Start with spoken language or ASL?

[imdeafsowhat]

I'd like to say, this thread is one hella thread that I'm so into. SCREW THE GENERAL CHAT! hahaha.

So you all believe that it depends on how one goes down in life to learn English or ASL?

I truly think it still depends on each one, but on what? Their eyes? Their noses? Their hands, fingers, nails, what? Penis?

No, no, no, no, AND NO.

It's the IQ that people have. It gives them the mental to learn languages, if one cannot, we can say that one has low IQ. Catch my drift? No, then I'll explain this by telling you part of my life.

I was only 7 years old when I learned that ASL is completely different from SEE, but not entirely. I knew the signs, I knew the gesture, I knew the expressions. But what I didn't know is ASL is a lot shorter in sentence when I signed in SEE, I did sign exact english, which means EVERY WORDS that comes in my mind. After learning ASL, I thought it was fun, but I never used it until one would not understand my SEE, PSE. So I drop all my "smarts" and go to that ASL mode and talk to them. Guess what, they perfectly understand me, why? IQ.

I learned how to speak when I started to walk, I said, "Baba", I also learned sign language but not ASL, SEE. My first sign, "Juice". Of course, those makes sense for a baby who wants mommy and juice. I started to learn how to speak a sentence when I entered preschool in speech thearpy at a school where I started the program for thos D/HH "Deaf and Hard of Hearing." I started out as HH, but when I entered middle school, I went from HH to Deaf, but that didn't stop me from using the language that I had learned. I'll tell you this, I had a spectular teacher or rather teachers. They all loved a challenge and that was me. I love challenges too, but gosh, I would say that the hardest challenge was teaching myself. Today I am doing home school on many things, Graphic Design, Game Art, Computer Language. How am I doing that? IQ.

It truly does depend on an individual, but what, indeed. IQ.

You people have to know that a child still have an IQ but then when they grow up, I have to ask, is their common sense intact or is it all in many different directions like this thread is?

I started with SEE and Spoken language. I started writing in Kindergarden, I learned how one would need the to be verbs or it wouldn't make sense, therefore, ASL has no to be verbs and it doesn't make sense but to those who are fluent in ASL.

Shel, hard lives are indeed a life worthy to live.


IQ; Intellgence Quotation!! hahaha. Quotient.

 

[jillio]

I'd like to say, this thread is one hella thread that I'm so into. SCREW THE GENERAL CHAT! hahaha.

So you all believe that it depends on how one goes down in life to learn English or ASL?

I truly think it still depends on each one, but on what? Their eyes? Their noses? Their hands, fingers, nails, what? Penis?

No, no, no, no, AND NO.

It's the IQ that people have. It gives them the mental to learn languages, if one cannot, we can say that one has low IQ. Catch my drift? No, then I'll explain this by telling you part of my life.

I was only 7 years old when I learned that ASL is completely different from SEE, but not entirely. I knew the signs, I knew the gesture, I knew the expressions. But what I didn't know is ASL is a lot shorter in sentence when I signed in SEE, I did sign exact english, which means EVERY WORDS that comes in my mind. After learning ASL, I thought it was fun, but I never used it until one would not understand my SEE, PSE. So I drop all my "smarts" and go to that ASL mode and talk to them. Guess what, they perfectly understand me, why? IQ.

I learned how to speak when I started to walk, I said, "Baba", I also learned sign language but not ASL, SEE. My first sign, "Juice". Of course, those makes sense for a baby who wants mommy and juice. I started to learn how to speak a sentence when I entered preschool in speech thearpy at a school where I started the program for thos D/HH "Deaf and Hard of Hearing." I started out as HH, but when I entered middle school, I went from HH to Deaf, but that didn't stop me from using the language that I had learned. I'll tell you this, I had a spectular teacher or rather teachers. They all loved a challenge and that was me. I love challenges too, but gosh, I would say that the hardest challenge was teaching myself. Today I am doing home school on many things, Graphic Design, Game Art, Computer Language. How am I doing that? IQ.

It truly does depend on an individual, but what, indeed. IQ.

You people have to know that a child still have an IQ but then when they grow up, I have to ask, is their common sense intact or is it all in many different directions like this thread is?

