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[diehardbiker]

I am networking Technician, don't forget that and I KNOW the difference. I have trained many people to identify the difference. Verizon called it router, because they installed modem outside (Usually) and installed router inside. That is why you got confused.

Let me ask you, how do Verizon connect from Fiber optics to Ethernet? They are two different media used, so Modulator/demodulator is needed to achieve the media changes.

Have you gone to school study these field? I already did!

Are a modem and wireless router two different devices? - Yahoo Answers

Verizon calls it a router, even though it is also a modem.

Network Troubleshooting | FiOS Internet | Residential Support | Verizon

I have Verizon MI424WR router. Now you understand why I said router in the first place. End of discussion!

 

[The Highlander]

Yeah..that's how we do the same here...

Even thermite grenades? '

You must be joke.

Right. For PC's not laptops.


Put one in the trash can or file cabinet with the classified stuff, then run.

My desktop use 2.5" SSD. SSD is not just for laptops only.

 

[diehardbiker]

Yup, your right on this one.

My desktop use 2.5" SSD. SSD is not just for laptops only.

 

[The Highlander]

Are a modem and wireless router two different devices? - Yahoo Answers

Verizon calls it a router, even though it is also a modem.

Network Troubleshooting | FiOS Internet | Residential Support | Verizon

I have Verizon MI424WR router. Now you understand why I said router in the first place. End of discussion!

It was just Verizon's words. Plus Verizon is broadband company and it's obvious that Verizon's "router" have built-in modem. Just go to newegg.com or bestbuy or computer shops since most of routers does not come with phone line port (DSL) or coaxial cable port. You will see what's different between modem and router.

DHB is correct.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I am networking Technician, don't forget that and I KNOW the difference. I have trained many people to identify the difference. Verizon called it router, because they installed modem outside (Usually) and installed router inside. That is why you got confused.

Let me ask you, how do Verizon connect from Fiber optics to Ethernet? They are two different media used, so Modulator/demodulator is needed to achieve the media changes.

Have you gone to school study these field? I already did!

I just found out that Verizon FiOS doesn't use a modem. Since you are "networking technician", you should have told me that. Obviously you didn't know shit about fiber optic internet service.

Direct Communications - The fastest, most reliable High Speed Internet in Eagle Mountain. The difference is our fiber optic cable to your home.

Do I need a modem with Fiber-to-the-home internet service?
No, your fiber connection does not require a modem. With traditional DSL, phone and Internet service share the same wires inside the home. With fiber-to-the-home, you plug your computer network cable directly into our optical network device, mounted on the outside of your home, and are connected instantly and directly to our network. So, you do not have to purchase a modem.

Will I need a FIOS "modem"? - Verizon FiOS | DSLReports Forums

FIOS does not use a modem. The Optical Network Terminal converts the light pulses into POTS, internet and TV signals.

Your WAN connection can be delivered from the ONT over MOCA (ethernet over coax) to the VZ provided router, or over cat5 to their router or yours.

VZ's standard install is coax from the ONT to the MOCA capable router they provide. Since you are getting internet only, you can request cat5 from the ONT to your router. However, the installer is not obligated to install cat5 between the ONT and your router.
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Frequently Asked Questions | Internet | Alliance Communications

What are the advantages of High-Speed Internet over fiber optics?

Here are just a few:

• No more modems. Fiber-optic technology doesn’t require a modem for its Internet service.

does verizon fios use a modem between the router and the internet? - Verizon Forums

Normal installations of FiOS as outlines above, do not use modems. Neither the ONT or router can be defined as a modem.

So now I can say that a router is required for my VP. In other words, without the router, my VP will not work.

 

[CrazyPaul]

It was just Verizon's words. Plus Verizon is broadband company and it's obvious that Verizon's "router" have built-in modem. Just go to newegg.com or bestbuy or computer shops since most of routers does not come with phone line port (DSL) or coaxial cable port. You will see what's different between modem and router.

DHB is correct.

See above. No wonder it's called a router. No modem is needed for my FiOS!

 

[Reba]

My desktop use 2.5" SSD. SSD is not just for laptops only.

For most of us peasants it is.

 

[diehardbiker]

CP, Highlander and I know what we are talking about. the Optical Network Terminal works exact same way as modem does, you see, Verizon said convert from light impulse to POTS, it is pretty much convert from one signal to different signal type, same with cable modem, convert from coaxial signal to Ethernet signal, hence its why its called Modem.

Please keep in mind, Verizon changed terms to make their own official terms, where the rest using standardized terms.

 

[CrazyPaul]

CP, Highlander and I know what we are talking about. the Optical Network Terminal works exact same way as modem does, you see, Verizon said convert from light impulse to POTS, it is pretty much convert from one signal to different signal type, same with cable modem, convert from coaxial signal to Ethernet signal, hence its why its called Modem.

