Subway Jared Fogle to guilty on child porn charges

[diehardbiker]

Yes, parents are still legally responsible for their children at age 16 until 18.

Exactly, parents are the one who makes final decisions for their own children and no sane parents would ever allow their own kids selling themselves.

 

[Jezie]

I wonder how much more car insurance costs for a 16-year-old not attached to a parent's policy? Also, what about health insurance? I know they can't sign rental contracts. They can buy a car if they have the cash but they can't get a loan for it.

They can drop out of school if they have parental consent (check the state's law for details).

Yes, parents are still legally responsible for their children at age 16 until 18.

It is difficult for a 16 year old to get car insurance... At least here... As for looking it up, nationwide is between 16 and 18 they can drop out of school. Not much a parent can do at 16 here... A lot of kids quite at that age, parent permission or not.

 

[hoichi]

I can understand not liking "magic numbers" and understand it. But often in discussion it comes to a teenager and you argue well they are not kids thus XYZ.... So, I am kind of looking for a reference.
16 they can drop out of school, but they cannot buy a car, rent a car or hotel, drink, must have parental/adult supervision to drive before thewhere i y can get their license, their parents are still legally liable for them for school, home, clothes, and other basic needs... Even working they have extreme restrictions placed on them...
Speaking mentally developed woulf be a tricky call because people are not fully mentally developed until their 30s...
So if not a magic number... What criteria makes one an adult?

As for your question... Of the list, they can only quit school... At 16 with parental or adult assistance they can get a license but the parents can still be held liable for what the 16 year old does... As for the rest, they cannot... At least not here, or other states I have lived in.

Where i am. 16 year ods can work, can quit school, can own a car, can have a license

My point in this was just replying to rr calling16 year olds children.
I dont think they are.
If they are.
Then i ask in your case why are children permitted to quit school then?

Indeed magic numbees suck.

Thats why i avoid that idea when.it comes to human biengs

 

[hoichi]

Some can. Not all. Some are still very immature at 16.
.

Sure..and plenty of 30 year olds are immature at 30?
Are 30 year olds children too?

I also know that many 16 year olds are still children.d.

And i know plenty of 20 year olds who see themselves and still act as children too
Are they?

Just because a 16-year-old is different from a 5-year-old it doesn't mean the 16-year-old is ready to move out.d.

So they are different. Indeed. So why use the same word cor different things?

Why call a 5 year old a child and a 16 year old a child

Which is preety whell my point in all this..
Meh

It's not magic but there has to be some objective cut off for legal purposes.d.

But if both 5 year olds and 16 year olds are children why?

Seems silly doesnt it
Mmmmmmmm...

Children are not allowed to do all those things without restrictions, at least not in the USA. You have been misinformed.

Ive also been misunderstood.

Here is my point in a nut shell..

I have no issues with peoply looking at and pantering to 16 year olds as wee children.
Its common.enough.
Cool
But in my opinion and my experience, obviously yours is different
The longer people see an individual as a chilld, and cater to them as a child, the longer that individual will see themselves and remain and act as a child.

I see not much positive in viewing 16 year olds as children

Thats my opinion of course, clearly a minority one.
But im ok with that.

 

[hoichi]

Exactly, parents are the one who makes final decisions for their own children and no sane parents would ever allow their own kids selling themselves.

Ive never stated otherwise brother..

 

[Jezie]

Where i am. 16 year ods can work, can quit school, can own a car, can have a license

My point in this was just replying to rr calling16 year olds children.
I dont think they are.
If they are.
Then i ask in your case why are children permitted to quit school then?

Indeed magic numbees suck.

