Soy = Bad?

Pacman said:
Have you tried Lactaid? that's lactose fee milk...

It's taste like different, also I like it better than regular milk.
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Really? I never try that one, allright I will try it :)
 
That article is nonsense :pissed:

There are a lot of lies being spread about about soya. It's spread by the meat and dairy industry as they don't like the competion. As long as you avoid GM soya you should be ok. It's better then cows milk anyway. I can't understand how anyone can drink cows milk because not only do the cows suffer by having their babies taken away but cows milk is really bad for you. You can get cancer from cows milk. Plus it's full of pus.

Now here is an extract from an article that tells the truth about soya.

Cow's milk provides more than nine times as much saturated fat as soy beverages, so is far more likely to contribute to heart disease.
Soy beverages provide more than 10 times as much essential fatty acids as cow's milk, and so provide a far healthier quality of fat.
Soy beverages are cholesterol-free, while cow's milk contains 34 mg of cholesterol per cup, which again means that cow's milk is far worse for your heart and cardiovascular system.
Soy beverages lower both total and LDL ("bad") cholesterol levels, while cow's milk raises both total and LDL cholesterol levels, providing yet more reasons soymilk is better for your health.
Soy beverages contain numerous protective phytochemicals that may protect against chronic diseases such as heart disease and osteoporosis. Cow's milk contains no phytochemicals.
Men who consume one to two servings of soymilk per day are 70 percent less likely to develop prostate cancer than men who don't.
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The whole article can be read here: The Food Revolution
 
Awesome, Dreama! No wonder soy milk never make my stomach hurt like the cow's milk. Also I know cow's milk rots faster than soy milk.
 
Barbaro said:
I have heard this before. I use soy sauce for dinners. I don't drink plain soy milk very much. Vanilla soy milk is all right, but it tastes dry powder. I am not a vegetarian. I don't know if I can heard it right. I'm told there is B12 vitamin deficiency among vegans, vegetarians, Asians and Indians. (?)

I knew a friend who was allergic to tomatoes. Other ex-vegetarian is anemia due to b12 deficiency. I honestly don't know if it is coincidence or not.

Anyway, Besemiasno is correct. It is all about moderation and eat balanced meals.
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I have to do a little more research on this, but there is a specific strain of protein that can only be found in meat. Apparently, this protein is essential for the brain to function properly.
 
Sheila said:
I have to do a little more research on this, but there is a specific strain of protein that can only be found in meat. Apparently, this protein is essential for the brain to function properly.
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Hate to break it to you but you are way out of date.

Are Plant Proteins Second Class Citizens?
No, certainly not! Nutritionists once believed that plant proteins were of a poorer quality than animal proteins. And even now plant proteins are sometimes called 'second class' proteins whilst animal proteins are elevated to the 'first class' department. This belief centred on early research on the poor laboratory rat which showed that giving extra amino acids of weanling rats reared on a plant-protein diet improved their growth. The same was assumed to be true for humans. However, the parameters of the experiments were set in such a way that differences in the quality of plant and animal proteins were exaggerated. Also, rats and humans have different nutritional requirements, since weanling rats grow at a much faster rate, relatively, than human infants and therefore need more protein. A comparison of rat and human milk makes the difference quite clear: protein comprises only 7% of the calorie content of human milk, while rat milk contains 20% protein. If weanling rats were fed only human milk, they would not thrive. These tests over-estimated the value of some animal proteins while under-estimating the value of some vegetable proteins and The World Health Organisation has now abandoned this inadequate method of assessing the value of proteins to the human body.
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Plus there was no data about wether the rats were given any B12. They probably weren't. There was also no data on wether the rats had sufficent plant based protein in their diet. It's no good trying to discredite vegitarian/vegan diets without specifying what exactly the animals were fed on. If you were to feed rats exclusively on Burger and chips you would also find yourself with some extremely unhealthy rats.

The rest of the article is here: Protein
 
Soy is wonderful for me to consume, but, it'd mean more trips to the medical leeches to keep my protime stabilized.

Richard
 
dreama said:
The rest of the article is here: Protein
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The rest of the article... well being that it is on a Vegan page, I tend to think that it is... what's the word?... bias? So hold on a minute here...

Beef Facts

But then again, to be fair, I should also offer this site which agrees with everything you say:

PROTEIN-Meat
One problem with this website; Where is the proof? Who did they get this information from? Is this an organization or just someone with opinions?

Superfoods

And the kicker, an article from Psychology Today:
The Protein-Brain Link
Poultry, seafood and lean meat are the richest sources, as are dairy products, legumes, nuts and seeds. Grains and vegetables have protein too, albeit in lesser amounts but without the fat.
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dreama said:
If you were to feed rats exclusively on Burger and chips you would also find yourself with some extremely unhealthy rats.
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And excuse my french, but no shit. I'm not advocating a purely Burger and fry diet! Meat is one of the most common sources for calcium and protein consumption. We all know that calcium is EXTREMELY important for children and the elderly.
 
besemiasno said:
Well, I knew about some of the side effects. After all, why were we taught the 5 food groups and eating balanced? Having a soy-saturated diet is NOT healthy! Having a tomato-saturated diet is NOT healthy! Having a chocolate-saturated diet is NOT healthy!

See? It is all about moderation and eating balanced meals. Then, you'll be fine!
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Yes, that´s right.
 
