Teen Receives 196-Year Prison Sentence

VamPyroX said:
You're right. If they did something minor, that would be understandable. However, burglary... armed robbery... possession of firearm... all at once, that's pretty severe. How can this be seen as a minor misunderstanding?
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I din't say it was a minor misunderstanding. I said that someone of this age is generally not considered to be capable of making judgements in the same way that someone of an older age is. They have not achieved the developmental stages necessary to have that level of cognitive function.

By minor status, I meant that the individual who has not reached the age of majority and is considered an adult is a minor, and minors are considered dependent because they have not reached the age to function without supervision and custody of a parent or guardian.
 
jillio said:
No, what you gave me was Wiki sources. And you cannot provide proof even with valid research. You can only provide support. That was not my site, it was Leibling's site. Your budget was the entire state budget, not the budget pertaining to carrying out the death penalty. Leibling's site provided more accurrate information, in that budget information was pertinent only to carrying out the death sentence.

Like I said, please provide those computations for me. One can only show raw data when one has done the research themselves. Raw data is not included in research reports. Statistically analyzed data is included in research reports.

What record keeping agencies did you use that provided you with raw data? The numbers coming from agencies has already been analyzed statistically, and therefore is not raw data. If you are performing statistical analysis on data that has already been analyzed, particularly without knowing methods of data collection for those numbers, it is quite obvious that your knowledge in the area of statisitics is minimal to say the least.

I can be certain, because I use reliable research, not Wiki. I can be sure because I am capable of reading and interpreting the research. I am certain because I have extensive knowledge regarding statistical analysis.

Rather than doing my homework for me, I would suggest that you do some homework of your own. Perhaps you would increase your knowledge base.

BTW, I think you are confusing this thread with posts you have made in a thread on the death penalty. They are not one and the same. This thread is not about the death penalty. It is about the inequities of applied justice.
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wiki sources? I'm confused. where? the only source I've given you in here is from Bureau of Justice.
 
REEEBAAAAA?!?!??!?! Ya'll needs to get that lawyah servin' his populations! :lol:
 
jiro123 said:
wiki sources? I'm confused. where? the only source I've given you in here is from Bureau of Justice.
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Like I said, you confused this thread with the other thread you are posting in. Please refer back and read.
 
Reba said:
Something doesn't smell right. "Cory Demond Linder pleaded guilty". He plead guilty. Usually defendants don't plead guilty unless they have a deal for a reduced sentence. Obviously, this guy didn't get a reduced sentence. There must be more to this story. :hmm:
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Yeah, something stinks here. I'd not plead guilty if I knew I was facing a sentence like that one.
 
VamPyroX said:
Well, if the crime is severe and they can prove that those teens knew what they were doing... then those teens can be tried as adults.
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Well, did all the schools teach teens about the laws ? What did all the schools teach them ? I don't think the teens know alot about the laws that they shouldn't be doing. Same thing for small children, they don't know nothin' about the laws as well. Both teens and small children don't have any concept of how to control their " bridle " around the horse's mouth just like most adults do. Adults know better than teens and small children.
 
jillio said:
Like I said, you confused this thread with the other thread you are posting in. Please refer back and read.
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but.... uh..... I'm not confused. Can you kindly point out where in my postings did I get the source from wiki?
 
jiro123 said:
but.... uh..... I'm not confused. Can you kindly point out where in my postings did I get the source from wiki?
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I've already pointed it out. You are the one that got your posts confused. Again, please refer back and read carefully. Let me give you a clue. Go back to post # 73. You will see that you clearly copnfused the death penalty thread with this thread. They are not the same topic.
 
Maria said:
. . .Both teens and small children don't have any concept of how to control their " bridle " around the horse's mouth just like most adults do. Adults know better than teens and small children.
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Tell me about this "bridle" . . .
 
Hey, America... Congratulations on being number one in prision population ratio! Don't you realize that USA got the highest ratio for a person confined in prison?

Know what is real best solution? Follow the China's way...

