Should ASL be Banned from Deaf Ed programs?

Should ASL be banned from Deaf Ed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 8.3%

  • No

    Votes: 53 88.3%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Nuetral

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    60
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Angel said:
Absolutely, it does, I know that not all deaf people are capable of lip reading but I have lip-read all my life since oral was my first method of communication, and of course there was A LOT of speech therapy and practice involved, but I enjoyed every minute of it because it gives me the ability to communicate with others without depending on someone to help me out all the time.

But unfortunately, there will always be some people out there who don’t believe in us or our abilities.
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Singular ability does not extrapolate to the whole.
 
jillio said:
I hope you find my instructions useful in finding the research you want.
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Actually they are useful if I have the hours that it would take to locate something that you claim to know but can't simply provide an excerpt from with a link to the source to support your point. Like I said, if you are unable to do that then I can only conclude that you are sharing your opinion. Making general references to studies that are out there in my mind doesn't back anything up. Anyone can claim anything then.. Right... who should we believe?

What would prevent me from saying "there are studies that show deaf children learn better if they are taught orally". And them someone says show me the studies. Then I respond like you do. Please join us in the real world when you have a chance.
 
rockdrummer said:
Actually they are useful if I have the hours that it would take to locate something that you claim to know but can't simply provide an excerpt from with a link to the source to support your point. Like I said, if you are unable to do that then I can only conclude that you are sharing your opinion. Making general references to studies that are out there in my mind doesn't back anything up. Anyone can claim anything then.. Right... who should we believe?

What would prevent me from saying "there are studies that show deaf children learn better if they are taught orally". And them someone says show me the studies. Then I respond like you do. Please join us in the real world when you have a chance.
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:giggle:

I like you, rockdrummer :)
 
jillio said:
You are assuming that his language delays have been "caught up" based on the fact that he speaks well, and can use a phone after having been "trained"?
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No, educational level. Reading/writing/literacy skills and whatnot. He was very behind in that only several years ago.
 
rockdrummer said:
Actually they are useful if I have the hours that it would take to locate something that you claim to know but can't simply provide an excerpt from with a link to the source to support your point. Like I said, if you are unable to do that then I can only conclude that you are sharing your opinion. Making general references to studies that are out there in my mind doesn't back anything up. Anyone can claim anything then.. Right... who should we believe?

What would prevent me from saying "there are studies that show deaf children learn better if they are taught orally". And them someone says show me the studies. Then I respond like you do. Please join us in the real world when you have a chance.
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Here's a suggestion. Take some of the time you spend requesting that others do your fact finding for you, and dedicate it to actually looking for the answers you seek.

On the other hand, if you want me to do your work for you, then I would be employed as your research assistant. I will be glad to mail you a fee schedule for those services.
 
ouch :laugh2:

no such thing as free bread.... no such thing as free soup.... no such thing as free cookie....
 
jillio said:
Here's a suggestion. Take some of the time you spend requesting that others do your fact finding for you, and dedicate it to actually looking for the answers you seek.

On the other hand, if you want me to do your work for you, then I would be employed as your research assistant. I will be glad to mail you a fee schedule for those services.
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Here's a suggestion. Why not back up your research claims with citings and sources then people wouln't have to ask you to do what should be obvious. And if you think for one second the time it takes to request this from someone that claims to have it is less then looking for something that may be non-existent, you really need to join us back here in the real world. It's fine. Like I said. When you make claims that research has proven something without citing the research or providing a source (a resonable expectation) then I will view your comments as meer opinion.
 
jillio said:
You can sweep your carpet with a broom, too, but it is much more efficient and productive to use the vacuum that is intended for that purpose. Oral syntax is intended for auditory processing. ASL syntax in intended for visual processing. Use the tool designed to get the job done.
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Well said! I like that. Use the correct tool to get the job done right.
 
I think there's a big problem in here regarding citations. I think handful of us in here do not have access to academic research database so..... I guess we're limited to what? Scientific American magazine? wikipedia? :dunno:
 
web730 said:
....Never wanted to learn to speech cuz I'm too spoiled with the ASL. :laugh2:
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Really. So you must write alot to communicate with the non-signing hearing popluation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
Jiro said:
I think there's a big problem in here regarding citations. I think handful of us in here do not have access to academic research database so..... I guess we're limited to what? Scientific American magazine? wikipedia? :dunno:
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That too is part of the problem I don't think it is unreasonable to request a citing and source to back up claiims from research. What is there to hide? :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
I think there's a big problem in here regarding citations. I think handful of us in here do not have access to academic research database so..... I guess we're limited to what? Scientific American magazine? wikipedia? :dunno:
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There is a big misunderstanding as to when a citation is appropriate and when it isn't. That's the problem.
 
rockdrummer said:
That too is part of the problem I don't think it is unreasonable to request a citing and source to back up claiims from research. What is there to hide? :dunno:
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It isn't hidden. You have been given instructions for locating it.

I might remind you, you have also been offered full text articles vias email. You declined.
 
rockdrummer said:
Really. So you must write alot to communicate with the non-signing hearing popluation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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I don't socialize with the hearing world that much... I'm living in the deaf world much like 97% of the times. So it's pretty much a reason why I don't bother to learn speech and lipread. My wife is better at it so sometime she takes over for me whenever nec.

Whenever I approach hearing person on my own, I write and use speech and lipread little bit only whenever short. Also made few VRS calls with the hearing person(s) yet less than seldom.
 
jillio said:
It isn't hidden. You have been given instructions for locating it.

I might remind you, you have also been offered full text articles vias email. You declined.
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Yes on one occasion you offered but wanted my personal email address. You also know the reason I declined is because I am not comfortable giving out my personal email to a stranger on the internet. We also concluded that the article was to big to send via PM. Then I asked you to just quote the pieces that related to the points you were making with a citing and a source. I'm not sure why but you chose not to do that.
 
And of course, I communicate with some hearing people via emails esp in business and few forums which I frequently attend. Thanks to the Internet technology!
 
web730 said:
I don't socialize with the hearing world that much... I'm living in the deaf world much like 97% of the times. So it's pretty much a reason why I don't bother to learn speech and lipread. My wife is better at it so sometime she takes over for me whenever nec.

Whenever I approach hearing person on my own, I write and use speech and lipread little bit only whenever short. Also made few VRS calls with the hearing person(s) yet less than seldom.
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Are there alot of deaf folks in your area?
 
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