I started with SEE and Spoken language. I started writing in Kindergarden, I learned how one would need the to be verbs or it wouldn't make sense, therefore, ASL has no to be verbs and it doesn't make sense but to those who are fluent in ASL.

Shel, hard lives are indeed a life worthy to live.


IQ; Intellgence Quotation!! hahaha. Quotient.

IQ is not related to the innate ability that all humans have to acquire language, nor is language use necessarily connected in any way to IQ.

 

[imdeafsowhat]

IQ is not related to the innate ability that all humans have to acquire language, nor is language use necessarily connected in any way to IQ.

Oh but it is. If your IQ was 70, you know what the law or rules of education say about that?

AUTOMATICALLY RETARDED.

At that IQ, one wouldn't be able to develop a language, but a barrier of language where one would understand a word at one a time.

If you had an IQ of 170, I'd say you're crazy but brilliant. Why crazy, because one knows too much and can't really confirm, why? Very low common sense where one would only rely on facts only. NO FUN!

IQ is probably related to everything, but then what about common senese, it's like 2 completely different thing.

I was told that I have a high IQ that I was able to learn ASL by myself because I knew SEE, I knew all the signs. I was also considered the poet of the time back in high school and college, how? I wrote everyday, in plain English. I once wrote in ASL, it wasn't smooth, it didn't ring anything in my mind, it only drew a picture but no details.

"One shouldn't really nesscary view it as an object, but an opinion which you should learn and refine it to your own opinion. After all you are entitled to your own opinion."

 

[jillio]

Oh but it is. If your IQ was 70, you know what the law or rules of education say about that?

AUTOMATICALLY RETARDED.

At that IQ, one wouldn't be able to develop a language, but a barrier of language where one would understand a word at one a time.

If you had an IQ of 170, I'd say you're crazy but brilliant. Why crazy, because one knows too much and can't really confirm, why? Very low common sense where one would only rely on facts only. NO FUN!

IQ is probably related to everything, but then what about common senese, it's like 2 completely different thing.

I was told that I have a high IQ that I was able to learn ASL by myself because I knew SEE, I knew all the signs. I was also considered the poet of the time back in high school and college, how? I wrote everyday, in plain English. I once wrote in ASL, it wasn't smooth, it didn't ring anything in my mind, it only drew a picture but no details.

"One shouldn't really nesscary view it as an object, but an opinion which you should learn and refine it to your own opinion. After all you are entitled to your own opinion."

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the innate human potential for acquiring language, nor does language usage necessarily reflect overall intellectual functioning.

What makes you think that someone with an IQ of 170 would rely on facts only? That is totally false. In fact, one the the signs of a higher IQ is creative and fluid thought processes. A person with a higher IQ relies less on facts, not more, as they are able to interpret and use fact based knowledge in creative and fluid ways that a person with a lesser IQ never conceives of.

 

[imdeafsowhat]

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the innate human potential for acquiring language, nor does language usage necessarily reflect overall intellectual functioning.

What makes you think that someone with an IQ of 170 would rely on facts only? That is totally false. In fact, one the the signs of a higher IQ is creative and fluid thought processes. A person with a higher IQ relies less on facts, not more, as they are able to interpret and use fact based knowledge in creative and fluid ways that a person with a lesser IQ never conceives of.

Ahh, but a Higher IQ always "calucates" and thinks ahead of everything. They put themselves a bit too far of themselves, it has been like that for a while because there are basically two different things. Common Sense, I call that Wolf, and IQ. IQ are based on how well can you learn and adpat. Common sense are based on how well can you understand and explain without learning. Basically you're just basing it on your experiences that you went through and seen. I haven't been where you have been, so I can't speak for you, but I can speak for where I have been and what I have been through. And this IQ/Wolf thingie has been an issue in life, because one would pass high school and go out in the real world with no knowledge how to get a place, how to get a job, or how to get a car. But then when one doesn't pass high school, he would be very good at selling products, "how?" you would probably ask, because he has common sense on how people react, feel, and look at you as something. All I can say, it's life experiences that gives you much lesson that you are learning, even at the moment, right now, we all are learning something, aren't we?

