show.
 
It completely amazes me that anyone would support this move in any state. Especially when some of the posters here would fight to the death against discrimination of the HOH or deaf, but feel it is perfectly acceptable to discriminate against others. Talk about hypocracy and self centeredness.

You do realize that even MSNBC was absolutely ..... stunned .... that this move is being overwhelmingly supported?

Looks like if you get your way, you will be prescribing antipsychotic medication to 64% of the American population ..... look on the bright side :giggle:

What you are failing to realize is that members who would "fight to the death" against discrimination of HOH and Deaf, would also fight to the death over the rights of American Citizens (regardless of race).
 
Of course.....That is why I added it doesn't show.

which is exactly why you can never intimately understand it but don't worry about that. It's understandable and common. The only thing that matters is that you are not insidiously & covertly racist. God bless you.
 
I believe most LEO's will honor their oath and follow the law. Unless there is a reasonable question about the athenticity of the DL the LEO is going to have a hard time explaining why he went beyond the DL to determine citizenship. Remember, the illegal immigrants will still get hearings. For the LEO bad apples, they don't need this law......they are bad apples.......they will find a way with or without this law. ie planting drugs.




Actually you didn't explain anything. You suggested two instances that would be racial profiling. You didn't explain how you would determine the intent of the LEO. Perhaps the intent would be determined in hearings .....say the LEO had made five arrests for illegal immigration after jaywalking stops but the same LEO had never issued a jaywalking citation prior to the immigration law. In that case it would be reasonable to assume that the LEO was racially profiling.

Problem here is...the law is subject to interpretation by the individual. Therefore, it is subject to misuse based on that particular individual's perspective. Get someone, for instance, like a particular member of this forum who has shown his covert racist attitudes over and over, and those attitudes influence the man behind the badge.What happens? His defense is, "I was following the law" but in reality, he was following his interpretation of the law which is influenced by his heuristic on people of a specific ethnic origin. Another problem occurs here...just because someone "looks Hispanic" or any other ethnicity, doesn't mean they are.
 
I doubt Txgolfer would lose his identity like Robert Downey did in Tropic Thunder. :lol:


Police Officers, not all of them, some of them, will use racial profiling. Some will not, and will still be accused of Racial Profiling. If they did not intend to, and without understanding certain things, accusations will fly.


Just like we have SOME Deaf that point fingers at Hearing People and accuse them of Audism, when some Hearing do not intend to or do not understand enough. Just like we have some Hearing who performs Audism intentionally.


So, police officers, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 
You do realize that even MSNBC was absolutely ..... stunned .... that this move is being overwhelmingly supported?

Looks like if you get your way, you will be prescribing antipsychotic medication to 64% of the American population ..... look on the bright side :giggle:

What you are failing to realize is that members who would "fight to the death" against discrimination of HOH and Deaf, would also fight to the death over the rights of American Citizens (regardless of race).

Support your claim with references, if you please.

What, exactly, does antipsychotic medication have to do with this topic? You have already shown yourself to be woefully ignorant on the topic in another thread. As well as on the topic of who does, and who doesn't, prescribe medications.

Your last statement is a comparison of apples and oranges. Please stick to pertinent comparisons.
 
True local story:

One middle-aged woman, driving SUV late at night, pulled over for license plate light not working. Received polite warning, no ticket.

One middle-aged woman, driving car at night, pulled over for license plate light not working. Received polite warning, no ticket.

One woman was black, one was white. Same city, within days of each other. Neither one claimed that the light was working. One driver claims racial profiling, one driver thanks the officer for pointing out the problem so she can get it fixed.

Question: How did the police officer see the skin color of the driver at night in an SUV (tinted windows) prior to making the stop?

How do you determine the "intent" from these facts?

Quite obviously, these are cases in which racial profiling would never have been applied. You will need to come up with something a bit more realistic and applicable to real life situations in which racial profiling should be considered as a variable to the decision to stop the individual.
 
Support your claim with references, if you please.

What, exactly, does antipsychotic medication have to do with this topic? You have already shown yourself to be woefully ignorant on the topic in another thread. As well as on the topic of who does, and who doesn't, prescribe medications.

Your last statement is a comparison of apples and oranges. Please stick to pertinent comparisons.

your the one making broad statements on how members of this forum are racist if they support this law. . . just saying.

I think your paranoid .....
 
Of course.....That is why I added it doesn't show.

And in that case, you are already receiving what is known as "white privilege" without even being aware of it. That isn't to say that you are intentionally taking advantage...just that it is an advantage that is bestowed upon you and which influences decisions about you on a daily basis.
 
your the one making broad statements on how members of this forum are racist if they support this law. . . just saying.

I think your paranoid .....

but you also said if we do not support this law - we are aiding & abetting illegal aliens.
 
your the one making broad statements on how members of this forum are racist if they support this law. . . just saying.

I think your paranoid .....

I think you should leave the diagnosing to someone qualified to do so.

And you still have not justified any connection of antipsychotic medication to this thread. It would appear that you are having difficulty functioning in reality.

And, it's "you're".
 
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