Start with spoken language or ASL?

[shel90]

You make it sound like I love my own voice or something. This is how I look at it. You can have excellent cognitive skills, excellent problem solving skills, excellent writing skills. All without saying a THING. However, I find it hard to believe that it works the other way around. A deaf child who has excellent speaking skills right off the bat, it seems to me they are more likely to have good developmental skills in everything else. No?

Love your own voice? I dont know you so I wouldnt know.

Anyways...all oral kids have good developmental skills...if so, why do many fall so far behind or have language deficients? Those are the kids who do not have LD or any other cognitive processing disabilities.

Maybe I am just imagining the whole thing about oral kids getting referred to our program functioning years below their age appropriate levels.

 

[rockdrummer]

By using language that isnt fully accessible to deaf children and may put them at risks for language delays? Great! I am all for it.

Or they may succeed way beyond what you are giving them credit for. My crystal ball is in the shop because it doesn't work.

 

[shel90]

!!!!

I'm so glad there's someone who has brains on this forum.

Isnt that an insulting post to those who do not have brains? Tsk Tsk..

 

[shel90]

Or they may succeed way beyond what you are giving them credit for. My crystal ball is in the shop because it doesn't work.

Oh, then all the kids who got referred to our program as a last resort dont count? Just curious.

 

[sirena rossa]

If bi bi is a successful program for the majority of deaf children, why aren't there more???

I am gonna be blunt with people here, Research reveals that there is NO one approach has been proven to be more effective than another approach.

Cheri, u are so right in that. thanks for being blunt!

 

[Daredevel7]

By using language that isnt fully accessible to deaf children and may put them at risks for language delays? Great! I am all for it.

You know what I find so ironic?

Apparently oral English was taught first to you, me, sirena, and others who I can't think of right now, and NO ONE has mentioned a language delay.

Only complaints about missing out things while being at school or social situations. That's not a language delay.

 

[shel90]

Please allow me to clarify something that i have actually failed to mention in these posts. These deaf children that i use in examples, MUST have binaural amplification (i.e. hearing aids) or cochlear implants (or both). Both hearing and deaf babies do babble, yes. If the deaf baby is fitted with HA/CI, then it is VERY important to reinforce speech!! because how do hearing babies learn to speak? by babbling and repeating whats said to them. As soon as the deaf baby - WITH HA/CI - begins this phase, the better!
The way to insure this, Jillio, would be to have that child implanted with fitted with hearing aids AS SOON as they're diagnosed with a hearing loss. and making sure theyre getting the BEST out of their hearing instrument.... otherwise what was the point of getting it?
Now, if this child does NOT have a CI or HAs, then yeah.. ASL is the way to go with him/her.
if the kid does indeed have some kind of amplification in the ears, then... USE the hearing s/he has. learning to truly USE that hearing, and to its fullest, really is in the best interest of the child.

Just like this oral boy who got referred to our program last year who has good speech skills but was reading at kindergarten level when he should have been reading at 4th grade level? And he was fitted with hearing aids since birth..HOH with a dB level of 40 to 50 range...

A year later, he is almost all caught up..apparently he had no congitive processing issues so it must be the lack of a linguistically rich environment that contributed to his delays? No? Whew! lucky he is almost caught up..

 

[Cheri]

Isnt that an insulting post to those who do not have brains? Tsk Tsk..

Have you noticed I put "giggle" at the end of my post? I was being sarcastic. Geeze.

 

[Cheri]

Cheri, u are so right in that. thanks for being blunt!

 

[shel90]

You know what I find so ironic?

Apparently oral English was taught first to you, me, sirena, and others who I can't think of right now, and NO ONE has mentioned a language delay.

Only complaints about missing out things while being at school or social situations. That's not a language delay.

Yea, but I lacked in so many other skills..like the ability to debate, write a critical analysis of a report, problem solving skills until I was almost 30. Looking back, there were a lot of skills I lacked in due to being in a restrictive environment.