Thats why i avoid that idea when.it comes to human biengs

Curious... Where you are, are parents still responsible for for their 16 year olds... Also curious... Some sites states that Canada has similarity in this such as Ontario and New Brunswick students have mandatory schooling until the age of 18... And goes further to show that it is not so different where some require parental approval and the like...
I do agree with a statement you made about the longer one is treated as a child the longer they will act as one... Yet, it does not mean that in one fell swoop the child (offspring if it fits better for you ) is suddenly self sufficient and should be on their own... I dislike magic numbers because maturing is different and individualized... There is no switch that suddenly gets flipped... Only a slow progression of milestones, sometimes only realized after the fact.
As for your question... I do not know for a fact why students in some states can drop out at 16 (most only with parental approval). I do know there is a movement to raise the age to 18 in more and more states... While I could hazard a guess as to why, that is all it would be; a guess...

 

[hoichi]

Curious... Where you are, are parents still responsible for for their 16 year olds... Also curious... Some sites states that Canada has similarity in this such as Ontario and New Brunswick students have mandatory schooling until the age of 18... And goes further to show that it is not so different where some require parental approval and the like...
I do agree with a statement you made about the longer one is treated as a child the longer they will act as one... Yet, it does not mean that in one fell swoop the child (offspring if it fits better for you ) is suddenly self sufficient and should be on their own... I dislike magic numbers because maturing is different and individualized... There is no switch that suddenly gets flipped... Only a slow progression of milestones, sometimes only realized after the fact.
As for your question... I do not know for a fact why students in some states can drop out at 16 (most only with parental approval). I do know there is a movement to raise the age to 18 in more and more states... While I could hazard a guess as to why, that is all it would be; a guess...

Its never one full swoop of anything...
Thats a plm with magick numbers.

I know a few in my time here who quit school at 16.
Wether the laws have changed or just where ignored to me is besides the point i was trying to make which i failed at,


The web will answer any beurocratic or legislativw questions you have.

Easy enough.

Of course those awnsers wont convince me 16 year olds or 20 year olds are children.

I find it more productive to view those in those ages as something different then a child

I highly doubt any .gov body will convince me otherwise.

 

[Reba]

Sure..and plenty of 30 year olds are immature at 30?
Are 30 year olds children too?

In some cases they are deemed incapable of living on their own.

And i know plenty of 20 year olds who see themselves and still act as children too
Are they?

Legally? They wouldn't be called children but they don't have all the legal rights of someone age 21 and over. Legally, unless they have a disability that requires them to remain dependents, their parents aren't responsible for them at that age.

So they are different. Indeed. So why use the same word cor different things?

What word, and what different things?

Why call a 5 year old a child and a 16 year old a child.

Why not?

My daughter is a grown 42-year-old woman but she'll always be my child--I didn't disown her.

"Child" doesn't always mean toddler or adolescent. It can also show a relationship.

Which is preety whell my point in all this..
Meh

But if both 5 year olds and 16 year olds are children why?

Seems silly doesnt it
Mmmmmmmm…

No, it doesn't. Of course, they can both be children. If I had a 5-year-old son and a 16-year-old daughter I wouldn't say that I had only one child. I would say that I have two children of different ages.

Ive also been misunderstood.

Here is my point in a nut shell..

I have no issues with peoply looking at and pantering to 16 year olds as wee children.
Its common.enough.
Cool

That's a different topic, and it certainly isn't my viewpoint. I never posted anything about pandering to 16-year-olds or treating them like "wee" children. Not at all. You really exaggerate.

But in my opinion and my experience, obviously yours is different
The longer people see an individual as a chilld, and cater to them as a child, the longer that individual will see themselves and remain and act as a child.

I've never posted anything about catering to children--not even close to that. Just because I don't want to shove 16-year-olds onto the streets doesn't mean I want them to remain and act as a small child.

I see not much positive in viewing 16 year olds as children

Thats my opinion of course, clearly a minority one.
But im ok with that.

I see nothing positive in viewing 16-year-olds as meat to be thrown out on the street.

 

[Jezie]

Its never one full swoop of anything...
Thats a plm with magick numbers.

I know a few in my time here who quit school at 16.
Wether the laws have changed or just where ignored to me is besides the point i was trying to make which i failed at,


The web will answer any beurocratic or legislativw questions you have.

Easy enough.

