Teen Receives 196-Year Prison Sentence

Something doesn't smell right. "Cory Demond Linder pleaded guilty". He plead guilty. Usually defendants don't plead guilty unless they have a deal for a reduced sentence. Obviously, this guy didn't get a reduced sentence. There must be more to this story. :hmm:
 
jiro123 said:
I don't believe any ONE thing from that link. It is very subjective and misleading. After all..... the site is anti-death penalty. I don't think I'm willing to do extensive research on numbers in detail unless I get paid to do it :o

HOWEVER - it is true that death penalty costs more than life imprisonment but why I say the data from that site is a horseshit because they're probably using a different kind of estimation which they tend to use upper limit of error to make their case looks shocking.

Statistic from that site - Year 2006:
1. 3,350 total number of death row inmates in USA
2. 660 death row inmates in California
3. California taxpayers pay at least $117 million each year post-trial seeking execution of the people currently on death row
4. More than 3500 men and woman have received this sentence in California since 1978 and NOT ONE has been released, except those few individuals who were able to prove their innocence.
(data from Bureau of Justice)
1. 2006 - there are 3,228 inmates in USA awaiting for execution
2. 669 death row inmates in CA
3. 13 have been executed since 1976 in CA
4. 3 has been freed from death row
5. CA's 2006 State Budget: $131 Billion

now you see why I don't believe any one single bit from the site? It will shock you, scare you, mislead you into believing death penalty is wrong and incredibly expensive! It is difficult and time-consuming for me to research deeply in how the cost is spent and how the lost cost is recovered so I don't think it raises a serious concern on how much money taxpayers pay for it because I'm sure CA recovered some of it back through other means although... the cost it spent on death row inmates surely looks minuscule from $131 billion, don't ya think?! :dunno2:
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If you are unwilling to do the research to support your viewpoint, then how can you be certain that your beliefs are based on the truth of the situation? You claim to support the death penalty, but you are unwilling to learn for yourself the statisitics that validate your claims. We call that a willingness to live in ignorance, and closed mindedness.

If you want to get a realistic picture of that which you support, you might question exactly why 3 inmates in CA have been released from death row. The clue is in red in your post. And the statistics you have posted do not conflict with the statistics from the previous site. In fact, they are in agreement.
 
I've sent an email to my lawyer friend (and former chief of police) to see if he can provide me with more information. It's out of his jurisdiction but he has special interest in youthful offenders, so he might be able to get me a contact or more information.
 
Reba said:
I've sent an email to my lawyer friend (and former chief of police) to see if he can provide me with more information. It's out of his jurisdiction but he has special interest in youthful offenders, so he might be able to get me a contact or more information.
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Great! Thanks for that effort! I'll be interested in his reply.
 
it is little bit too much for teenager but he deserved what he did.

THINK about that if that happened to him in muslim country, his hands would be cut off for a simple stealing. he should be thankful for this country. he knew it was wrong to steal but he chose that way.
 
The State of South Carolina recognizes a person to be an adult at the age of 18.

Why are some people calling this two-time armed robber (18 when he committed the crimes and 19 when sentenced) a "child" or a "teen"?

This discussion is turning into a Death Penalty issue. I'll be posting in the Death Penalty thread to prove that the anti-Death Penalty folks are making sentimental, fraudulent claims. In this thread, I'll say that the Death Penalty cannot be applied to this violent criminal because - he's eligible for parole.
 
Wokamuka said:
The State of South Carolina recognizes a person to be an adult at the age of 18.

Why are some people calling this two-time armed robber (18 when he committed the crimes and 19 when sentenced) a "child" or a "teen"?

This discussion is turning into a Death Penalty issue. I'll be posting in the Death Penalty thread to prove that the anti-Death Penalty folks are making sentimental, fraudulent claims. In this thread, I'll say that the Death Penalty cannot be applied to this violent criminal because - he's eligible for parole.
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Eighteen, nineteen. He's eligble for parole after 188 years. Let's see...that would make him 205 years old when he goes before the parole board. I'm pretty sure they don't grant parole posthumously.
 
jillio said:
If you are unwilling to do the research to support your viewpoint, then how can you be certain that your beliefs are based on the truth of the situation? You claim to support the death penalty, but you are unwilling to learn for yourself the statisitics that validate your claims. We call that a willingness to live in ignorance, and closed mindedness.

If you want to get a realistic picture of that which you support, you might question exactly why 3 inmates in CA have been released from death row. The clue is in red in your post. And the statistics you have posted do not conflict with the statistics from the previous site. In fact, they are in agreement.
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Actually - I've already researched and have not found any evidence that we have wrongfully-executed a person. I have SUFFICIENTLY given you proof from reliable source but you did not - only from some site that is anti-death penalty. I've shown that your site omit certain details and did not give sufficiently give budget in details.

