Survey of Bi-Bi programs - Empirical Article

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rockdrummer said:
The title and content of the article suggest otherwise. This review is about considering the claims of Bilingual-Bicultural Models of Literacy Education for Deaf students.

The claims examined are;

Linguistic Interdependance
The use of native sign languages
Written Language as L2
And Whole language top down models

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And all lead back to the differences in top down and bottom up processing, and whether it is beneficial to use teaching methods that utilize a specific form of processing when teaching literacy to deaf children. A whole language approach as utilized by ASL as the L1, or a phonetic approach as utilized by spoken English as the L1. Linguistic interdependence theory discusses the ways in which L1 acquisition influences subsequent language learning.
 
Tousi said:
Typos and consistent grammatical errors are worlds apart!
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Agreed...

It is either we address it or ignore it. To each to its own.

I would rather know the truth if my English was lousy instead of being led to believe that it was good and I continue to keep making the same errors. Anyone is free to tell me if I make any mistakes. It is no sweat off my back. I know I am not perfect and I make errors and sometimes I doubt my writing. I know I lack in a strong vocabulary base.
 
rockdrummer said:
I really don't want to harp on this but only wish to make a point that I believe we have all experienced. While most of the time I try to take my time and type things out there are times where I am either in a hurry or maybe getting sleepy or I don't have time to run my posts through the grammar and spellchecker and my post ends up riddled with spelling and grammar errors. There are also times where I am responding to a heated post and am emotional about it and that also causes me to make many mistakes. I don't always have time to go back and edit the mistakes out of my posts. I see this many times from many people. That in no way suggests that the educational system has failed me nor should it be used as an example to support that claim. Just my two cents.

By the way Jillio... you misspelled educational and criticizing in the post above *Ducking :lol:
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Thanks for pointing that out. A typo, however, is not a grammatical error. And if you don't want to harp on it, I would suggest letting it go.
 
rockdrummer said:
I'ts always been an annual thing with my boy and I assumed all deaf kids had them. I never imagined it was being used in a distorted fashion.
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It was used in a distored fashion for me by putting me in classrooms full of 30 plus hearing kids without any visual aids. The solution was to put me in front of the class with adequate lighting. Like I can lipread and catch what everyone is saying 100% of the time. I think it was more like 10% of the time. That is called a distorted use of my IEP.
 
rockdrummer said:
The best option in my view is going to have to be evaluated on a case by case basis. Dare I say... One size doesn't' fit all.
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Good luck with that approach when it comes to educational policy. While that may be efficient in an IEP meeting, it hardly works when setting policy. But, hey, give it a try.
 
shel90 said:
Agreed...

It is either we address it or ignore it. To each to its own.

I would rather know the truth if my English was lousy instead of being led to believe that it was good and I continue to keep making the same errors. Anyone is free to tell me if I make any mistakes. It is no sweat off my back. I know I am not perfect and I make errors and sometimes I doubt my writing. I know I lack in a strong vocabulary base.
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Hmmmm, if it was me trying to help you, that would be a problem since I don't know the rules of grammar so I am not about to say, "Listen, honey, here's the right way to say that...." and not be able to explain why. :D:lol:
 
Jolie77 said:
Hi, Well in order to get a full exposure - they would also need to be directed to it on a daily basis rather than having a visual and auditory therapy for few hours of the week. This is what I meant by having full exposure hence the 24/7 thing rather than limiting the idea of how to obtain that.
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Jolie - I do not understand this part of your post: "they would also need to be directed to it on a daily basis rather than having a visual and auditory therapy for few hours of the week."

Cueing can/is is used all the time (all day) in families with their children. It can/is also used in the edcuational setting.

Here is an article about a family that cues: from the Parenting section of alldeaf. http://www.alldeaf.com/parenting/57409-unique-family.html

Hope I am on the right track here.
 
Tousi said:
Hmmmm, if it was me trying to help you, that would be a problem since I don't know the rules of grammar so I am not about to say, "Listen, honey, here's the right way to say that...." and not be able to explain why. :D:lol:
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LOL! But seriously, I hope someone will tell me if I make consistent similar errors with my English. I am always looking to improve my literacy skills...as we were taught in the teaching program..."learning never stops" and I take that to heart. :)
 
Bottesini said:
I don't think you are harping on it. I think it is important because I know when I get angry and upset my grammar and writing show it. I am certain I am not the only one. It is really counterproductive to dispirit someone who is trying to contribute, by pointing out their shortcomings.
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:gpost: Thank you! and I tried to inject a little humor but that backfired.
 
rockdrummer said:
I really don't want to harp on this but only wish to make a point that I believe we have all experienced. While most of the time I try to take my time and type things out there are times where I am either in a hurry or maybe getting sleepy or I don't have time to run my posts through the grammar and spellchecker and my post ends up riddled with spelling and grammar errors. There are also times where I am responding to a heated post and am emotional about it and that also causes me to make many mistakes. I don't always have time to go back and edit the mistakes out of my posts. I see this many times from many people. That in no way suggests that the educational system has failed me nor should it be used as an example to support that claim. Just my two cents.

By the way Jillio... you misspelled educational and criticizing in the post above *Ducking :lol:
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:lol:

Yea..the same thing happens to me.
 
rockdrummer said:
I believe access and exposure to both languages is important. The question of which one and where in my view depends on if the parents are deaf native signers or hearing non signers.
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I would agree with you RD.
 
jillio said:
Good luck with that approach when it comes to educational policy. While that may be efficient in an IEP meeting, it hardly works when setting policy. But, hey, give it a try.
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I didn't view the question as being about educational policy. But with regard to educational policy and change, what needs to be accomplished before such changes will be accepted and implemented?
 
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