State of Union Address

netrox said:
The problem is that Repubs ARE obstructing and delaying everything. Like Obama said, it's like election day EVERYDAY.

Not once have you said to us, "We should do whatever our ELECTED leader says." You just ATTACK him constantly. Thanks bud!
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Never a better example of projecting.

Because Obama isn't for lower taxes, limited government, capitalism, regulation of business and investing (rather than a burden and oppressive one), a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility and accountability, which is why I criticize him. He continues to hurt this country financially, morally, and militarily.
 
And, gee, Netrox not once did you ever criticize Obama except throw rose petals at everything he does even while he's bankrupting America with ever more so deeper debts.
 
lol @ this thread. somebody's got a red boner..... and somebody's got a blue boner.....

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*it's a pix of fist sticking up with a caption below - "FIGHT"
 
posts from hell said:
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It's just that I am smack dab in the middle. My views on certain issues will go either way.

I think people need to open up a little.

Ie: A democratic way of giving the disabled people employment by creating a "Government" position (something we will probably never see here in the USA) in whatever the person is capable of and want could be seen as a republican way of shrinking bureaucracy by cutting down on the people who do all the paperwork/processing on SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Section 8, and more claims.
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Ok, I hear ya, man. Normally, I vote Republican (moderate) but I don't always vote strictly along party lines. Right now, I think a lot of those congressional guys and gals should not even be in Washington, D.C........maybe the bottom of the ocean would be, errr, nevermind:D
Yeah, from the day they are elected, it seems most of them spend an inordinate amount of energy seeing to it they stay in office until they croak, practically. That, the special interests leading to tons and tons of pork, and a host of other issues need to be outlawed. There's a lotta things that need cleaning up...

Back to Obama himself, please go to the thread here in AD..."What Channel for the State of the Union Address Will You Be Watching It On?" Peruse post #16 that I contributed. Ironically, I found it on a deaf site, posted by a very liberal deafie.Its pretty dramatic so disregard that and just see the things Obama promised over and over before the election but has not followed through on.

As for the disability arena you mentioned, hey, we can be up all night just on that one. I do have some opinions there and that's pretty much the only place in life you will see me as "liberal". :D

In the past, I "felt" good after each State of the Union Address, no matter who was giving it. I guess it was the smooth oratory against the backdrop of that most hallowed place. But no more; it isn't reality...its almost a charade.They will be back to gnarling and gnashing tomorrow morning.

Anyway, I gotta go...cya...
 
kokonut said:
Never a better example of projecting.

Because Obama isn't for lower taxes, limited government, capitalism, regulation of business and investing (rather than a burden and oppressive one), a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility and accountability, which is why I criticize him. He continues to hurt this country financially, morally, and militarily.
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LOL! You're fooling yourself!

Deep tax taxes hurt us. Deregulations hurt us. Capitalism, left unchecked, hurts the majority.

you're always talkin' about fiscal responsiblity without realizing that the banks may have no money for you even if you managed it so well. LOL! Hiliarious! If not for the bailout (which Bush first started and Obama continued), you may have no MONEY from your bank!

When a government tries to help the public, you whine about its expansive powers. Huh? Hello? You think we should just sit back and do nothing? LOL! You repukes just kill me!
 
kokonut said:
Never a better example of projecting.

Because Obama isn't for lower taxes, limited government, capitalism, regulation of business and investing (rather than a burden and oppressive one), a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility and accountability, which is why I criticize him. He continues to hurt this country financially, morally, and militarily.
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limited government? Obama's just utilizing the bigger government created by GWB. I mean.... Homeland Security? ICE?
 
netrox said:
LOL! You're fooling yourself!

Deep tax taxes hurt us. Deregulations hurt us. Capitalism, left unchecked, hurts the majority.

you're always talkin' about fiscal responsiblity without realizing that the banks may have no money for you even if you managed it so well. LOL! Hiliarious! If not for the bailout (which Bush first started and Obama continued), you may have no MONEY from your bank!

When a government tries to help the public, you whine about its expansive powers. Huh? Hello? You think we should just sit back and do nothing? LOL! You repukes just kill me!
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Psst...capitalism along with regulation of business and investment as I've already said earlier helps keep capitalism in check. But we need capitalism since it helps pay taxes when more jobs are created that way.

So, taxing everybody to death is the answer when there are less jobs and people working to tax is a recipe for disaster.

The stupidity, for example, belongs to the people who forced banks to make home loans to people who couldn't afford a house in the first place or are at high risk of defaulting.

Govt can help the people but not at the cost of an expanding govt or at a cost of $250,000 for every new job "created."
 
Jiro said:
limited government? Obama's just utilizing the bigger government created by GWB. I mean.... Homeland Security? ICE?
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No, in terms of regulation, red tape and all that. It's the increasing bureaucracy.
 
kokonut said:
No, in terms of regulation, red tape and all that. It's the increasing bureaucracy.
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so GWB increased the government and bureaucracy cost.... as opposed to GOP's traditional "limited government" concept, yes?
 
Let me clarify specifically on limited govt since you're mixing it up with something else I was trying to say. Limited govt I am speaking of has to do with limiting the powers of our govt instead of all controlling.In the Dec. of Independence, " their just powers from the consent of the governed" and not the other way around by taking power which what the govt is trying to do right now.
 
kokonut said:
Let me clarify specifically on limited govt since you're mixing it up with something else I was trying to say. Limited govt I am speaking of has to do with limiting the powers of our govt instead of all controlling.In the Dec. of Independence, " their just powers from the consent of the governed" and not the other way around by taking power which what the govt is trying to do right now.
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So in other words do you support resolving issues the old west style?

Meet in the street at high noon? No involvement of officers.
 
posts from hell said:
So in other words do you support resolving issues the old west style?

Meet in the street at high noon? No involvement of officers.
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No. We have the Constitution, division of powers and checks and balances, and such. Understand that the Constitution's limits on the Federal government's power is for the protection of people's liberties. This concept was pointed out in the The Federalist papers. The Federal govt should not be trying to ursurp the states' own rights.

A bit more civilized approach here.
 
kokonut said:
Let me clarify specifically on limited govt since you're mixing it up with something else I was trying to say. Limited govt I am speaking of has to do with limiting the powers of our govt instead of all controlling.In the Dec. of Independence, " their just powers from the consent of the governed" and not the other way around by taking power which what the govt is trying to do right now.
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limiting the power? but that's not what happened in previous Administration. I mean wow.... thousands cases of unwarranted wiretapping.

How you feel about that Presidential abuse of authorizing illegal wiretapping?
 
Jiro said:
limiting the power? but that's not what happened in previous Administration. I mean wow.... thousands cases of unwarranted wiretapping.

How you feel about that Presidential abuse of authorizing illegal wiretapping?
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If it was, in fact, blatantly illegal, then consequences should be forthcoming. But many things in life aren't so cut and dry.
 
Tousi said:
If it was, in fact, blatantly illegal, then consequences should be forthcoming. But many things in life aren't so cut and dry.
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it WAS, in fact, found illegal. A forthcoming Justice Department report has found over 2,000 cases of illegal wiretapping by FBI.

Google
 
Jiro said:
it WAS, in fact, found illegal. A forthcoming Justice Department report has found over 2,000 cases of illegal wiretapping by FBI.

Yeah, I know and I already gave my opinion. So why were there no consequences?
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Tousi said:
Yeah, I know and I already gave my opinion. So why were there no consequences?
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cuz it takes time. I wouldn't be surprised if it took 10+ years to hold them accountable.
 
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