Please keep in mind, Verizon changed terms to make their own official terms, where the rest using standardized terms.

Oh really?

First link is from Direct Communications which also provides fiber optic internet service. Please read its quote.

Second link is from DSLReports forums which don't work for Verizon. Please read its quote.

Third link is from Alliance Communications which also provides fiber optic internet service. Please read its quote.

Last link is from Verizon forums. Please read its quote which especially says that ONT cannot be defined as a modem.

All of them say that a fiber optic internet service doesn't require a modem.

Therefore, it's not just Verizon's own terms. When will you learn about those facts? Do you have a source that shows ONT is a modem?

 

[Foxrac]

I am networking Technician, don't forget that and I KNOW the difference. I have trained many people to identify the difference. Verizon called it router, because they installed modem outside (Usually) and installed router inside. That is why you got confused.

Let me ask you, how do Verizon connect from Fiber optics to Ethernet? They are two different media used, so Modulator/demodulator is needed to achieve the media changes.

Have you gone to school study these field? I already did!

Same here, I'm studying in IT as well.

You are correct about that.

 

[Reba]

I am networking Technician...

Have you gone to school study these field? I already did!

Good! You can help me with my homework next semester.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Same here, I'm studying in IT as well.

You are correct about that.

Are you agreeing with him that a fiber optic technology requires a modem? Didn't you read the quotes?

 

[diehardbiker]

Are you saying that you are trying to get free education? Get your ass back at school and majoring in computer field, AND you will find information down there. The information is not free, sorry buddy.

Don't forget the real definition of Router! Router can not change the media, IE: Cable to Ethernet, DSL cable to Ethernet, etc. The definition of router in the network is very simple, Its job is to share one public address with multiple private addresses. The rule of thumb is that each machine has its own unique IP address. No two machines can have same IP address, otherwise conflicts will occur. (You can test that by assign your two computers with same address and see if both of them can connect to the Net?) Back then, before 1993 there was no such thing as private IP address. If one company has 250 computers, they have to buy 250 addresses from ISP, really the lowest they can get is 252. But as soon as Internet exploded the public IP ran out so fast that somebody came up the idea of private IP address, with firewall concept, bam! Problem solved for another 14 years, now we are already ran out of public IP address. Soon we will start to see IPv4. Anyway, back to the point, how the world one come up with the idea of one public IP into multiple private IP addresses would be achieved? You guessed it right, it is router! These days, FiOS was not even exist, or not really heard of!

Do you have a source that shows ONT is a modem?

 

[diehardbiker]

Same idea, with wireless system. Do you call wireless Access point a router? You could say that because it came inside the router right? BUT the reality is, nope, wireless is not a router, just that "Wireless access point" being built into router called wireless router, why there is Ethernet in back of the wireless router? Obviously the wireless access point is just a feature on top of the switch, and switch on top of router, hence why Linksys called them ISR as Integrated System Router. Also, the wireless access point can be independent from router and behaves just a access point. For example Linksys WAP54G, check it out, it is not a router after all.

 

[Foxrac]

Are you agreeing with him that a fiber optic technology requires a modem? Didn't you read the quotes?

Yes, having fiber optic at home require modem or getaway to function because you need log in (PPPoE-style) to activate before you can use the internet and allow to transmit the data via modem.

With DSL, you have to login the PPPoE (modem, gateway or router) and modem or gateway must be present that allow to transmit the data.

 

[Foxrac]

Are you saying that you are trying to get free education? Get your ass back at school and majoring in computer field, AND you will find information down there. The information is not free, sorry buddy.

Don't forget the real definition of Router! Router can not change the media, IE: Cable to Ethernet, DSL cable to Ethernet, etc. The definition of router in the network is very simple, Its job is to share one public address with multiple private addresses. The rule of thumb is that each machine has its own unique IP address. No two machines can have same IP address, otherwise conflicts will occur. (You can test that by assign your two computers with same address and see if both of them can connect to the Net?) Back then, before 1993 there was no such thing as private IP address. If one company has 250 computers, they have to buy 250 addresses from ISP, really the lowest they can get is 252. But as soon as Internet exploded the public IP ran out so fast that somebody came up the idea of private IP address, with firewall concept, bam! Problem solved for another 14 years, now we are already ran out of public IP address. Soon we will start to see IPv4. Anyway, back to the point, how the world one come up with the idea of one public IP into multiple private IP addresses would be achieved? You guessed it right, it is router! These days, FiOS was not even exist, or not really heard of!

I paid a lot of money to get my education in IT.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Yes, having fiber optic at home require modem or getaway to function because you need log in (PPPoE-style) to activate before you can use the internet and allow to transmit the data via modem.

