Subway Jared Fogle to guilty on child porn charges

[hoichi]

Only in technique. Both were equally wrong.


They did try to extradite him; it's the other countries that are keeping him.


Not by everyone, including me.

He was convicted.

Roman Polanski facts

Its not equel in any way..
From age, to actually paying for a.service...

Interesting you think so.though...

 

[hoichi]

I was refering to cell mates like Ben Dover and all the others...lmao

Hiring 16 year old working girls, doesnt really get you allot of plms inside..

Regardless.of his wealth...


Most and that is most cons wouldnt care too much about hiring 16 or 17 year old working girls.

We care about if the guy raped kids...

That gets you plms...

Not hiring 16 or 17 year od working girls

There is allot of wishfull thinking on this thread

Reality is, hiring working girls of 16 wont get you much plms on it own, inside.
Factor in his wealth, and the ability to.hire long term protection

And most of the wishfull thinking on here re.fogle getting ass raped.or what ever is juat a pipe.dream by some here.

Now
If for what ever reason fogle and those who have an interest in his safety cant or wont pay,,,,
Then indeed he will have plms
Those plms are not about moral outrage over hiring 16 year old working girls.
It will be simply about pay up or else.
Now....having stating reality...
Ill join the fantasy,..

Yes fogle is in for allot of ass raping...us cons really really really take exception to anyone hiring 16 year old.working girls...
He better whatch out.

Meh

 

[Reba]

Actually it does matter what they prefer to be called.

Ive worked with them closely, i escorted working.girls for some time. I have even lived with working girls.
They on the whole, if youve ever known any prefer worling.girl to being called whores or prostitutes.

You can ignore that all cool.

But dont wag a finger and.declare what they wish themselves to be called doesnt matter.

It most certainly does

Everyone is someones.child. no on.disputes this.
If you wish to call them whores or prostitutes, so be it
Others and they themselves prefer working girl.

Meh

May have doesnt cut it re evedence.

You and others with some.agenda.or.whatnot are just assuming..

Fine

Changing the name of what one does doesn't change the activity. You can call them working girls or ladies of the evening or whatever; that doesn't change the fact of what they're doing.

I thought that you supported accuracy in language and definitions.

If my child was a prostitute I wouldn't feel any better about that by calling her a working girl.

 

[Reba]

Its not equel in any way..
From age, to actually paying for a.service...

Interesting you think so.though...

They were equally guilty and equally convicted. It's not just what I think. It's fact.

 

[hoichi]

Changing the name of what one does doesn't change the activity. You can call them working girls or ladies of the evening or whatever; that doesn't change the fact of what they're doing.

I thought that you supported accuracy in language and definitions.

If my child was a prostitute I wouldn't feel any better about that by calling her a working girl.

I prefer actually using terms that describe a section of the populace, they themselves prefer to.be used to describe them.
Damn

Ive had this exact conversation with hearies regarding us bieng
Dumb

We prefer Deaf.
Hearies and some still ignore our wishes and atill ise dumb.

I believe peoples wishes as to what they are called from outsiders matters

Its rather simple with me.
That stated. Call them what ever suits yoir fancy..
Meh

One more thing.
The term working girl is a standard. For those of us from certain crosses of society.
And has been used for sometime.
Its not so much about making parents feel better
Its about using respectfull terms for the trade the girls work in.

 

[hoichi]

They were equally guilty and equally convicted. It's not just what I think. It's fact.

In that way sure.
So
You are stating drugging and raping a 13 year old girl is equel to hiring already working working girls of the age of 16 for theor seevice

Is this what your trying to have me believe?

Is it?
If so, i respect your opinion, but i cant nor will i agree woth it.

To me those acts are not at all equel

 

[Reba]

I prefer actually using terms that describe a section of the populace, they themselves prefer to.be used to describe them.
Damn

Ive had this exact conversation with hearies regarding us bieng
Dumb

We prefer Deaf.
Hearies and some still ignore our wishes and atill ise dumb.

I believe peoples wishes as to what they are called from outsiders matters

Its rather simple with me.
That stated. Call them what ever suits yoir fancy..
Meh

Your analogies are not equivalent.