I say, screw all those "institutes" and start uniting the world as one. That way we all can learn from everyone about everything in many different perspectives. I'd enjoy that, but instead I went to a school where I was among the first deaf people, 2 deaf out of 500 students, yes, a small school, to graduate. What I lacked in this time was going to deaf institute but I never regretted, because I am happy with what, who, how I am. In that united school where there's blinds, deafs, cripples, and midgets merged with "normal", there are no such things as normal, people. That way one would understand that we aren't all different, we're just disabled in some ways. And we could have the ability to learn how to communicate with all of those kind of people.

Truly, going with spoken language or ASL doesn't really matter, what matters is which fits you properly and makes you feel comfortable. But then if it was me that would choose between those, I would go for Spoken Language and explain what ASL is in Spoken Language, simply because they can explain to others about it. Spread the love, I say.

 

[jillio]

Ahh, but a Higher IQ always "calucates" and thinks ahead of everything. They put themselves a bit too far of themselves, it has been like that for a while because there are basically two different things. Common Sense, I call that Wolf, and IQ. IQ are based on how well can you learn and adpat. Common sense are based on how well can you understand and explain without learning. Basically you're just basing it on your experiences that you went through and seen. I haven't been where you have been, so I can't speak for you, but I can speak for where I have been and what I have been through. And this IQ/Wolf thingie has been an issue in life, because one would pass high school and go out in the real world with no knowledge how to get a place, how to get a job, or how to get a car. But then when one doesn't pass high school, he would be very good at selling products, "how?" you would probably ask, because he has common sense how people react, feel, and look at you as something. All I can say, it's life experiences that gives you much lesson that you are learning, even at the moment, right now, we all are learning something, aren't we?

I say, screw all those "institutes" and start uniting the world as one. That way we all can learn from everyone about everything in many different perspectives. I'd enjoy that, but instead I went to a school where I was among the first deaf people, 2 deaf out of 500 students, yes, a small school, to graduate. What I lacked in this time was going to deaf institute but I never regretted, because I am happy with what, who, how I am. In that united school where there's blinds, deafs, cripples, and midgets merged with "normal", there are no such things as normal, people. That way one would understand that we aren't all different, we're just disabled in some ways. And we could have the ability to learn how to communicate with all of those kind of people.

Actually, common sense very much operates on the principle of learning, as it is the process of drawing probable conclusion based on past experience. That past experience is quite often unrelated to the present situation, and therefore, one must be able to see parallels and relationships that are not obvious. The concept of common sense is very much a function of the intellect.

Likewise, the rote learning of fact without application is not related to higher intellectual functioning, but only to memory. Therefore, one who learns facts, but is unable to apply that which has been learned in new and creative ways in everyday experience is not more intelligent than one who posseses fewer facts but is able to untilize them to a greater potential.

You are a bit confused on the concept of intelligence.

One with a higher IQ does not always calculate and think ahead. Those are learned skills, not innate.

 

[Daredevel7]

I'd like to say, this thread is one hella thread that I'm so into. SCREW THE GENERAL CHAT! hahaha.

So you all believe that it depends on how one goes down in life to learn English or ASL?

I truly think it still depends on each one, but on what? Their eyes? Their noses? Their hands, fingers, nails, what? Penis?

No, no, no, no, AND NO.

It's the IQ that people have. It gives them the mental to learn languages, if one cannot, we can say that one has low IQ. Catch my drift? No, then I'll explain this by telling you part of my life.

I was only 7 years old when I learned that ASL is completely different from SEE, but not entirely. I knew the signs, I knew the gesture, I knew the expressions. But what I didn't know is ASL is a lot shorter in sentence when I signed in SEE, I did sign exact english, which means EVERY WORDS that comes in my mind. After learning ASL, I thought it was fun, but I never used it until one would not understand my SEE, PSE. So I drop all my "smarts" and go to that ASL mode and talk to them. Guess what, they perfectly understand me, why? IQ.

I learned how to speak when I started to walk, I said, "Baba", I also learned sign language but not ASL, SEE. My first sign, "Juice". Of course, those makes sense for a baby who wants mommy and juice. I started to learn how to speak a sentence when I entered preschool in speech thearpy at a school where I started the program for thos D/HH "Deaf and Hard of Hearing." I started out as HH, but when I entered middle school, I went from HH to Deaf, but that didn't stop me from using the language that I had learned. I'll tell you this, I had a spectular teacher or rather teachers. They all loved a challenge and that was me. I love challenges too, but gosh, I would say that the hardest challenge was teaching myself. Today I am doing home school on many things, Graphic Design, Game Art, Computer Language. How am I doing that? IQ.