Of course those awnsers wont convince me 16 year olds or 20 year olds are children.

I find it more productive to view those in those ages as something different then a child

I highly doubt any .gov body will convince me otherwise.

That I can understand... Personally do not think you failed at making the point, it is just one that many have a hard time with. Maybe they forget how they were at 16, or maybe they remember too well... Teenage years is a different age especially mid and latter years yet outside of some maturing and life experience I think not much different from their adult selves...

 

[Reba]

That I can understand... Personally do not think you failed at making the point, it is just one that many have a hard time with. Maybe they forget how they were at 16, or maybe they remember too well... Teenage years is a different age especially mid and latter years yet outside of some maturing and life experience I think not much different from their adult selves...

I didn't forget when I was 16. I was attending high school, didn't drive, didn't drink, didn't do dope, and didn't date. Neither I nor my friends desired to become "working girls." I spent half that year living in San Diego, and the other half in Connecticut. (My younger brother and I flew from CT to CA alone, and then took the bus back alone.)

After high school graduation I worked 40-60 hours per week except for the two weeks I took off to backpack tour Ecuador with a friend. When I was 19 I enlisted in the Navy (during the Vietnam war).

I've also raised a teenager (who is now a very independent adult), and have college-age grandsons, so I'm not living in an ivory tower.

I realize that some 16-year-olds are forced into adult situations but that's not to mean it's preferable or even the most common way to grow up.

 

[Jezie]

I didn't forget when I was 16. I was attending high school, didn't drive, didn't drink, didn't do dope, and didn't date. Neither I nor my friends desired to become "working girls." I spent half that year living in San Diego, and the other half in Connecticut. (My younger brother and I flew from CT to CA alone, and then took the bus back alone.)

After high school graduation I worked 40-60 hours per week except for the two weeks I took off to backpack tour Ecuador with a friend. When I was 19 I enlisted in the Navy (during the Vietnam war).

I've also raised a teenager (who is now a very independent adult), and have college-age grandsons, so I'm not living in an ivory tower.

I realize that some 16-year-olds are forced into adult situations but that's not to mean it's preferable or even the most common way to grow up.

That is awesome... Yet each person is different... When I was 16 I had been on the streets for two years living in a drug house... Options were few and if I did not learn a lesson upon walking in the front door who knows what path I would have taken...
It's not force really... But survival... Heck some girls go to that line of work of their own free will and and some happily... Yes many are hoodwinked but that is not the case for all working girls... You had things available to you that many, I would say all in my neck of the woods, do not understand... Touring Ecuador had to be cool... But it is not something that 16 year old me could ever fathom... All that travel again cool... Being alone... Sure that has some independence to it... But still... Who footed your bills at 16?
Alone, without support you survive, adept, or die... Regardless of age...

 

[Reba]

That is awesome... Yet each person is different... When I was 16 I had been on the streets for two years living in a drug house... Options were few and if I did not learn a lesson upon walking in the front door who knows what path I would have taken...
It's not force really... But survival... Heck some girls go to that line of work of their own free will and and some happily... Yes many are hoodwinked but that is not the case for all working girls…

I'm very sorry that you had that harsh experience. Like you post, options were few and it was a matter of survival. That doesn't make it a standard for 16-year-olds lives, I'm sure you would agree. Young people at that age shouldn't be put into that position of no options for survival.

You had things available to you that many, I would say all in my neck of the woods, do not understand... Touring Ecuador had to be cool... But it is not something that 16 year old me could ever fathom... All that travel again cool... Being alone... Sure that has some independence to it... But still... Who footed your bills at 16?

My brother and I were shipped back and forth because my parents divorced and remarried other people.

I paid for my trip (which was very bare bones) myself.

When I was 16 my parents supported me. My mom did the best she could with a very tight budget. We were poor. (That's how I kept out of trouble--I couldn't afford any vices.) My dad did pay child support but he had his own problems (he was an alcoholic and died from liver disease).

Alone, without support you survive, adept, or die... Regardless of age...

Yes. But it shouldn't be that way.