"Dumb" is not an accurate term to be used with Deaf. It is not a euphemism for Deaf.

"Working girl" is a euphemism for prostitute. Prostitute is an accurate term.

One more thing.
The term working girl is a standard. For those of us from certain crosses of society.
And has been used for sometime.
Its not so much about making parents feel better
Its about using respectfull terms for the trade the girls work in.

It's not standard for general society.

You're the one who brought up the daughter relationship.

Why use respectful terms for an activity that is not respectable?

 

[Reba]

In that way sure.
So
You are stating drugging and raping a 13 year old girl is equel to hiring already working working girls of the age of 16 for theor seevice

Is this what your trying to have me believe?

Is it?
If so, i respect your opinion, but i cant nor will i agree woth it.

To me those acts are not at all equel

I'm not trying to have you believe anything. You're hung up on making excuses for men having sex with minors, and nothing I post can change that.

I'm posting my opinion, just like you can. My opinion is that men having sex with underage girls is wrong, whether or not the girls get paid. It is my opinion that money doesn't excuse despicable behavior.

 

[hoichi]

Your analogies are not equivalent.

"Dumb" is not an accurate term to be used with Deaf. It is not a euphemism for Deaf.

"Working girl" is a euphemism for prostitute. Prostitute is an accurate term.


It's not standard for general society.

You're the one who brought up the daughter relationship.

Why use respectful terms for an activity that is not respectable?

I never stated they were equevalent.

I was illustrating a point.

If your unable to see it. Cool

Prostitute is one term for it. But for many many many in the trade, they prefer working girl. To either whore, or prostitute as a descriptive for them

It was rr who.brought the daughter thing in. I was replying to her..

Why use respectfull terms for those working in the sex trade?
Well for a start,
They are after all someones daughters.
What does it cost you or anyone to use respective terms?

That stated.
Im not the one that took issue here,
Meh

 

[hoichi]

I'm not trying to have you believe anything. You're hung up on making excuses for men having sex with minors, and nothing I post can change that.

I'm posting my opinion, just like you can. My opinion is that men having sex with underage girls is wrong, whether or not the girls get paid. It is my opinion that money doesn't excuse despicable behavior.

Which excuses have i made?


I repsect your opinion,

mine is

16 year olds are not.children. they are old enough to drive, own vehicles, live on their own, quit school, work, the reality is their are working girls of that age, who get paid for a service.

In fogles case,these girls were already working, as in having sex for money, which also makes them criminals.

Fogle hired 16 year old already, working working girls.

Which to me, is far different then polanski drugging and raping a 13 year old.
Indeed in this our opinions differ.

Fine.

money doesnt excuse dispicble behavour,
I have never argued otherwise

 

[diehardbiker]

Hoichi, I would have to disagree with you.

Even though these girls was paid to perform whatever Jared S Fogle wanted them to do so, mind you, Jared is 37 years old, not a 19 years old pervert. Jared have been so successful that he should have known better to guard himself, because of his fame, good chances are there will be a plenty want to screw Jared in hope to win lawsuit against him. It had happened to Michael Jackson, and other celeberties, have not Jared learn valuable lessons from these unfortunate celeberties? In other words, Jared should have know better than that, why would he sub-standard himself?

In the eyes of law, anyone who are 17 yrs old and under are unable to make clear judgement. It takes mature to make right judgement. Yes, there are plenty jives that made poor judgement like murdering somebody, they still held responsible, so are their parents (If they are still alive) too.

Let me tell you, GOD! If I ever had a daughter and I would NEVER, GOD FORBIDDEN having her sell her own body, especially 17 or under, PERIOD! If had Jared made out with my daughter, I would have no problem tied his dick and balls with my Diesel powered truck rear hitch with raw torque and I would likely not even touch fuel pedal, but simply let the drive do its work EVEN if it means days in the joint, cause you know those prisoners who killed any perverts who raped somebody's children will be one on the top of totem pole, and that Jared is on the bottom of that totem pole.

Lastly, this is not Europe, or wherever... this is America, our ideology when it comes to sex with minors is hellish forbidden with small exceptions that those who are not even over 21 yrs old and have a consensual fun with 16 or 17 yrs old, that is it and I still don't approve that small exception but wont support a charge of felony if ever tried.