It truly does depend on an individual, but what, indeed. IQ.

You people have to know that a child still have an IQ but then when they grow up, I have to ask, is their common sense intact or is it all in many different directions like this thread is?

I started with SEE and Spoken language. I started writing in Kindergarden, I learned how one would need the to be verbs or it wouldn't make sense, therefore, ASL has no to be verbs and it doesn't make sense but to those who are fluent in ASL.

Shel, hard lives are indeed a life worthy to live.


IQ; Intellgence Quotation!! hahaha. Quotient.

It's funny you say that because shortly after my mom found out that I was deaf, she took me to Clarke school to get intensively tested. The people who tested me recommended that I should not go to Clarke school because my "IQ was too high". Kind of implies that IQ does play in a factor in language/communication/literacy abilities. I do agree that there is MORE to just high IQ, such as the environment, parental abilities, and so on. As Jillo said, the results of teaching ASL or spoken English first is too complicated to predict. I was just trying to think of a more likely possible outcome scenarios, but I do agree, its more complicated than that.

 

[imdeafsowhat]

Being ahead of yourself only see the predictables. Not the present. It's best to be in the present than the future and the past. Why? Because it's what you do right now that matters the most.

Wolf and IQ mixed in one becomes what, A BEAR! Haha, but truly, Higher IQ aren't balanced. In my opinion, the higher the IQ is the weaker the common sense is, because one would keep learning the facts without experiencing it. To explain the experiences you have to think of the the past experiences which does, a bit, affects the present, but it's not what happened in the past, it's what you're doing at the moment.

Spoken Language, what's the lowest IQ that can speak english perfectly fine? Let me know if it's below 70!

 

[jillio]

It's funny you say that because shortly after my mom found out that I was deaf, she took me to Clarke school to get intensively tested. The people who tested me recommended that I should not go to Clarke school because my "IQ was too high". Kind of implies that IQ does play in a factor in language/communication/literacy abilities. I do agree that there is MORE to just high IQ, such as the environment, parental abilities, and so on. As Jillo said, the results of teaching ASL or spoken English first is too complicated to predict. I was just trying to think of a more likely possible outcome scenarios, but I do agree, its more complicated than that.

While I will agree with you that intellectual potential affects the ability to use language in many ways, as well as to comprehend such, intellectual potential does not affect the innate ability that all humans possess to acquire language. It only affects the development of such to a given potential.

 

[jillio]

Being ahead of yourself only see the predictables. Not the present. It's best to be in the present than the future and the past. Why? Because it's what you do right now that matters the most.

Wolf and IQ mixed in one becomes what, A BEAR! Haha, but truly, Higher IQ aren't balanced. In my opinion, the higher the IQ is the weaker the common sense is, because one would keep learning the facts without experiencing it. To explain the experiences you have to think of the the past experiences which does, a bit, affects the present, but it's not what happened in the past, it's what you're doing at the moment.

Spoken Language, what's the lowest IQ that can speak english perfectly fine? Let me know if it's below 70!

Gee, I don't know. What's your IQ? You seem to be having some difficulties with English.

And, there are many, many individuals in this world with very high IQs that do not speak. Speaking is not an indication of IQ, but simply of an ability to manipulate one's vocal mechanisms.

 

[imdeafsowhat]

Gee, I don't know. What's your IQ? You seem to be having some difficulties with English.

And, there are many, many individuals in this world with very high IQs that do not speak. Speaking is not an indication of IQ, but simply of an ability to manipulate one's vocal mechanisms.

You're speaking of that guy who has an IQ of 200? Christopher something, the guy on the wheelchair with no ability to move, talk, or write? Perhaps, he's ONE of those people, but not the Guru who has chosen the silence of life and wish no communication but only way to understand him is to understand the silence.

 

[Daredevel7]

Gee, I don't know. What's your IQ? You seem to be having some difficulties with English.

And, there are many, many individuals in this world with very high IQs that do not speak. Speaking is not an indication of IQ, but simply of an ability to manipulate one's vocal mechanisms.