Also, I missed out on what went on around me most of the time growing up. It was a good thing I loved to read or I would be screwed royally!

 

[Daredevel7]

Love your own voice? I dont know you so I wouldnt know.

Anyways...all oral kids have good developmental skills...if so, why do many fall so far behind or have language deficients? Those are the kids who do not have LD or any other cognitive processing disabilities.

Maybe I am just imagining the whole thing about oral kids getting referred to our program functioning years below their age appropriate levels.

There is a difference between kids who were started off with oral and kids who have excellent oral skills. Let me see if I get this correct. The oral kids that get referred to your program speak coherently (not talking about speaking well, but coherently) for their age (compared to hearing kids) but have horrible functioning skills? Could you be more clear?

 

[shel90]

Have you noticed I put "giggle" at the end of my post? I was being sarcastic. Geeze.

Thought u were laughing along with RD about some of us not having brains. See that's what happens..one can interpret the giggly face differently.

 

[shel90]

There is a difference between kids who were started off with oral and kids who have excellent oral skills. Let me see if I get this correct. The oral kids that get referred to your program speak coherently (not talking about speaking well, but coherently) for their age (compared to hearing kids) but have horrible functioning skills? Could you be more clear?

Just like Jillo listed all the different skills deaf kids can be put at risks for delays by not having full access to language. I will go back and look for it.

 

[Daredevel7]

Just like this oral boy who got referred to our program last year who has good speech skills but was reading at kindergarten level when he should have been reading at 4th grade level? And he was fitted with hearing aids since birth..HOH with a dB level of 40 to 50 range...

A year later, he is almost all caught up..apparently he had no congitive processing issues so it must be the lack of a linguistically rich environment that contributed to his delays? No? Whew! lucky he is almost caught up..

Where was he coming from? Another program? Mainstream school? What?

 

[rockdrummer]

Oh, then all the kids who got referred to our program as a last resort dont count? Just curious.

I never said that. I also don't know that I'm convinced that all of the kids in your program are language delayed because of non exposure to ASL. What methods do you use to conclude the language delay is a result of non exposure to ASL? Just curious.

 

[rockdrummer]

Thought u were laughing along with RD about some of us not having brains. See that's what happens..one can interpret the giggly face differently.

Laughing along with me??? You are mistaken.

 

[shel90]

Laughing along with me??? You are mistaken.

Cheri already corrected me. Thank you for double checking it. Yes, I was sadly mistaken. Life goes on.

 

[rockdrummer]

Cheri already corrected me. Thank you for double checking it. Yes, I was sadly mistaken. Life goes on.

Then I would appreciate if you would go correct your post. Thank you.

 

[shel90]

I never said that. I also don't know that I'm convinced that all of the kids in your program are language delayed because of non exposure to ASL. What methods do you use to conclude the language delay is a result of non exposure to ASL? Just curious.

They werent exposed to ASL before...they learn ASL, and their skills start progressing rapidly especially with literacy skills.


It is all about having full access to language. That's all. Once the kid fully understand the concepts of how the world works, then they develop a myrad of different cognitive processing skills. If they dont understand how the world works or dont have a theory of mind, then those other skills become difficult to develop.

 

[Daredevel7]

Just like this oral boy who got referred to our program last year who has good speech skills but was reading at kindergarten level when he should have been reading at 4th grade level? And he was fitted with hearing aids since birth..HOH with a dB level of 40 to 50 range...

A year later, he is almost all caught up..apparently he had no congitive processing issues so it must be the lack of a linguistically rich environment that contributed to his delays? No? Whew! lucky he is almost caught up..

What makes you so sure that it has nothing to do with your program being more supportive? It seems to me that even though we may disagree on some issues, you (or your program) go the extra mile for your clients, and I do believe that reinforcement and great support for the child is a HUGE key to their development. My mom and my speech therapist went the extra mile for me, not just doing their job, and I feel that it made such a huge difference.