Can't wait hear that Jared moan and groan with pain from an inside style footlong! Cause his middle name is scumbag!

 

[diehardbiker]

And lastly, don't compare Jared with other celebrities that got away with, like Charlie Chaplain, you know NOT everybody get busted, a plenty of them got away does not justifies why Jared should get away with.

 

[hoichi]

Hoichi, I would have to disagree with you.

Even though these girls was paid to perform whatever Jared S Fogle wanted them to do so, mind you, Jared is 37 years old, not a 19 years old pervert. Jared have been so successful that he should have known better to guard himself, because of his fame, good chances are there will be a plenty want to screw Jared in hope to win lawsuit against him. It had happened to Michael Jackson, and other celeberties, have not Jared learn valuable lessons from these unfortunate celeberties? In other words, Jared should have know better than that, why would he sub-standard himself?

In the eyes of law, anyone who are 17 yrs old and under are unable to make clear judgement. It takes mature to make right judgement. Yes, there are plenty jives that made poor judgement like murdering somebody, they still held responsible, so are their parents (If they are still alive) too.

Let me tell you, GOD! If I ever had a daughter and I would NEVER, GOD FORBIDDEN having her sell her own body, especially 17 or under, PERIOD! If had Jared made out with my daughter, I would have no problem tied his dick and balls with my Diesel powered truck rear hitch with raw torque and I would likely not even touch fuel pedal, but simply let the drive do its work EVEN if it means days in the joint, cause you know those prisoners who killed any perverts who raped somebody's children will be one on the top of totem pole, and that Jared is on the bottom of that totem pole.

Lastly, this is not Europe, or wherever... this is America, our ideology when it comes to sex with minors is hellish forbidden with small exceptions that those who are not even over 21 yrs old and have a consensual fun with 16 or 17 yrs old, that is it and I still don't approve that small exception but wont support a charge of felony if ever tried.

Can't wait hear that Jared moan and groan with pain from an inside style footlong! Cause his middle name is scumbag!

Its all cool to disagree bro
No plms
We agree om.a.view.things here.

And we disagree on a few.

We agree re fogle should of known better, and have been better able to protect himself.
From himself.
Thats why guys with his loot, usually have teams of advisors whos sole pipose is to protect what they have. In fogles case, his sexual tastes could of easil.been satisfied without the need to actually have sex with a 16 year old. There are companies who cater to those tastes whilw using of age girls who look younger.

So on

His loot..his advisors surely would of known this.

But he didnt either listen to good advice or never made those with an interest in his ssfety and.protwcting his wealth aware of his inclinations..that is a huge mistake.

In order for them to best advise.you, one at least should know yoir weakness. Fogles was sex, and sexual fantasies, which considering in colkege he was a porn peddler, is not suprising at all, given porn feeds depravity...

No father in their right mind would wish their daughter to be a working girl,
Its not a good life for most.
In this i have no doubt, ive had allot of experence working with and for them, (when i was younger of course, mainly working for those the girls worked.for, their manegers...(pimps)...

A few became very close friends with me, ..

This is not some abstact topic for me.

I think 15 years for hiring already working working girls of the age 16 is a harsh sentence,

We need to factor in the child.porm found to i think better understand the sentence,,
It is the child porn that will get him plms, which his loot will.easiky negate if its handled in a peofessiona manner.

Not the hirng 16 year old working girls.

My opinion...

For what its worth..

 

[diehardbiker]

Its all cool to disagree bro
No plms
We agree om.a.view.things here.

And we disagree on a few.

We agree re fogle should of known better, and have been better able to protect himself.
From himself.
Thats why guys with his loot, usually have teams of advisors whos sole pipose is to protect what they have. In fogles case, his sexual tastes could of easil.been satisfied without the need to actually have sex with a 16 year old. There are companies who cater to those tastes whilw using of age girls who look younger.

So on

His loot..his advisors surely would of known this.

But he didnt either listen to good advice or never made those with an interest in his ssfety and.protwcting his wealth aware of his inclinations..that is a huge mistake.

