Oh and rick............you think my reasoning is bizare? That is b/c you really have bought into the goals lock stock and barrel of AG Bell. You cannot see that MAYBE just MAYBE their philosophies on things are wrong. There're well meaning. Yes, it's true that it's no longer unusual to see 'terps at AG Bell conferences, but on the other hand AG Bell is still very deep in an audist philosophy and the opinon that the hearing and speaking and mainstream world is the best thing in the world.