strong argument for increasing retirement age

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saywhatkid said:
As long as the economy sucks, a bunch of us are already semi-retired. :wave:
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I would re-open my biz and hire on a bunch of people again...... But taxes and health care ya know. *shrug*
 
Too much work=more stress meaning shorter lifespan on average. What the world they are thinking? :roll: having fun and play is better for your health than working for too long.
 
If people retire and isolate themselves, then yes, chances of declining health will occur but if people retire and keep active by enjoying their lives, then I doubt their health will decline unless it was meant to be. I would rather retire and enjoy the last part of my life without any commitments to jobs.
 
sequoias said:
Too much work=more stress meaning shorter lifespan on average. What the world they are thinking? :roll: having fun and play is better for your health than working for too long.
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This may surprise you:

Annual hours over eight centuries
Year Type of worker Annual hours
13th century Adult male peasant, UK 1620 hours
14th century Casual laborer, UK 1440 hours
Middle Ages English worker 2309 hours
1400–1600 Farmer-miner, adult male, UK 1980 hours
1840 Average worker, UK 1105–1588 hours
1850 Average worker, U.S. 1150–1650 hours
1987 Average worker, U.S. 1949 hours
1988 Manufacturing workers, UK 1855 hours
2004 Average full-time worker, Germany 1480 hours [8]
2008 Average worker, India 2817 – 3443 hours
2010 Investment Banker, NY 5082 hours

Our lifespan gets longer every century despite having almost 4 times more working time than several centuries ago.

Working time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But are we overworked? It depends on how you see it. If you don't like your job and get so little in return, you'll feel overworked.
 
netrox said:
This may surprise you:

Annual hours over eight centuries
Year Type of worker Annual hours
13th century Adult male peasant, UK 1620 hours
14th century Casual laborer, UK 1440 hours
Middle Ages English worker 2309 hours
1400–1600 Farmer-miner, adult male, UK 1980 hours
1840 Average worker, UK 1105–1588 hours
1850 Average worker, U.S. 1150–1650 hours
1987 Average worker, U.S. 1949 hours
1988 Manufacturing workers, UK 1855 hours
2004 Average full-time worker, Germany 1480 hours [8]
2008 Average worker, India 2817 – 3443 hours
2010 Investment Banker, NY 5082 hours

Our lifespan gets longer every century despite having almost 4 times more working time than several centuries ago.

Working time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But are we overworked? It depends on how you see it. If you don't like your job and get so little in return, you'll feel overworked.
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Let's see the stats of these people's lifespan who works 5,000 hours a year as a investment Baker. That's way too many hours, which means more than 1/2 of the year. One year is over 8,000 hours.
 
sequoias said:
Let's see the stats of these people's lifespan who works 5,000 hours a year as a investment Baker. That's way too many hours, which means more than 1/2 of the year. One year is over 8,000 hours.
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but they get millions of dollars in bonuses. :)
 
Huh? Taking "work to death" literally? No thanks, lol.

I want to play and see the world.
 
Well, push the age to retirement, it mean to me that there are going to be less available job to be hired.
 
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When people speak about being overworked, they are referring to not having enough time to accomplish things so they can take the time off to spend with their family. Notice single people don't complain about being over-worked? It's usually the ones who are settled down who gripe about being over-worked.
 
Well, pushing up retirement age...

Methinks it's a Govt way to overwork old people to death, so they won't rely on SS or Medicaid from the Govt for long.
 
Miss-Delectable said:
Well, pushing up retirement age...