 

[Jezie]

I'm very sorry that you had that harsh experience. Like you post, options were few and it was a matter of survival. That doesn't make it a standard for 16-year-olds lives, I'm sure you would agree. Young people at that age shouldn't be put into that position of no options for survival.


My brother and I were shipped back and forth because my parents divorced and remarried other people.

I paid for my trip (which was very bare bones) myself.

When I was 16 my parents supported me. My mom did the best she could with a very tight budget. We were poor. (That's how I kept out of trouble--I couldn't afford any vices.) My dad did pay child support but he had his own problems (he was an alcoholic and died from liver disease).


Yes. But it shouldn't be that way.

I do not see my childhood as harsh... The girl who was getting used just so she could have a few sprinkles more... that is rough... Little girls getting brutalized because they believe that it curses AIDS.... That is harsh... Me? I lived, but no my childhood was not harsh.
Not everyone has parents that care for them and the streets are oddly the safest place for them. Some kids are made adults by their circumstances way before the laws ever catch up. And in such cases generally way before 16...
No one at any age should be in a situation where survival is just a footnote from death of body or soul; but that is the world we live in. To wear blinders because of what we want life to be like instead of seeing reality is a disservice to everyone of all ages.
But this switch point of childhood to adulthood, it really does not exisit except for how we treat members of society.
Look into history, the ages that people got jobs, married, had kids, and we're responsible for their households. What makes those 16 year olds different from the ones we have today?

 

[caz]

Is this guy famous for something a thread about him.
What people trying to say hoichi is 5yr old can and often do need hysterectomy reconstruction surgery of bowel if full penatration occurred there arms and shoulders discolated and child bleed to death.The antomy of 5year old slightly different to 16 yr old.The outcome of forced sex with 5yr old 16yr old dire consequences.i have seen. It with couple 7yr olds then these creeps put it on internet where scum bags like him get there jollies.The little girl I saw also got gonereah.What you saying is 16yr would have awareness true to a point but if you a parent at what point do you stop.The sign of good parenting is if by time they 18 leave home and take care of themselves you done job God gave you.Most if not all 16yr are venial little girls,who feeding a habit or forced and most working girls proberly had horrendous childhood a presious thing denied them .I think at this point most parents take law into own hands

 

[rockin'robin]

Is this guy famous for something a thread about him.
What people trying to say hoichi is 5yr old can and often do need hysterectomy reconstruction surgery of bowel if full penatration occurred there arms and shoulders discolated and child bleed to death.The antomy of 5year old slightly different to 16 yr old.The outcome of forced sex with 5yr old 16yr old dire consequences.i have seen. It with couple 7yr olds then these creeps put it on internet where scum bags like him get there jollies.The little girl I saw also got gonereah.What you saying is 16yr would have awareness true to a point but if you a parent at what point do you stop.The sign of good parenting is if by time they 18 leave home and take care of themselves you done job God gave you.Most if not all 16yr are venial little girls,who feeding a habit or forced and most working girls proberly had horrendous childhood a presious thing denied them .I think at this point most parents take law into own hands

Jarad Fogle was nothing but a "fattie"...who lost weight after eating Subway sandwiches daily.......Hell, I went into Subway one day (I do love 'em) and told the lady behind the glass..."I've eaten Subway for years and haven' lost a pound!"....She knew I was poking fun at Fogle...

Most likely, he couldn't get any sex when he was Fat.......so lost out on his young years....Subway paid him a lot of $$ to advertise their product....so he became rich....guessing too, his ego was so big, he thought he could get away with what he did....even tho' he was married and had kids.....

Guessing too....he'll lose a lot more weight when those 10-inchers get ahold of him.......maybe even the 12-inches or 14-inchers will get a go at it too....

 

[hoichi]

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In some cases they are deemed incapable of living on their own..

Sure

Legally? They wouldn't be called children but they don't have all the legal rights of someone age 21 and over. Legally, unless they have a disability that requires them to remain dependents, their parents aren't responsible for them at that age..

