So, will the deaf culture be there?

[jillio]

If it's not available there... maybe it's not the best place for your child to go to. Hmm-mm.

Yep. Very simple, isn't it?

 

[faire_jour]

Thank you, Nostradamus.

I'll revive this thread in 5 years when 10 more Deaf schools have closed and 20 more have switched to ASL-spoken English through audition Dual Language programs. Then we'll see who is right!

 

[Bottesini]

Bi-bi philosophy. I happen to agree with her. It is cruel. Education is about promoting understanding and comprehension, not about making it as difficult as it could possibly be.

AVT is cruel , is what you are saying?

 

[faire_jour]

Bi-bi philosophy. I happen to agree with her. It is cruel. Education is about promoting understanding and comprehension, not about making it as difficult as it could possibly be. Personally, you should be singing her praises, as she went out of her way to attend a session to be certain that she was making the best decision for the students in her school.

IT IS NOT DURING ACADEMICS, IT IS A PULL OUT SPEECH THERAPY SESSION. If I was asking for an oral program, I would be wrong.

So, you are saying all AV therapy is cruel?

 

[jillio]

AVT is cruel , is what you are saying?

I say the methods employed in ATV are cruel, yes. They impede the ability to comprehend fully, and thus are damaging in a number of ways educationally, socially, and psychologically. My opinion.

 

[jillio]

I'll revive this thread in 5 years when 10 more Deaf schools have closed and 20 more have switched to ASL-spoken English through audition Dual Language programs. Then we'll see who is right!

All about who is right, isn't it?

Wrong!! It should be all about what is most beneficial for the deaf children. Shame you have still not grasped that.

 

[deafgal001]

It is as simple as this. If you will not provide auditory training and spoken language therapy to kids with cochlear implants at your ASL-Deaf school, you will eventually run out of students. So, choose to defend your narrow-minded philosophy and watch your school close, or embrace the future.

It may get smaller or closed down, but deaf school will still exist. It have existed in small population of deaf back in the 1800 or so. we just happened to have a lot of deaf schools growing over the years due to population growth, but if deaf school do close down, everyone will just move and join a last standing schools and combination of deaf family all over the states moving and sending their kids to those schools will keep those school alive and open. Fremont probably be one of the school that everyone will move to.

 

[jillio]

IT IS NOT DURING ACADEMICS, IT IS A PULL OUT SPEECH THERAPY SESSION. If I was asking for an oral program, I would be wrong.

So, you are saying all AV therapy is cruel?

Pull out, schmull out. Still provided through the bi-bi program. The entire school operates under the same philosophy.:roll:

It is the same thing as demanding the Catholic Church, for example, abandon confession. Don't want to participate in confession, go to another denomination. Don't demand that an entire organization alter it's basic philosophy just because you don't agree with it.

 

[Banjo]

IT IS NOT DURING ACADEMICS, IT IS A PULL OUT SPEECH THERAPY SESSION. If I was asking for an oral program, I would be wrong.

So, you are saying all AV therapy is cruel?

Why cannot they just go to state-funded AV therapist? Pulling the students out of the classroom while it's in session... that's interfering with the learning environment. I was never a fan of having to leave the classroom for speech therapy.

 

[jillio]

It may get smaller or closed down, but deaf school will still exist. It have existed in small population of deaf back in the 1800 or so. we just happened to have a lot of deaf schools growing over the years due to population growth, but if deaf school do close down, everyone will just move and join a last standing schools and combination of deaf family all over the states moving and sending their kids to those schools will keep those school alive and open. Fremont probably be one of the school that everyone will move to.

There you go. It is not really about survival, as the deaf school will survive. It is more about how many children will receive less than adaquate education in other placements.

 

[jillio]

Why cannot they just go to state-funded AV therapist? Pulling the students out of the classroom while it's in session... that's interfering with the learning environment. I was never a fan of having to leave the classroom for speech therapy.

Pull outs are a big no-no to me. Why have a child pulled from a learning environment when it is completely unnecessary?

 

[deafgal001]

Why cannot they just go to state-funded AV therapist? Pulling the students out of the classroom while it's in session... that's interfering with the learning environment. I was never a fan of having to leave the classroom for speech therapy.

My son have speech therapy and they told me when his speech therapy comes, it doesn't matter what class he is in, they still have to pull him out. Even if it is Language Art. I didn't like that at all. But thankfully, it is once a week during gym.

 

[jillio]

My son have speech therapy and they told me when his speech therapy comes, it doesn't matter what class he is in, they still have to pull him out. Even if it is Language Art. I didn't like that at all. But thankfully, it is once a week during gym.

Thank goodness it is gym instead of Language Arts!

 

[deafgal001]

Thank goodness it is gym instead of Language Arts!

yeah, she had other kids and schools to deal with.

 

[Banjo]

Pull outs are a big no-no to me. Why have a child pulled from a learning environment when it is completely unnecessary?

Yes, it was a common practice for many years. I know because I was one of them.

 

[jillio]

Yes, it was a common practice for many years. I know because I was one of them.

It is still a common practice in the mainstream. Shameful. More emphasis placed on speech therapy than on academics.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Same here. I remember I was asked to go for speech therapy while the class was so much fun that I had to miss it. I was SO mad!!!

 

[jillio]

Same here. I remember I was asked to go for speech therapy while the class was so much fun that I had to miss it. I was SO mad!!!

Yep. And then they want to complain that deaf students are not reading above a 4th-5th grade level. What do they expect when it is standard practice to sacrifice academics to speech therapy? It just means that you end up with a kid that can say "undereducated", but can't read.

 

[Banjo]

and these sessions often would last 30 to 45 minutes, even an hour at a time... which is somewhat a considerate loss of time when added up over the years.

 

[jillio]

and these sessions often would last 30 to 45 minutes, even an hour at a time... which is somewhat a considerate loss of time when added up over the years.

One hour per week would add up to 480 hours over 12 years of education. Significant amount of time.