Some Parents Choose Not to Allow Their Kids to Hear Obama's National Address

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I read the education speech transcript. I couldn't find any hidden political agenda or socialist remarks.
 
Except in that quote, she was responding to someone complaining about people talking about the President's race, not his voters. Additionally, she talked about people talking about his voting bloc's racial makeup. It's apparent she thinks talking about both is racist.

CJB said:
Again it's not just about race in general. It's about why people constantly turned to the race of the voters as the reason for why they voted for him instead of the politics.
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This is interesting. If it's racist to turn to race instead of politics to explain the motives behind his support, is it also racist to turn to race instead of politics to explain the motives of his critics?
 
darkdog said:
Except in that quote, she was responding to someone complaining about people talking about the President's race, not his voters. Additionally, she talked about people talking about his voting bloc's racial makeup. It's apparent she thinks talking about both is racist.


This is interesting. If it's racist to turn to race instead of politics to explain the motives behind his support, is it also racist to turn to race instead of politics to explain the motives of his critics?
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No. Because to say people only voted for him because he's black and they are themselves black is to say that he's not worthy of being voted for on the basis of his candidacy. We're not talking about his candidacy anymore. It's a different argument.
 
darkdog said:
Wait a second. I thought bringing up race is in and of itself racist.

"Even those who swear, 'I'm not racist.' can't see that their constant mention of race is, in and of itself, racist"- jillio

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/62888-interesting-article.html#post1274224

Note that I don't agree with your logic there, but if you still agree with it, then why are you mentioning race? Do you not have to follow your own decrees? If you don't actually agree with it, that means you're just making up ad hoc logic that's convenient for your current position in an argument rather than operating from universal principles. Either way, why should anyone listen to you about what's racist and what's not?
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No, dear, bringing up race in and of itself is not racist.:roll: Particularly not when it is brought up in the context of exposing the covert racist attitudes that are abounding.
 
CJB said:
I read the thread.







Again it's not just about race in general. It's about why people constantly turned to the race of the voters as the reason for why they voted for him instead of the politics.
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Exactly. Funny how the covert racists always want to point the finger at those who expose their attitudes.:lol:
 
Laura Bush defends Obama school speech
Posted: September 7th, 2009 04:36 PM ET

Former first lady Laura Bush is defending President Obama's decision to address the nation's school children.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Former first lady Laura Bush is defending President Obama's decision to address the nation's school children, telling CNN Monday that it is "really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."

"I think that there is a place for the President of the United States to talk to school children and encourage school children, and I think there are a lot of people that should do the same," she told CNN's Zain Verjee, in an interview set to air Monday on The Situation Room. "And that is encourage their own children to stay in school and to study hard and to try to achieve the dream that they have."

The former first lady said she believed criticism of the speech had arisen because of the accompanying lesson plans. If parents are opposed to the address, said Bush, "That's their right. You know that certainly is the right of parents to choose what they want their children to hear in school… (But) I think it's also really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."

Does she think it's fair to criticize Obama, as some have, by labeling him a socialist? "I'd have no idea whether it's fair, do you think I thought it was fair when President Bush was criticized — not really. So, I guess not," she responded.

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time - Blogs from CNN.com
 
CJB said:
No. Because to say people only voted for him because he's black and they are themselves black is to say that he's not worthy of being voted for on the basis of his candidacy. We're not talking about his candidacy anymore. It's a different argument.
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I still see no difference. I didn't think he was a worthy candidate to vote for. However, that doesn't mean I have to assume his voters felt the same way and only voted for him to stick it to the white man. Likewise, you may not think his critics' concerns are valid, but that doesn't mean you have to assume they feel the same way and only want to stick it to the black man.
jillio said:
No, dear, bringing up race in and of itself is not racist.:roll: Particularly not when it is brought up in the context of exposing the covert racist attitudes that are abounding.
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I'm trying to figure this out. Bringing up race is not racist, but constantly mentioning race is racist. Maybe if I just bring it up occasionally but not constantly?

Also, what if I bring up race to expose what I perceive to be the covert racist attitudes of his supporters*? According to you, that should be particularly non-racist. But wait, isn't that exactly what you were criticizing in that thread? Or is it only acceptable when exposing the perceived covert racist attitudes of his critics? What if both perceptions are simply wrong? Is one then more acceptable than the other?


* I don't actually think his supporters hold covert racist attitudes. This is just for the sake of argument.
 
Wow, I'm surprise that Mrs. Bush defended him! :shock: But, yeah, I agreed with her quote: "I think that there is a place for the President of the United States to talk to school children and encourage school children, and I think there are a lot of people that should do the same, and that is encourage their own children to stay in school and to study hard and to try to achieve the dream that they have."