In order for them to best advise.you, one at least should know yoir weakness. Fogles was sex, and sexual fantasies, which considering in colkege he was a porn peddler, is not suprising at all, given porn feeds depravity...

No father in their right mind would wish their daughter to be a working girl,
Its not a good life for most.
In this i have no doubt, ive had allot of experence working with and for them, (when i was younger of course, mainly working for those the girls worked.for, their manegers...(pimps)...

A few became very close friends with me, ..

This is not some abstact topic for me.

I think 15 years for hiring already working working girls of the age 16 is a harsh sentence,

We need to factor in the child.porm found to i think better understand the sentence,,
It is the child porn that will get him plms, which his loot will.easiky negate if its handled in a peofessiona manner.

Not the hirng 16 year old working girls.

My opinion...

For what its worth..

Sure, 16, 17 yrs old can work BUT they do have some restrictions in the book, don't forget that. You can dig up child labor laws in DOL (Department of Labor), you will find some restrictions in there, anything that is hazardous to child's health and welfare is prohibited, sex happens to be one of them.

 

[ricas27]

Its all cool to disagree bro
No plms
We agree om.a.view.things here.

And we disagree on a few.

We agree re fogle should of known better, and have been better able to protect himself.
From himself.
Thats why guys with his loot, usually have teams of advisors whos sole pipose is to protect what they have. In fogles case, his sexual tastes could of easil.been satisfied without the need to actually have sex with a 16 year old. There are companies who cater to those tastes whilw using of age girls who look younger.

So on

His loot..his advisors surely would of known this.

But he didnt either listen to good advice or never made those with an interest in his ssfety and.protwcting his wealth aware of his inclinations..that is a huge mistake.

In order for them to best advise.you, one at least should know yoir weakness. Fogles was sex, and sexual fantasies, which considering in colkege he was a porn peddler, is not suprising at all, given porn feeds depravity...

No father in their right mind would wish their daughter to be a working girl,
Its not a good life for most.
In this i have no doubt, ive had allot of experence working with and for them, (when i was younger of course, mainly working for those the girls worked.for, their manegers...(pimps)...

A few became very close friends with me, ..

This is not some abstact topic for me.

I think 15 years for hiring already working working girls of the age 16 is a harsh sentence,

We need to factor in the child.porm found to i think better understand the sentence,,
It is the child porn that will get him plms, which his loot will.easiky negate if its handled in a peofessiona manner.

Not the hirng 16 year old working girls.

My opinion...

For what its worth..

so you Don't think john guilty for having sex with underage prostitute but Blame on Pimp hired underage prostitutes?? Equivalent to: You don't think Buyer is guilty to buy illegal drug from young drug dealer but you blame on Boss hire underage drug dealer??

 

[Jezie]

Its all cool to disagree bro
No plms
We agree om.a.view.things here.

And we disagree on a few.

We agree re fogle should of known better, and have been better able to protect himself.
From himself.
Thats why guys with his loot, usually have teams of advisors whos sole pipose is to protect what they have. In fogles case, his sexual tastes could of easil.been satisfied without the need to actually have sex with a 16 year old. There are companies who cater to those tastes whilw using of age girls who look younger.

So on

His loot..his advisors surely would of known this.

But he didnt either listen to good advice or never made those with an interest in his ssfety and.protwcting his wealth aware of his inclinations..that is a huge mistake.

In order for them to best advise.you, one at least should know yoir weakness. Fogles was sex, and sexual fantasies, which considering in colkege he was a porn peddler, is not suprising at all, given porn feeds depravity...

No father in their right mind would wish their daughter to be a working girl,
Its not a good life for most.
In this i have no doubt, ive had allot of experence working with and for them, (when i was younger of course, mainly working for those the girls worked.for, their manegers...(pimps)...

A few became very close friends with me, ..

This is not some abstact topic for me.

I think 15 years for hiring already working working girls of the age 16 is a harsh sentence,

We need to factor in the child.porm found to i think better understand the sentence,,
It is the child porn that will get him plms, which his loot will.easiky negate if its handled in a peofessiona manner.

Not the hirng 16 year old working girls.

My opinion...

For what its worth..

Hoichi... I am curious... Often you mention that various aged teenagers are not childern. At what age do you see childhood ending?