HARD LABOR CAMP! no break no loafing no nothing...

Image if a person knew there will be hard labor, would they commit crimes? I don't think so, right now most of them knew if they ended up in jail, all they do is loafing, eat, sleep, that is it. Too easy for them, and they usually don't mind that at all.. That is the problem...

I prefer them work 14-16 hours a day no break, no vacation, no nothing, just work... they will end up hate it so much and will straight themselves up in no time..

As for this teenager criminal, the best thing is labor camp or boot camp and this person will definetly change to decent citizen in about 10 years.
 
diehardbiker said:
Hey, America... Congratulations on being number one in prision population ratio! Don't you realize that USA got the highest ratio for a person confined in prison?

Know what is real best solution? Follow the China's way...

HARD LABOR CAMP! no break no loafing no nothing...

Image if a person knew there will be hard labor, would they commit crimes? I don't think so, right now most of them knew if they ended up in jail, all they do is loafing, eat, sleep, that is it. Too easy for them, and they usually don't mind that at all.. That is the problem...

I prefer them work 14-16 hours a day no break, no vacation, no nothing, just work... they will end up hate it so much and will straight themselves up in no time..

As for this teenager criminal, the best thing is labor camp or boot camp and this person will definetly change to decent citizen in about 10 years.
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hear hear! diehardbiker for President!! :smash: That way - we won't have any more silly debates like death penalty or high cost of life imprisonment.
 
If you don't want to do the time, then don't do the crime.
 
Here's the response from my lawyer friend:

I looked into it a bit, but don't know much more about it than what we read. I don't know anyone up that way who would have any real knowledge of the situation. That was quite a little crime spree he went on, including two armed robberies. Still, that was an unusual sentence. My best guess is that he already had a pretty extensive criminal record involving serious crimes, possibly stretching back into his early teen years. If that is the case, the criminal justice system probably just came to the end of the road with him.

The judge in this case has been around a long time, so I don't think it would be a reaction to any prior criticism. I don't think this particular judge would react to criticism one way or the other.

I hope this sheds a little light.
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Reba said:
Here's the response from my lawyer friend:
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That's what I was thinking too.

It has happened at RIT in several situations. One time, there was this student who was fired from her job. She did something that most of us would see as deserving a slap-on-the-wrist if we were good workers. But in her case, she got fired for it. She told everyone that she got fired for no good reason. What everyone didn't know was that she had a 8-month history of causing problems one after another. She was often late for meetings, reports, projects, programs, etc. She was also not around to do her job. She constantly blamed other people for her problems. Even though they were all minor, it kept building up more and more.

It's like a person holding a huge cup. That person can hold that cup with ease while others drop small pebbles into it. As the cup fills up, it becomes harder to hold... but not too much that the person can still hold on. Suddenly, someone drops a couple big rocks in it. What happens? That person loses his/her grip and drops the cup.

That's what happened in this situation... this person did a bunch of small stuff, but doing something big enough was going over the line.
 
yup you are right! excatly! diehardbiker that one!

sad all judge look for money, not send boot camp something like that..
 
VamPyroX said:
That's what I was thinking too.

It has happened at RIT in several situations. One time, there was this student who was fired from her job. She did something that most of us would see as deserving a slap-on-the-wrist if we were good workers. But in her case, she got fired for it. She told everyone that she got fired for no good reason. What everyone didn't know was that she had a 8-month history of causing problems one after another. She was often late for meetings, reports, projects, programs, etc. She was also not around to do her job. She constantly blamed other people for her problems. Even though they were all minor, it kept building up more and more.

It's like a person holding a huge cup. That person can hold that cup with ease while others drop small pebbles into it. As the cup fills up, it becomes harder to hold... but not too much that the person can still hold on. Suddenly, someone drops a couple big rocks in it. What happens? That person loses his/her grip and drops the cup.

That's what happened in this situation... this person did a bunch of small stuff, but doing something big enough was going over the line.
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that's a good wisdom talking! pebble and cup... good one
 
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