So...what you think about the health care bill?

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Eve said:
You know what's even sadder is that they will probably end up automatically deducting it from our paychecks.
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Eve said:
Please show me in the proposed plan where it states that.
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There's proposal.
America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Sets forth provisions governing health insurance plans and issuers, including: (1) exempting grandfathered health insurance coverage from requirements of this Act; (2) prohibiting preexisting condition exclusions; (3) providing for guaranteed coverage to all individuals and employers and automatic renewal of coverage; (4) prohibiting premium variances, except for reasons of age, area, or family enrollment; and (5) prohibiting rescission of health insurance coverage without clear and convincing evidence of fraud.

Requires qualified health benefits plans to provide essential benefits. Prohibits an essential benefits package from imposing any annual or lifetime coverage limits. Lists required covered services, including hospitalization, prescription drugs, mental health services, preventive services, maternity care, and children's dental, vision, and hearing services and equipment. Limits annual out-of-pocket expenses to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family.

Establishes the Health Choices Administration as an independent agency to be headed by a Health Choices Commissioner. Establishes the Health Insurance Exchange within the Health Choices Administration in order to provide individuals and employers access to health insurance coverage choices, including a public health insurance option. Requires the Commissioner to: (1) contract with entities to offer health benefit plans through the Exchange to eligible individuals; and (2) establish a risk-pooling mechanism for Exchange-participating health plans.

Provides for an affordability premium credit and an affordability cost-sharing credit for low-income individuals and families participating in the Exchange.

Requires employers to offer health benefits coverage to employees and make specified contributions towards such coverage or make contributions to the Exchange for employees obtaining coverage through the Exchange. Exempts businesses with payrolls below $250,000 from such requirement.

Amends the Internal Revenue Code to impose a tax on: (1) an individual without coverage under a health benefits plan; and (2) an employer that fails to satisfy health coverage participation requirements for an employee. Imposes a surtax on individual modified adjusted gross income exceeding $350,000.

Amends title XVIII (Medicare) of the Social Security Act to revise provisions relating to payment, coverage, and access, including to: (1) reduce payments to hospitals to account for excess readmissions; (2) limit cost-sharing for Medicare Advantage beneficiaries; (3) reduce the coverage gap under Medicare Part D (Voluntary Prescription Drug Benefit Program); (4) provide for increased payment for primary health care services; and (5) prohibit cost-sharing for covered preventive services.

Requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to provide for the development of quality measures for the delivery of health care services in the United States.

Establishes a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, financed by a tax on accident and health insurance policies, to conduct and support health care services effectiveness research.

Sets forth provisions to reduce health care fraud.

Amends title XIX (Medicaid) of the Social Security Act to: (1) expand Medicaid eligibility for low-income individuals and families; (2) require coverage of additional preventive services; and (3) increase payments for primary care services.

Sets forth provisions relating to the health workforce, including: (1) addressing health care workforce needs through loan repayment and training; (2) establishing the Public Health Workforce Corps; (3) addressing health care workforce diversity; and (4) establishing the Advisory Committee on Health Workforce Evaluation and Assessment.

Sets forth provisions to: (1) provide for prevention and wellness activities; (2) establish the Center for Quality Improvement; (3) establish the position of the Assistant Secretary for Health Information; (4) revise the 340B drug discount program (a program limiting the cost of covered outpatient drugs to certain federal grantees); (5) establish a school-based health care program; and (6) establish a national medical device registry.
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03200:@@@D&summ2=m&

It could be hard to understand to some people so wiki has basic define of this bill, that exactly what I'm talking.
Establishes a mandate to purchase private insurance for most individuals with an income above poverty level.
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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Let's not get personal. There are provisions within provisions in the health care bill that will absolutely destroy the private insurance business and basically force everyone onto the govt sponsored insurance program.
 
kokonut said:
Let's not get personal. There are provisions within provisions in the health care bill that will absolutely destroy the private insurance business and basically force everyone onto the govt sponsored insurance program.
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Good for you, I'm not going waste of my time to debate with your right wing stuff.

Mandatory insurance coverage is just like you are required to have liability insurance for your car so would same goes with health insurance if passed, for example.
 
Foxrac said:
Mandatory insurance coverage is just like you are required to have liability insurance for your car so would same goes with health insurance if passed, for example.
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If it were that simple, I wouldn't be so opposed to it.
 
Eve said:
If it were that simple, I wouldn't be so opposed to it.
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Remember, I don't support mandatory insurance coverage for health insurance but end up in no choice due combined with bills and I have feel that somewhat is big deal, even I don't know why they want mandatory insurance coverage for health insurance but jillio does explain why in other thread.

For me, I want ban on pre-existing condition and ban on deny of insurance that based on gender, age and medical history, that's part of my priority and I like idea about anyone could get same cost of private insurance as federal employees does.
 
Foxrac said:
That's laughable comment, no offensive.

You have military benefits, such as Tricare and VA hospital so come on when you are against on government, also same with Medicare when you turn into 65.
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Foxrac said:
That's laughable comment, no offensive.

You have military benefits, such as Tricare and VA hospital so come on when you are against on government, also same with Medicare when you turn into 65.
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Military benefits are earned by service. They weren't a gift from the government.

Medicare is earned (and NOT voluntary). It's not a gift.

I didn't have a choice to refuse "contributing" into Medicare. I am forced to pay that tax.
 
Reba said:
Military benefits are earned by service. They weren't a gift from the government.

Medicare is earned (and NOT voluntary). It's not a gift.

I didn't have a choice to refuse "contributing" into Medicare. I am forced to pay that tax.
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Yep. And as for Social Security, what we pay into are for those who are already on SS. We wont' get ours until we retire and the working population pay for our SS. A pyramind scheme.
 
Why shouldn't people have access to military healthcare?

The amount they make is below minimum wage from what I understand. They get food, clothing and roof over their head in exchange for military services. It only makes sense they get healthcare as well in exchange for military service as well.

I means, hell, I dabbled with the idea of the military before because I didn't like the idea of receiving hourly wages. So, I don't see why people are bashing TRI-CARE....
 
Ooops.....typo......The government insurance program is estimated to cost 'LESS' than the regular private insurance companies premiums. Not more as some like to imply. The idea is to create competitive companies. They have been setting policy and pricing as they please.....anti-trust.
Private insurance companies are probably the most spoiled industry in the world. Less service for more pay...and deny many options.Totally spoiled.

Cowpuppy said:
People want to freak out if a government insurance program is mentioned. Try and imply that everyone will be on this program and taxpayer covering it. The gov ins program is estimated to end up costing more than regular private insurance companies premiums. The idea is to enter competition into equation.....therebyreducing cost. Insurance companies have had a hayday with no competition. also, the new health plan is changing regulations particulaly anti-trust regulation which insurance companies have been exempt from in the past. Anti-trust laws prevent price setting.
I swear it sounds like some people are actually sounding like 'lobbyist' for insurance companies here.....only for a political purpose.
Crazy. Why would you beon thier sides. They been milkin you dry with no competition.
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