The question is also - how can YOU be certain that death penalty costs more than life imprisonment? The reason why I'm not willing to do extensive research is because you are not willing to do same. I'll wait until you can show me raw data with interpretation of your own. For ie - I compiled statistic from record-keeping agencies (free of biased) and then I did number-crunching based on it and interpreted it. You did not so why should I waste my time to do homework for you?
 
jillio said:
Eighteen, nineteen. He's eligble for parole after 188 years. Let's see...that would make him 205 years old when he goes before the parole board. I'm pretty sure they don't grant parole posthumously.
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If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
 
Wokamuka said:
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
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You asked why people were referring to him as a teen. I demonstrated.

The time he is being asked to do is excessive for the crime committed. This is not justice. It is evidence of the problems within our justice system.
 
jiro123 said:
Actually - I've already researched and have not found any evidence that we have wrongfully-executed a person. I have SUFFICIENTLY given you proof from reliable source but you did not - only from some site that is anti-death penalty. I've shown that your site omit certain details and did not give sufficiently give budget in details.

The question is also - how can YOU be certain that death penalty costs more than life imprisonment? The reason why I'm not willing to do extensive research is because you are not willing to do same. I'll wait until you can show me raw data with interpretation of your own. For ie - I compiled statistic from record-keeping agencies (free of biased) and then I did number-crunching based on it and interpreted it. You did not so why should I waste my time to do homework for you?
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No, what you gave me was Wiki sources. And you cannot provide proof even with valid research. You can only provide support. That was not my site, it was Leibling's site. Your budget was the entire state budget, not the budget pertaining to carrying out the death penalty. Leibling's site provided more accurrate information, in that budget information was pertinent only to carrying out the death sentence.

Like I said, please provide those computations for me. One can only show raw data when one has done the research themselves. Raw data is not included in research reports. Statistically analyzed data is included in research reports.

What record keeping agencies did you use that provided you with raw data? The numbers coming from agencies has already been analyzed statistically, and therefore is not raw data. If you are performing statistical analysis on data that has already been analyzed, particularly without knowing methods of data collection for those numbers, it is quite obvious that your knowledge in the area of statisitics is minimal to say the least.

I can be certain, because I use reliable research, not Wiki. I can be sure because I am capable of reading and interpreting the research. I am certain because I have extensive knowledge regarding statistical analysis.

Rather than doing my homework for me, I would suggest that you do some homework of your own. Perhaps you would increase your knowledge base.

BTW, I think you are confusing this thread with posts you have made in a thread on the death penalty. They are not one and the same. This thread is not about the death penalty. It is about the inequities of applied justice.
 
Maria said:
Yeah, I agree with some of you ---

The question is : Are they going to do the same thing to young children ( not to mention " teens " ) ? :hmm: I am very concerned about this one. I've seen some laws are very harsh on small young ones such as forbidden to hug a teacher in class - remember ? Not just only that, but a toy gun, too... and other few things. Ridiculous....
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Well, if the crime is severe and they can prove that those teens knew what they were doing... then those teens can be tried as adults.
 
VamPyroX said:
Well, if the crime is severe and they can prove that those teens knew what they were doing... then those teens can be tried as adults.
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That happens in rare cases. But it is generally accepted that teens simply do not have the cognitive capacity to reason as adults do. That's why they have minor status.
 
Again, the State of South Carolina considers a person aged 18 and older to be an adult.
 
Wokamuka said:
Again, the State of South Carolina considers a person aged 18 and older to be an adult.
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Oh, and are they granted all of the rights and priviledges of someone who has reached the age of 21?

But quite frankly, that has nothing to do with the fact that this sentence would be excessive at the age of 19, 29, 39, 49, etc. It is not about his age. It is about the excessiveness of the sentence and the inequity of application.
 
jillio said:
But quite frankly, that has nothing to do with the fact that this sentence would be excessive at the age of 19, 29, 39, 49, etc. It is not about his age. It is about the excessiveness of the sentence and the inequity of application.
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If that is the point, then let's refer to the criminal not as a "teen" but for what he is: a convicted, repeat armed robber.
 
Wokamuka said:
If that is the point, then let's refer to the criminal not as a "teen" but for what he is: a convicted, repeat armed robber.
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If he is nineteen, he is a teen[/B.

Convicted with an unjust sentence. I suggest you wait until Reba is able to supply us with some inside inforamtion regarding the motivating political factors for the unjust sentence he has received. The question is not regarding his conviction, but rather the excessiveness of the sentence based on that conviction. And we might find that his guilty plea was not entirely voluntary, either.
 
jillio said:
That happens in rare cases. But it is generally accepted that teens simply do not have the cognitive capacity to reason as adults do. That's why they have minor status.
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You're right. If they did something minor, that would be understandable. However, burglary... armed robbery... possession of firearm... all at once, that's pretty severe. How can this be seen as a minor misunderstanding?
 
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