BabyBlue, thank you for Obama's speech! :D I think it's so fantastic! I wish I know what my brother's reaction to his speech. =/
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Wow, I'm surprise that Mrs. Bush defended him! :shock: But, yeah, I agreed with her quote: "I think that there is a place for the President of the United States to talk to school children and encourage school children, and I think there are a lot of people that should do the same, and that is encourage their own children to stay in school and to study hard and to try to achieve the dream that they have."

BabyBlue, thank you for Obama's speech! :D I think it's so fantastic! I wish I know what my brother's reaction to his speech. =/
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I'll have to check out Obama's speech.
You'll have to let us know. :D
 
jillio said:
It doesn't have to be brought in. It has clearly been a part of the issue all along. :cool2:
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Maybe in your mind.

Which posters in this thread have said that they don't want their children to watch the President's speech because he's black?

Just as JFK's Catholicism was a part of the issue to his objectors. I can still rememeber the cries of "OMG, we can't let a Catholic in the White House! The Pope will be running the country."
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No relevance at all.

Anytime there is the degree of protest that we have seen against Obama, and protest that can not be supported factually, and protest that applies only to the Obama Presidency and has not been applied to past administrations despite similarities in policy, the issue is far more than disagreement with policy. What we are seeing now is the outpouring of irrational fear and emotion that has relatively little to do with political issues, and quite a bit to do with non-thinking reactions to other things.
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Even if your supposition is true, where is the proof that the "other things" are about race?

The people with whom I discuss politics, or watch on TV, or listen to on the radio, or read in the paper or online who disagree with Obama's political ways have never mentioned having a problem with his race.

Why can't you admit that people can have political disagreements that don't involve race?

BTW, I had plenty of complaints about Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton when they were in office, and they were Southern white good ol' boys.
 
jillio said:
No, dear, bringing up race in and of itself is not racist.:roll: Particularly not when it is brought up in the context of exposing the covert racist attitudes that are abounding.
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Right.

It's only racist if a conservative brings up race.

It's not racist if a liberal brings up race.

Apparently liberals know the "covert" attitudes that lurk in the hearts of conservatives. (I guess they aren't "covert" enough since liberals can easily discern them.)
 
Reba said:
Maybe in your mind.

Which posters in this thread have said that they don't want their children to watch the President's speech because he's black?
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The people with whom I discuss politics, or watch on TV, or listen to on the radio, or read in the paper or online who disagree with Obama's political ways have never mentioned having a problem with his race.
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The very definition of covert racism is that it goes unmentioned because it's subconscious.
 
Race is always AN issue no matter how much conservatives and liberals want to admit.

I didn't want a black president but Obama transcended that race and as a result, I voted for him. Also, I believe he's a lesser evil of two. It's that simple. I have prejudices but I am very polite and would not impose my prejudices on people.

Conservatives on the other hand WANT to impose their prejudices on us. Don't like gays? So what. Leave them alone. When gays want to marry, they want to deny their right. That's an issue I have with them.

Conservatives did not want blacks to have equal rights. They considered them inferior. That I have an issue when it comes to treating them in terms of legal rights. I hold low opinions of the black community in general but would I apply that to black individuals? No.

I feel the same for the gay community but I wouldn't for individual gays.

I am sure many liberals are racists or homophobes but uphold the belief that they believe they should not impose their prejudices on them. Conservatives, on the other hand, want to impose them and make laws based on their prejudices.
 
CJB said:
The very definition of covert racism is that it goes unmentioned because it's subconscious.
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That's my point. How can ADers accuse others of having covert racism if it's subconscious?
 
netrox said:
Race is always AN issue no matter how much conservatives and liberals want to admit.

I didn't want a black president but Obama transcended that race and as a result, I voted for him. Also, I believe he's a lesser evil of two. It's that simple. I have prejudices but I am very polite and would not impose my prejudices on people.

Conservatives on the other hand WANT to impose their prejudices on us. Don't like gays? So what. Leave them alone. When gays want to marry, they want to deny their right. That's an issue I have with them.

Conservatives did not want blacks to have equal rights. They considered them inferior. That I have an issue when it comes to treating them in terms of legal rights. I hold low opinions of the black community in general but would I apply that to black individuals? No.

I feel the same for the gay community but I wouldn't for individual gays.

I am sure many liberals are racists or homophobes but uphold the belief that they believe they should not impose their prejudices on them. Conservatives, on the other hand, want to impose them and make laws based on their prejudices.
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Conservatives and liberals are also individuals and can't be lumped into stereotyped groups.
 
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