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People with personal experience carry more weight with me.
 
Jiro said:
mind you - audiologist is not a medical expert. neither is speech-language pathologist. It's just a fancy euphemism to sound like a doctor with medical degree. ENT does not really counsel you on planning and such for your child's education and lesson plan. All they do is perform CI surgery. That's all.

What parents should do is to do their homework and stick with it. 50% of the problem - the experts can help you but the other 50% is your effort as the parent. Handful of parents don't do this. That's the problem within deaf community.
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Also, my daughter's audiologist and SLP both have Ph.D's, so they aren't doctors but they are well educated.
 
faire_jour said:
What if the parents do their homework and come to a different conclusion than you do? Is that ok?
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sure! why not? This is not a dictatorship. You are entirely free to do whatever you want to your own child. But you are here in AD, discussing that you beg to differ. Other than that.... it's your own child and you're free to do what you think is the best for your child. :cool2:

Shel and Jillio are just stating the flaws from your conclusion & reasoning and they used their conclusions & reasoning that are backed by research and results (with substantial source).
 
dreama said:
People with personal experience carry more weight with me.
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for me - people with personal experience + substantial background carry the biggest weight with me.
 
faire_jour said:
Also, my daughter's audiologist and SLP both have Ph.D's, so they aren't doctors but they are well educated.
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there you go. they're not medical experts.
 
Jiro said:
sure! why not? This is not a dictatorship. You are entirely free to do whatever you want to your own child. But you are here in AD, discussing that you beg to differ. Other than that.... it's your own child and you're free to do what you think is the best for your child. :cool2:

Shel and Jillio are just stating the flaws from your conclusion & reasoning and they used their conclusions & reasoning that are backed by research and results (with substantial source).
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They are others that don't feel that way. (see dreama's post) Their way is the only right way, and that bothers me.
 
faire_jour said:
They are others that don't feel that way. (see dreama's post) Their way is the only right way, and that bothers me.
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you can always leave :wave: not that it's the ONLY right way but it's an overwhelmingly right path to go down to.
 
Jiro said:
you can always leave :wave: not that it's the ONLY right way but it's an overwhelmingly right path to go down to.
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I think black and white thinking does more harm than good. There is no such thing as always right.
 
faire_jour said:
I think black and white thinking does more harm than good. There is no such thing as always right.
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that's correct and I agree but there is "more" right... meaning it's backed by majority/results/research/etc. Again - that "more right" isn't the answer for all either but it's "more right" because the majority benefits from it.

I hope my post wasn't confusing :dizzy:
 
Jiro said:
that's correct and I agree but there is "more" right... meaning it's backed by majority/results/research/etc. Again - that "more right" isn't the answer for all either but it's "more right" because the majority benefits from it.

I hope my post wasn't confusing :dizzy:
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I agree with every word in this post! :kiss:
 
Just out of curiousity. Would anyone think I had black and white thoughts if I said it was NEVER ok for a child not to be taught how to read and write?
 
faire_jour said:
Where did I say that we "should go back to mainstreaming and oral only method"????? Show me.
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You didn't say that but it was implied when you asked us about the study that ASL might impede the deaf kids' speech. It sounds like that if it is true, you would drop ASL right away.

In the history, the deaf people have made their feelings known on oralism. Oralism continues - why? Because the hearing people are so wrapped up in their own thinking that speech equals intelligence. I think the deafness of the mind is much worse than the physical deafness.

According to this link: Foundations of Special Ed.: Language Development: Using Asl In Hearing Classes ASL improves the hearing kids' literacy scores. Then should we push the hearing kids to learn ASL like we were pushed to learn speech (remember I was raised in an oral school in 60's)
 
The results of majority of us here that lived and experienced the oral approach only. Is unsubstantial. Not just for the fully deaf people that grew up in a oral approach only, but for the HOH as well.

Sorry that a certain post claimed that we may be lunatics. which I found to be insulting.

The evidence is here. Regardless of what the Medical people have told our parents.

I have to agree. Our experience outweighs what they have claimed to be the best for us.

Only if the medical "Pros" would see what we have actually experience and look at the other side. They will see that it outweighs their own conclusions, of their oral only approach methods.
 
faire_jour said:
I think they should be defending themselves instead of relying on you to do it.
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Many of us have come in this thread and in others giving our opinions so I dunno who you are talking about.
 
faire_jour said:
Because the hearing people are so wrapped up in their own thinking that speech equals intelligence.
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and stephen hawkins can't even talk.... never mind me. I'm being :topic:
 
I see that a lot was dicussed here and I feel I have already beaten the horse to a bloody pulp...no need to add more from me.

I like having both oral and signing skills. Just too bad that I didnt have both as a kid and I was stuck with the method that was more difficult for me all because everyone thought that was the best for me. Turned out that it wasnt. If that doesnt carry enough weight then my experience is invalid.
 
shel90 said:
I see that a lot was dicussed here and I feel I have already beaten the horse to a bloody pulp...no need to add more from me.

I like having both oral and signing skills. Just too bad that I didnt have both as a kid and I was stuck with the method that was more difficult for me all because everyone thought that was the best for me. Turned out that it wasnt. If that doesnt carry enough weight then my experience is invalid.
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But would your oral skills be the same if you had grown up signing? No way to know.
 
faire_jour said:
But would your oral skills be the same if you had grown up signing? No way to know.
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Nope, no way to know and nothing I can do about it. I am just glad to have ASL in my life and not have to struggle on the reception end anymore.

About 5 of my brother's classmates from the Deaf school can talk on the phone and chat with hearing non-signers without a problem. My mom said that one of them speaks more clearly than I do. None of them have CIs.

They all were educated using ASL at the Deaf school.

That is what many of us are trying to tell u...we know so many people who grew up signing and at Deaf schools also have good oral skills but yet you keep asking the question again and again giving us the feeling that u are disregarding what we have shared.
 
shel90 said:
Nope, no way to know and nothing I can do about it. I am just glad to have ASL in my life and not have to struggle on the reception end anymore.

About 5 of my brother's classmates from the Deaf school can talk on the phone and chat with hearing non-signers without a problem. My mom said that one of them speaks more clearly than I do. None of them have CIs.

They all were educated using ASL at the Deaf school.

That is what many of us are trying to tell u...we know so many people who grew up signing and at Deaf schools also have good oral skills but yet you keep asking the question again and again giving us the feeling that u are disregarding what we have shared.
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And other people have said that they know adults that have grown up oral and are very happy with it. Other's have know children who have grown up using CI's and had no language delays. These people are told that their examples are the exception and that they should be disregarded, couldn't the same be said for these examples?
 
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