Legally they are termed minors.
Im not arguing legality.

IWhat word, and what different things?.

The word is children, plural for child.
A five or 8 year old or a 16 or 17 year old.
Are all the above, lets be clear biologicaly children, as in considered a child by stangers?

When you sed a 16 or 17 year old do you view them as wee children?
Yes or no?

IWhy not?.

Well, because a five year old or an 8 year old to me anyway are not the same as 16 or 17 year olds.
So using the same word for both seems silly

IMy daughter is a grown 42-year-old woman but she'll always be my child--I didn't disown her..

Sure but we both know in this discussion we are referring to the word children as used in the thread such as fogle had sex with children
Clearly you can see the difference

I"Child" doesn't always mean toddler or adolescent. It can also show a relationship..

Right,but in this thread regarding fogle it has been used in another way, as in fogle had sex with children, when clearly he did not.

INo, it doesn't. Of course, they can both be children. If I had a 5-year-old son and a 16-year-old daughter I wouldn't say that I had only one child. I would say that I have two children of different ages..

Alright

IThat's a different topic, and it certainly isn't my viewpoint. I never posted anything about pandering to 16-year-olds or treating them like "wee" children. Not at all. You really exaggerate..

No, i waz trying to show a point

II've never posted anything about catering to children--not even close to that. Just because I don't want to shove 16-year-olds onto the streets doesn't mean I want them to remain and act as a small child..

Alright

II see nothing positive in viewing 16-year-olds as meat to be thrown out on the street.

In this we agree

 

[hoichi]

Jarad Fogle was nothing but a "fattie"...who lost weight after eating Subway sandwiches daily.......Hell, I went into Subway one day (I do love 'em) and told the lady behind the glass..."I've eaten Subway for years and haven' lost a pound!"....She knew I was poking fun at Fogle...

Most likely, he couldn't get any sex when he was Fat.......so lost out on his young years....Subway paid him a lot of $$ to advertise their product....so he became rich....guessing too, his ego was so big, he thought he could get away with what he did....even tho' he was married and had kids.....

Guessing too....he'll lose a lot more weight when those 10-inchers get ahold of him.......maybe even the 12-inches or 14-inchers will get a go at it too....

Fantasy is cool
But why you hold the above sexual fantasy regarding dogle bieng ass raped is anybodies guess.

Its not healthy rr.....
Really.

As to fogle, again given his addiction to and peddling of porn in college i am not suprised in the least as to his pervisions and his depravity.

 

[Reba]

Sure

Legally they are termed minors.
Im not arguing legality.

The word is children, plural for child.
A five or 8 year old or a 16 or 17 year old.
Are all the above, lets be clear biologicaly children, as in considered a child by stingers?

Strangers? I have no idea what strangers consider. Since pedophiles are included in the stranger group it could mean that even the 5-year-olds aren't children to them.

When you sed a 16 or 17 year old do you view them as wee children?
Yes or no?

Wee children? No.
Children? Yes.

Well, because a five year old or an 8 year old to me anyway are not the same as 16 or 17 year olds.
So using the same word for both seems silly

Sure but we both know in this discussion we are referring to the word children as used in the thread such as fogle had sex with children
Clearly you can see the difference

Right,but in this thread regarding fogle it has been used in another way, as in fogle had sex with children, when clearly he did not.

Alright

No, i waz trying to show a point

Alright

In this we agree

OK. I'm getting off this carousel and moving on.

 

[hoichi]

Strangers? I have no idea what strangers consider. Since pedophiles are included in the stranger group it could mean that even the 5-year-olds aren't children to them.


Wee children? No.
Children? Yes.


OK. I'm getting off this carousel and moving on.

Cool

 

[rockin'robin]

Fantasy is cool
But why you hold the above sexual fantasy regarding dogle bieng ass raped is anybodies guess.

Its not healthy rr.....
Really.

As to fogle, again given his addiction to and peddling of porn in college i am not suprised in the least as to his pervisions and his depravity.