Sheila said:
That's why I never understood Veganism or Vegitarinism or no carb diets. You can't cut an entire (or multiple) food group out of your diet! Ridiculous! I love meat and carbs and no one is gonna take that away from me!
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Yes, Vegetarianism and Veganism do eat carb. They eat low and health carb (wheat, rye, etc bread... pasta...).

It doesn´t mean that I am Vegetarianism or Veganism because I eat low and healthy carb and more protein foods (processed red and white meats, cheeses, cottage cheese, fishes, dairy, etc.).

I cannot eat carb in evening because I have problem with my stomach... I need to eat carb/protein in morning to noon and full protein in evenings.
 
Sheila said:
I have to do a little more research on this, but there is a specific strain of protein that can only be found in meat. Apparently, this protein is essential for the brain to function properly.
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No, it´s not just processed meats who have protein but dairy products including eggs as well.
 
dreama said:
If you were to feed rats exclusively on Burger and chips you would also find yourself with some extremely unhealthy rats.

The rest of the article is here: Protein
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Burger meats belongs one of unhealthy processed meats could risk your heath.

Unprocessed meats (lean meats like red and white meat with a very little fat)

I read your link "Protein Combining - Is It Necessary?" and disagree with part of your link saying that protein combing is not necessary. Protein is important part like other links, Sheila provided to. If you don´t eat meat then you can eat any dairy products because it also belongs protein, too.

Yes I do agree that kind of nuts do have protein BUT they do have some high good or bad fat.
 
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With Liebling all the way. I got my carbs from noodles mostly, and proteins from eggs, nuts, etc. I have been vegetarians for several months and feel the normal as I was used to.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, Vegetarianism and Veganism do eat carb. They eat low and health carb (wheat, rye, etc bread... pasta...).
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I know that. I was saying that I don't see how someone can have a healthy balanced diet if one were to cut whole food groups. Such as cutting meat, meat and dairy, OR breads.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
I don't hate cow's milk, it's just taste like too plain and nothing to me.. I was used to drink cow's milk all the times till I tried soy milk and I liked it better. People have individuals of taste and prefers ya know.
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Whole D organic is best tasty than cheap lowfat milk and everything. It got much cream tasty.
 
Sheila said:
The rest of the article... well being that it is on a Vegan page, I tend to think that it is... what's the word?... bias?
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And material written by the meat and dairy industry isn't?

Which Protein Sources Are Best?
Protein should come from plant sources, rather than meat, dairy products, and eggs, which tend to be high in fat and cholesterol and are always devoid of fiber and complex carbohydrates.

Concentrated protein sources include beans, nuts, tofu, soymilk, tempeh, seitan, and various meat analogues that can be purchased in any health food store or the vegetarian section of your grocery store.

If you aim to boost your protein intake, try these tips:

Top salads with a variety of beans, including chickpeas, kidney beans, great northern beans, and black beans. Or start your meal with a cup of veggie chili or curried lentils. These legumes have as much as 7 to 10 grams of protein per serving.
Shake it up! Blend non–dairy frozen desserts or soft tofu with your favorite fresh or frozen fruits and soymilk or rice milk for a thick, delicious, creamy, high–protein shake.
Marinated tempeh or veggie burgers, grilled on a bun or added to pasta sauce, offer a quick protein boost to any meal.
On the go? Try an eggless “egg salad” sandwich on whole–grain bread or slices of baked tofu with mustard on whole–grain crackers. In addition, sports bars and soy–powder shakes are quick and convenient supplements that can help increase the protein content of any well–balanced vegetarian diet.
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This is from another source. Found Here: NutritionMD.org :: Search Results

Also I noticed you haven't come up with an answer as to the age of the research claiming meat was best because it's 20 years out of date, it was using a differant species, AND they don't specify what TYPE of vegitables they were using. That's where the example of burger and chips come in because if someone did a study saying that the rats were doing badly on a meat based diet (one where they were only being fed burger and chips) without even stating this then you would have reason to complain too.


We all know that calcium is EXTREMELY important for children and the elderly.
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I agree. Where we disagree is that calf milk is the best type of calium because it isn't. You can get lots of calium also from green leafy veg such as Kale, Tofu, and suplimented soya milk.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Unprocessed meats (lean meats like red and white meat with a very little fat)
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All animal fats, such as those in meat, poultry, and dairy products are saturated
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Saturated fats are the very unhealthy fats. They make the body produce more cholesterol, which may raise blood cholesterol levels. Excess saturated fat is related to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.
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It doesn't say only processed meat it says ALL. And this actually comes from a non vegan source here: http://www.dietsite.com/dt/diets/HeartHealthy/fatdictionary.asp

I read your link "Protein Combining - Is It Necessary?" and disagree with part of your link saying that protein combing is not necessary. Protein is important part
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We KNOW that. What we are arguing is that non meat protein is inferior because it isn't. In fact it's a lot healthier for you.

like other links, Sheila provided to.
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Well that's just meat industry proganda so it's not worth bothering about.

If you don´t eat meat then you can eat any dairy products because it also belongs protein, too.
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Well actually dairy is a very poor source of protein. Rice, Pulses, Tofu, nuts, and certain greens such as Brocoli are much better.

Yes I do agree that kind of nuts do have protein BUT they do have some high good or bad fat.
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The fat that most nuts contained is good fat. The bad fat is saturated fat which is only found in palm oil and coconut oil so if you avoid these then saturated fat can be avoided too.
 
soy is for wussies.
real dairies and meats is for heroes and heroines.

ask countless meat-eating athletes and super stars.
 
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