With DSL, you have to login the PPPoE (modem, gateway or router) and modem or gateway must be present that allow to transmit the data.

I have ONT and router in my FiOS system. There is no modem. Period.



Questions about the modem and router for VerizonFIOS - Verizon FiOS | DSLReports Forums

wmcbrine replied to OP;

There's no modem in the Fios system. A device called an Optical Network Terminal converts between light and electrical signals. It's a big box with a laser in it that they nail to your house.

kajabic00 replied to wmcbrine's comment above;

Technically, the ONT modulates/demodulates light frequencies. So, with that in mind, one could say that there is modem in the system.

More Fiber replied to kalanic00's comment above;

No it's not. Modulation implies a variation in either frequency or amplitude. FIOS is digital (zeroes and ones).
The laser is either on or off. Bits do not vary in amplitude or frequency on the fiber.

So there's no modem in a FiOS system. Do you still disagree with those two experts? I suggest that both of you and DHB go back to school to learn about this new technology. Do you and DHB have FiOS?

 

[Foxrac]

I have ONT and router in my FiOS system. There is no modem. Period.

Questions about the modem and router for VerizonFIOS - Verizon FiOS | DSLReports Forums

wmcbrine replied to OP;
kajabic00 replied to wmcbrine's comment above;
More Fiber replied to kalanic00's comment above;
So there's no modem in a FiOS system. Do you still disagree with those two experts? I suggest that both of you and DHB go back to school to learn about this new technology. Do you and DHB have FiOS?

I think you misunderstood again.

Check Verizon router+modem.
http://www.amazon.com/Verizon-Actiontec-M1424WR-Router-Cable/dp/B002V75U7I

Router + modem is KNOWN as Gateway.

Your router already have modem built-in so that called Gateway.

It looks like you playing with words and it is showing me that you are playing game with me and DHB. I'm not interested to play game with you and it will obviously make yourself stupid, also I'm seriously doubt that DHB like it either.

I live in rural area so there is no fiber optic and DSL is only option that offer to our area. I know my ISP - Windstream offered fiber optic (FTTH) to limited area, especially in Kentucky.

FiOS is not offered to all US and it is not available to at&t territory, so at&t offers U-Verse instead. There are too many different telephone companies from area to area.

 

[Foxrac]

Also, at&t U-Verse (fiber optic) uses modem too.
what modem for att u-verse? - AT&T U-verse | DSLReports Forums

Same goes with Verizon, they still call modem + router (known as Gateway). Some people called as just router.

CrazyPaul, there is enough to argue about words - that's not important.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I think you misunderstood again.

Check Verizon router+modem.
Amazon.com: Verizon Actiontec M1424WR FIOS Router/Cable Modem: Everything Else

Router + modem is KNOWN as Gateway.

Your router already have modem built-in so that called Gateway.

It looks like you playing with words and it is showing me that you are playing game with me and DHB. I'm not interested to play game with you and it will obviously make yourself stupid, also I'm seriously doubt that DHB like it either.

I live in rural area so there is no fiber optic and DSL is only option that offer to our area. I know my ISP - Windstream offered fiber optic (FTTH) to limited area, especially in Kentucky.

FiOS is not offered to all US and it is not available to at&t territory, so at&t offers U-Verse instead. There are too many different telephone companies from area to area.

Nooooooo, my router is not a gateway. The dumb seller is 100% wrong to put the word, "Cable modem". Cable? WTF? It's a fiber optic, not cable. It's very misleading! You are also 100% wrong. My router DOESN'T have a built-in modem. It's only a wireless router for Verizon FiOS. Please read the link from the manufacturer's website below carefully and tell me where a "gateway" or "built-in modem" is mentioned. EXPLAIN to me why Fiber experts say that there's no modem in the system.
DON'T play around with me!

Verizon FiOS Router - MI424WR for Verizon FiOS

DHB even said so.

Verizon called it router, because they installed modem outside (Usually) and installed router inside.

The point is that it's what Fiber experts say, not me (that's why I left MANY links and their quotes). Google is my best friend and you/DHB are not. Stop playing dumb shit with me like you argue with me while I just tell you what Fiber experts say. That's all.

If you don't agree with Fiber technicians, I don't fu*king care anymore. Enough is enough.

If you work for Verizon FiOS, you will be fired for calling ONT a modem as well as calling a wireless router a gateway because that's misleading. Since you and DHB are not Fiber experts, I suggest that you listen to what Fiber experts or technicians say because dial-up/DSL/cable which require a modem are different from fiber optic which doesn't require a modem due to its 100% digital (zeros and ones). If you don't believe them, that's not my fu*king problem. I bet you wouldn't dare to reply to the experts' comments in those links to tell them they are wrong.