Methinks it's a Govt way to overwork old people to death, so they won't rely on SS or Medicaid from the Govt for long.
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Exactly....another way for them to cover for all the borrowing they have been doing.
 
netrox said:
This may surprise you:

Annual hours over eight centuries
Year Type of worker Annual hours
13th century Adult male peasant, UK 1620 hours
14th century Casual laborer, UK 1440 hours
Middle Ages English worker 2309 hours
1400–1600 Farmer-miner, adult male, UK 1980 hours
1840 Average worker, UK 1105–1588 hours
1850 Average worker, U.S. 1150–1650 hours
1987 Average worker, U.S. 1949 hours
1988 Manufacturing workers, UK 1855 hours
2004 Average full-time worker, Germany 1480 hours [8]
2008 Average worker, India 2817 – 3443 hours
2010 Investment Banker, NY 5082 hours

Our lifespan gets longer every century despite having almost 4 times more working time than several centuries ago.

Working time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But are we overworked? It depends on how you see it. If you don't like your job and get so little in return, you'll feel overworked.
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That's true, that we are working several times longer than those centuries ago. There are also fewer of us actually enjoying our work. Thank goodness I got no complaints.
 
netrox said:
This may surprise you:

Annual hours over eight centuries
Year Type of worker Annual hours
13th century Adult male peasant, UK 1620 hours
14th century Casual laborer, UK 1440 hours
Middle Ages English worker 2309 hours
1400–1600 Farmer-miner, adult male, UK 1980 hours
1840 Average worker, UK 1105–1588 hours
1850 Average worker, U.S. 1150–1650 hours
1987 Average worker, U.S. 1949 hours
1988 Manufacturing workers, UK 1855 hours
2004 Average full-time worker, Germany 1480 hours [8]
2008 Average worker, India 2817 – 3443 hours
2010 Investment Banker, NY 5082 hours

Our lifespan gets longer every century despite having almost 4 times more working time than several centuries ago.

Working time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But are we overworked? It depends on how you see it. If you don't like your job and get so little in return, you'll feel overworked.
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That is one of the most moronic comparisons ever witnessed on AllDeaf's history. Serious.
How many people are investment bankers from NY in the USA?

And in that SAME wikipedia article.... you can see the AVERAGE USA working time is 1777 hours. Working time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is not "nearly 4x" the working hours as stated.
 
The only negatives about my work are the uncertainty of hours that I will have, and the commuting.
 
Before the invention and widespread availability of nighttime electric lighting, working hours were more limited to the daytime. Also, agricultural and commercial fishing work is seasonal, and those were common occupations in past centuries. It's pretty hard to compare the work of past centuries with today's jobs.

Probably the best comparisons that can be made would be during the last 100 years, broken down by decades.

Also, how old were people when they "retired" during those periods? That's an important factor. Full retirement is a relatively new concept in world history.
 
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Did some number crunching (in my head):

If the average North American works 1400 to 1800 hours a year, and $75,000 (double-income) a year salary is the apex for maximum day-to-day (reported) happiness (accordIng to researches), $20-$25 per hour (per individual) is needed. Of course, this does not account for debt loads, job satisfaction or happiness obtained from material possessions, hence "day-to-day," since the supposed happiness level does not change beyond the threshold; this does not means rich people are happier or poor people are happier, it is merely the satisfaction from daily living.

Neat, eh?
 
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My dad was determined to work until he dies. Unfortunately, it didn't work out as well as he planned. He had health problems due to his heart. His work is blue collar type of job so it isn't like he have been sitting on his butt on the computer all day. He does physical jobs all day (and mental problem solving as well). He was forced to retired because he kept missing work for hospital visits.

Many other people over 65 are forced to retire for the same reasons.
 
deafgal001 said:
My dad was determined to work until he dies. Unfortunately, it didn't work out as well as he planned. He had health problems due to his heart. His work is blue collar type of job so it isn't like he have been sitting on his butt on the computer all day. He does physical jobs all day (and mental problem solving as well). He was forced to retired because he kept missing work for hospital visits.

Many other people over 65 are forced to retire for the same reasons.
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Also, companies do not want to keep older workers because of increased cost of health insurance and pensions.

So I don't see this as being feasible unless you're self employed and you can work your own hours. I know a lot of older workers who were let go because companies wanted to save on pensions and health insurance
 
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