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So, will the deaf culture be there?
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I too would join in with that Botti.
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Maybe the grass will appreciate the fertilizer, or maybe it will turn brown with disgust.
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I think I know who will be the second person ever on my ignore list.
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If you wanna nitpick about screenames, then why the "Issues" in your SN? got issues with being HH?
Besides, I love someone who gives hell. Puts us in our positions and make us think twice.
Unless you are a religous zealot and cant handle the word, "hell", not my issue as it doesnt bother me.
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Ok, cuz I was wondering about and even asked you over at another thread what you meant by looking/acting old? shel90.....RIGHT ON!!!!!! We need to be child centered and give the child a FULL TOOLBOX of options, so THEY can chose which language they want to use!
We can debate til our faces are blue over the good parts of each methodology.....but it boils down to the fact that kids do best when given a full toolbox of options!
deafskeptic, good point! Dhh folks can hear at mild levels BUT we don't hear the way a hearing person hears. We hear the way a dhh person hears. We still miss a lot. Heck, research has shown that HOH kids(the kids who can be amped and mainstreamed really well) are still underacheiving.
I also don't get why rhyming has to do with learning to read. As a matter of fact I remember sitting in my second grade classroom staring at a worksheet being puzzled as heck over the concept of syllabals and long and short vowels.....but despite missing out on that I STILL learned to read ABOVE par.
FJ, you still haven't answered my question. How do you know that the oral deaf kids aren't just classifed as being on par for an ORAL DEAF kid?
We can debate til our faces are blue over the good parts of each methodology.....but it boils down to the fact that kids do best when given a full toolbox of options!
deafskeptic, good point! Dhh folks can hear at mild levels BUT we don't hear the way a hearing person hears. We hear the way a dhh person hears. We still miss a lot. Heck, research has shown that HOH kids(the kids who can be amped and mainstreamed really well) are still underacheiving.
I also don't get why rhyming has to do with learning to read. As a matter of fact I remember sitting in my second grade classroom staring at a worksheet being puzzled as heck over the concept of syllabals and long and short vowels.....but despite missing out on that I STILL learned to read ABOVE par.
FJ, you still haven't answered my question. How do you know that the oral deaf kids aren't just classifed as being on par for an ORAL DEAF kid?
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Wow, I detect some of arrogant attitudes in this thread.
Anyhow...FYI to those who think average reading level for deaf people aren't so great. Guess what? 50 percent of American adults are unable to read an eighth grade level book. Deaf people aren't the only one that's in trouble!
That's why newspaper are at or below 8th grade reading level.
And I feel like some are saying it's not enough for child, if parent are just starting to learn sign language as soon as they find out that child is deaf. I think most children will be fine even if parent just start out. Critical thinking is very important, not how good the child looks or how they fit in the society. I would rather have a child who go "Hey, something's wrong with society." and then work on it, rather than fitting in, looking pretty just because they can hear or speak their language.
And what's wrong with having English as one's second language...or third even?
And beside, ASL had more signs and sentences which can't be translated directly into English as well. Just as Spanish have over 20 ways of saying "love."
It's not the end of world, if child does not know the different between mare and stallion. Children with the love of reading will probably know what those are, and for those that don't...they are most likely to be gifted in other areas so. As long as you can read and write alright to save your own life, then it should be okay. Not everyone gonna be born an editor.
If oral works for child, then great. If ASL works for child then also great. None of one language is better than other. ASL is some of most difficult language in world to learn, so deaf people of US should feel honored if they know ASL. And to know English as second (also mentioned other most difficult language to learn as well). Deaf people who know both decently or fluent (oh and parent who knows too), double awesome.
I need to take ASL course since I was raised on PSE. My English isn't perfect and probably never will be which is fine as long as I can read at college level. I enjoy reading books. I still want to learn a third language, which I am sure I will never be perfect at either lol. Hopefully, just enough to get around the next time I visit the country where language came from.
Pretty much, I am a person without a native language of my own but that's okay. I think because of that, at times I am frustrated yeah but I also I enjoyed learning new thing about whatever the language got to offer.
Just that...it's not the end of world. Just don't limit child to spoken English or to ASL. Instead...teach them the world, such sponge thing the children are!
Anyhow...FYI to those who think average reading level for deaf people aren't so great. Guess what? 50 percent of American adults are unable to read an eighth grade level book. Deaf people aren't the only one that's in trouble!
That's why newspaper are at or below 8th grade reading level.
And I feel like some are saying it's not enough for child, if parent are just starting to learn sign language as soon as they find out that child is deaf. I think most children will be fine even if parent just start out. Critical thinking is very important, not how good the child looks or how they fit in the society. I would rather have a child who go "Hey, something's wrong with society." and then work on it, rather than fitting in, looking pretty just because they can hear or speak their language.
And what's wrong with having English as one's second language...or third even?
And beside, ASL had more signs and sentences which can't be translated directly into English as well. Just as Spanish have over 20 ways of saying "love."
It's not the end of world, if child does not know the different between mare and stallion. Children with the love of reading will probably know what those are, and for those that don't...they are most likely to be gifted in other areas so. As long as you can read and write alright to save your own life, then it should be okay. Not everyone gonna be born an editor.
If oral works for child, then great. If ASL works for child then also great. None of one language is better than other. ASL is some of most difficult language in world to learn, so deaf people of US should feel honored if they know ASL. And to know English as second (also mentioned other most difficult language to learn as well). Deaf people who know both decently or fluent (oh and parent who knows too), double awesome.
I need to take ASL course since I was raised on PSE. My English isn't perfect and probably never will be which is fine as long as I can read at college level. I enjoy reading books. I still want to learn a third language, which I am sure I will never be perfect at either lol. Hopefully, just enough to get around the next time I visit the country where language came from.
Pretty much, I am a person without a native language of my own but that's okay. I think because of that, at times I am frustrated yeah but I also I enjoyed learning new thing about whatever the language got to offer.
Just that...it's not the end of world. Just don't limit child to spoken English or to ASL. Instead...teach them the world, such sponge thing the children are!
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Hi SilentWolfDog, I quoted the literacy figures provided by Gallaudet (think it was their 1993 study): they compared median figures for the deaf against figures for hearing students. But every bit of literacy research I come across, from Gallaudet's to the data from the Commission on Education of the Deaf indicates that deaf children perform far, far below hearing children, and the #s differ slightly, but for that group of 17-18 YOs, most point to a similar score for deaf students at a 4th grade level vs. the score for hearing students at a 12th grade level.
Granted, these figures predated the possibility of CIs and newer hearing aids being included, so they aren't completely relevant to my child's environment, but they do tell us that our children are at risk if educated and communicated with the same way those children were. So I think it makes a lot of sense to shout those terrible numbers and change the system, the combination of teaching/communication methods used for those children who became adults with a crappy 4th grade literacy level.
You can do what you want. I just hope you're doing it for the right reason. And it's not cause you happen to disagree with my views.
Why? Just cause I don't agree with your "ASL/Deaf" views?
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