 

[hoichi]

Hoichi... I am curious... Often you mention that various aged teenagers are not childern. At what age do you see childhood ending?

I think children are not 16 year olds if thats what your asking.

Considering 16 year olds can quit school, live on their own, work, own a vehicle have a license...so on.

Obviously their is a difference between a five year old child and a 16 year old


Children are children.
We both know 16 year olds are not.

Physically they are different.
Emotionally they are different.

I loath magic numbers when it comes to people.
But if im pushed. I would state since 16 year olds legally can live on their own, quit school, work for a living. Own a vehicle and have a licence then 16 is a good one to pick.
If not
Then the qustion i have is
Why are children allowed to quit school, live on their own,work for a living, own a vehile and keep a licence?

 

[Jezie]

I think children are not 16 year olds if thats what your asking.

Considering 16 year olds can quit school, live on their own, work, own a vehicle have a license...so on.

Obviously their is a difference between a five year old child and a 16 year old


Children are children.
We both know 16 year olds are not.

Physically they are different.
Emotionally they are different.

I loath magic numbers when it comes to people.
But if im pushed. I would state since 16 year olds legally can live on their own, quit school, work for a living. Own a vehicle and have a licence then 16 is a good one to pick.
If not
Then the qustion i have is
Why are children allowed to quit school, live on their own,work for a living, own a vehile and keep a licence?

I can understand not liking "magic numbers" and understand it. But often in discussion it comes to a teenager and you argue well they are not kids thus XYZ.... So, I am kind of looking for a reference.
16 they can drop out of school, but they cannot buy a car, rent a car or hotel, drink, must have parental/adult supervision to drive before they can get their license, their parents are still legally liable for them for school, home, clothes, and other basic needs... Even working they have extreme restrictions placed on them...
Speaking mentally developed woulf be a tricky call because people are not fully mentally developed until their 30s...
So if not a magic number... What criteria makes one an adult?

As for your question... Of the list, they can only quit school... At 16 with parental or adult assistance they can get a license but the parents can still be held liable for what the 16 year old does... As for the rest, they cannot... At least not here, or other states I have lived in.

 

[Reba]

I can understand not liking "magic numbers" and understand it. But often in discussion it comes to a teenager and you argue well they are not kids thus XYZ.... So, I am kind of looking for a reference.
16 they can drop out of school, but they cannot buy a car, rent a car or hotel, drink, must have parental/adult supervision to drive before they can get their license, their parents are still legally liable for them for school, home, clothes, and other basic needs... Even working they have extreme restrictions placed on them...
Speaking mentally developed woulf be a tricky call because people are not fully mentally developed until their 30s...
So if not a magic number... What criteria makes one an adult?

As for your question... Of the list, they can only quit school... At 16 with parental or adult assistance they can get a license but the parents can still be held liable for what the 16 year old does... As for the rest, they cannot... At least not here, or other states I have lived in.

I wonder how much more car insurance costs for a 16-year-old not attached to a parent's policy? Also, what about health insurance? I know they can't sign rental contracts. They can buy a car if they have the cash but they can't get a loan for it.

They can drop out of school if they have parental consent (check the state's law for details).

Yes, parents are still legally responsible for their children at age 16 until 18.

 

[Reba]

I think children are not 16 year olds if thats what your asking.

Considering 16 year olds can quit school, live on their own, work, own a vehicle have a license...so on.

Some can. Not all. Some are still very immature at 16.

Obviously their is a difference between a five year old child and a 16 year old

Children are children.
We both know 16 year olds are not.

I also know that many 16 year olds are still children.

Physically they are different.
Emotionally they are different.

Just because a 16-year-old is different from a 5-year-old it doesn't mean the 16-year-old is ready to move out.

I loath magic numbers when it comes to people.

It's not magic but there has to be some objective cut off for legal purposes.

But if im pushed. I would state since 16 year olds legally can live on their own, quit school, work for a living. Own a vehicle and have a licence then 16 is a good one to pick.
If not
Then the qustion i have is
Why are children allowed to quit school, live on their own,work for a living, own a vehile and keep a licence?

Children are not allowed to do all those things without restrictions, at least not in the USA. You have been misinformed.