Oooh, a little burn there, Jillo.....

I have to disagree with you there about speaking. Being able to speak WHILE being deaf requires:

1) The ability to understand others speaking through eyes only. This requires logical thinking, ex. "Did he say 'prejudice' or 'prestigious'. We were talking about racism, so it must be prejudice".
2) Remembering how to speak correctly without any feedback whatsoever. This requires memorization.

The above, to me, requires intelligence.

 

[jillio]

You're speaking of that guy who has an IQ of 200? Christopher something, the guy on the wheelchair with no ability to move, talk, or write? Perhaps, he's ONE of those people, but not the Guru who has chosen the silence of life and wish no communication but only way to understand him is to understand the silence.

What are you talking about. I believe I said several, not one singular person.

 

[jillio]

Oooh, a little burn there, Jillo.....

I have to disagree with you there about speaking. Being able to speak WHILE being deaf requires:

1) The ability to understand others speaking through eyes only. This requires logical thinking, ex. "Did he say 'prejudice' or 'prestigious'. We were talking about racism, so it must be prejudice".
2) Remembering how to speak correctly without any feedback whatsoever. This requires memorization.

The above, to me, requires intelligence.

Nope, intelligence is not in the least related to the ability to speak. Only to the ability to comprehend that which is spoken. Or signed, for that matter. What you are talking about is the ability to process stimuli into meaningful information.

 

[imdeafsowhat]

Process. Process.

But you did imply that they used vocal mechanisms. Therefore, we know only one guy with the highest IQ. If you don't, go research, I didn't research, I knew this because I met him once at an expo.

 

[Daredevel7]

Nope, intelligence is not in the least related to the ability to speak. Only to the ability to comprehend that which is spoken. Or signed, for that matter. What you are talking about is the ability to process stimuli into meaningful information.

So you DO agree that IQ contributes to the ability to comprehend what is spoken? This proves my point. Why would you not be able to speak if you can comprehend what is being spoken? That's like saying "I understand ASL perfectly, but I can't do ASL."

 

[jillio]

So you DO agree that IQ contributes to the ability to comprehend what is spoken? This proves my point. Why would you not be able to speak if you can comprehend what is being spoken? That's like saying "I understand ASL perfectly, but I can't do ASL."

No, it doesn't prove your point at all. Speaking is a a productive function of language. Comprehension is a receptive function. And just being able to comprehend what is spoken on a receptive level is not indcative of superior intelligence. A parrot is able to mimic English. Does that mean they have intelligence equal to humans?
Example: Someone who understands the sentence, "It is time for you to sit down." via spoken language.

Someone who understands the principles of Quantum physics, and can engage in a lengthy and detailed discussion of such via ASL.

 

[jillio]

Process. Process.

But you did imply that they used vocal mechanisms. Therefore, we know only one guy with the highest IQ. If you don't, go research, I didn't research, I knew this because I met him once at an expo.

Perhaps you know only one guy with a high IQ. I happen to know several.

 

[imdeafsowhat]

Perhaps you know only one guy with a high IQ. I happen to know several.

And you're not naming them? Are they a secret?


IQ only means one thing. How well can you understand.

Wolf means; How well do you respond to the action.

I can sit a dog, by saying, SIT. Or in a language, "you want food? then sit down and stay."

Dog has an IQ. Because they can understand.

The parrot CAN have an IQ, but it's not that smart enough to talk back in different response, unless it's hungry and it says "POLLY WANT A CRACKER, POLLY WANT A CRACKER." And I go find a cracker (aka white trash), oh wait, my IQ got shot! Dang it.

 

[jillio]

And you're not naming them? Are they a secret?


IQ only means one thing. How well can you understand.

Wolf means; How well do you respond to the action.

I can sit a dog, by saying, SIT. Or in a language, "you want food? then sit down and stay."

Dog has an IQ. Because they can understand.

The parrot CAN have an IQ, but it's not that smart enough to talk back in different response, unless it's hungry and it says "POLLY WANT A CRACKER, POLLY WANT A CRACKER." And I go find a cracker (aka white trash), oh wait, my IQ got shot! Dang it.

Obviously, your lack of IQ prevents you from understanding what one is.