Should a pedophile be granted parental visits?

jillio said:
So, let's discuss them. They are very pertinent to my point.
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Your first offering is from May 19, 2006....and you jump on Yiz's a being too old!

"Do the reading and the research and then form an opinion."

Here is my opinion....

"The long term recidivism for convicted pedophiles is not knows. But in a five-year follow-up study of 400 convicted pedophiles treated in the community, less than 8 percent were accused of subsequent offense."

Too you 8% might seem good. However 8% of 400 is 32....8% of 4000 is 320....and so-on. To the child anything above 0% is too much.

"But the drawback chemical treatment.......is that it is not always effective in reducing recidivism rates among child molesters. Medication only treats those offenders whose behavior is motivated by an underlying paraphilic disorder, such as pedophila."

Any treatment of any method, to the child, must be shown to be 100% effective before the offender can be around any child.

Look at it this way. Re-title this thread.
"Should a drug addict, after treatment, be allow around drugs?"
"Should an alcoholic, after treatment, be allow around alcohol?"
No treatment is known to"cure"these two. And they are just behavior against ones self.

The child's well-being is paramount. Always has been, always will be. The System must show no mercy to those who violate the innocence of the child.
 
A Profile of Pedophilia: Definition, Characteristics of Offenders, Recidivism, Treatment Outcomes, and Forensic Issues.Full Text Available By: Hall, Ryan C. W.; Hall, Richard C. W.. Mayo Clinic Proceedings, Apr2007, Vol. 82 Issue 4, p457-471, 15p



Explanations of Pedophilia: A Four Factor Model.Full Text Available By: Finkelhor, David; Araji, Sharon. Journal of Sex Research, May86, Vol. 22 Issue 2, p145, 17p


Pedophilia.Detail Only Available By: Fagan, Peter J.; Wise, Thomas N.; Schmidt, Jr, Chester W.; Berlin, Fred S.. JAMA: Journal of the American Medical Association, 11/20/2002, Vol. 288 Issue 19, p2458, 8p


Perception of self and others in male sex offenders against children: Schema content and its relation to criminal sexual behaviour.Full Text Available By: Reich, Warren A.; Amit, Uri; Siegel, Harold I.. Journal of Sexual Aggression, Nov2009, Vol. 15 Issue 3, p305-317, 13p,


Recidivism in pedophiles: an investigation using different diagnostic methods.Full Text Available By: Moulden, Heather M.; Firestone, Philip; Kingston, Drew; Bradford, John. Journal of Forensic Psychiatry & Psychology, Oct2009, Vol. 20 Issue 5, p680-701, 22p


Treatment Considerations for Pedophilia.Full Text Available By: Rosenberg, Matthew. Behavioral Health Management, Jul/Aug2002, Vol. 22 Issue 4, p38, 4p


Psychopathology and Personality Traits of Pedophiles.Detail Only Available By: Cohen, Lisa J.; Gakynker, Igor. Psychiatric Times, Jun2009, Vol. 26 Issue 6, p25-30, 5p



Treatment of Pedophilia with Leuprolide Acetate: A Case Study.Full Text Available By: Raymond, Nancy; Robinson, Bean; Kraft, Chris; Rittberg, Barry; Coleman, Eli. Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality, 2001, Vol. 13 Issue 3/4, p79, 10p


More?
 
TXgolfer said:
Why not? After all that is what you claimed to use. Why would you post a bunch of googled links rather than post the sources you use? :weird:
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So that others could easily access them on the off chance that they will actually read and understand them.:cool2:
 
rolling7 said:
Keep them coming, you can bury me in reading them all. And I promise to read them all, maybe not comment unless you ask a specific question but, nevertheless, will read them all.
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How is anyone to know that you are reading them if you are not commenting on what you are reading?:cool2:
 
rolling7 said:
Your first offering is from May 19, 2006....and you jump on Yiz's a being too old!

"Do the reading and the research and then form an opinion."

Here is my opinion....

"The long term recidivism for convicted pedophiles is not knows. But in a five-year follow-up study of 400 convicted pedophiles treated in the community, less than 8 percent were accused of subsequent offense."

Too you 8% might seem good. However 8% of 400 is 32....8% of 4000 is 320....and so-on. To the child anything above 0% is too much.

"But the drawback chemical treatment.......is that it is not always effective in reducing recidivism rates among child molesters. Medication only treats those offenders whose behavior is motivated by an underlying paraphilic disorder, such as pedophila."

Any treatment of any method, to the child, must be shown to be 100% effective before the offender can be around any child.

Look at it this way. Re-title this thread.
"Should a drug addict, after treatment, be allow around drugs?"
"Should an alcoholic, after treatment, be allow around alcohol?"
No treatment is known to"cure"these two. And they are just behavior against ones self.

The child's well-being is paramount. Always has been, always will be. The System must show no mercy to those who violate the innocence of the child.
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2006 is current. Yiz's was from farther back than that. Plus, Yiz was citing data, I am not. It is still 8%. That also means a 92% non-recidivism rate.

Apples to oranges. No comparison whatsoever. But nice attempt at deflecting the topic.
 
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TXgolfer said:
Why not? After all that is what you claimed to use. Why would you post a bunch of googled links rather than post the sources you use? :weird:
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Now, now, TXGolfer...even you should know that only cowardly bullies get together to plan a 2 man attack.:nono:

Start reading. You have less time to play games.
 
rolling7 said:
Your first offering is from May 19, 2006....and you jump on Yiz's a being too old!

"Do the reading and the research and then form an opinion."

Here is my opinion....

"The long term recidivism for convicted pedophiles is not knows. But in a five-year follow-up study of 400 convicted pedophiles treated in the community, less than 8 percent were accused of subsequent offense."

Too you 8% might seem good. However 8% of 400 is 32....8% of 4000 is 320....and so-on. To the child anything above 0% is too much.

"But the drawback chemical treatment.......is that it is not always effective in reducing recidivism rates among child molesters. Medication only treats those offenders whose behavior is motivated by an underlying paraphilic disorder, such as pedophila."

Any treatment of any method, to the child, must be shown to be 100% effective before the offender can be around any child.

Look at it this way. Re-title this thread.
"Should a drug addict, after treatment, be allow around drugs?"
"Should an alcoholic, after treatment, be allow around alcohol?"
No treatment is known to"cure"these two. And they are just behavior against ones self.

The child's well-being is paramount. Always has been, always will be. The System must show no mercy to those who violate the innocence of the child.
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Yeppers. <8% recidivism rate. That means a >92% rate of non-recidivism. You just proved my point with my own link. Thanks!:ty:
 
Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective.Detail Only Available By: Sawle, Gary A.; Kear-Colwell, Jon; Gary A. Sawle; Jon Kear-Colwell. International Journal of Offender Therapy & Comparative Criminology, Feb2001, Vol. 45 Issue 1, p32, 19p,

Researchers Seek Roots of Pedophilia.Detail Only Available By: Lamberg, Lynne. JAMA: Journal of the American Medical Association, 8/3/2005, Vol. 294

Policing Pedophilia and the Virtual Public Sphere.Detail Only Available By: Harkins, Gillian. Conference Papers -- Law & Society, 2009 Annual Meeting, p1, 0p Issue 5, p546-547

Child Molestation and Pedophilia.Detail Only Available By: Fuller, A. Kenneth. JAMA: Journal of the American Medical Association, 1/27/89, Vol. 261 Issue 4, p602-606

A logical functional analysis of reinforcement-based disorders: Alcoholism and pedophilia.Detail Only Available By: Wulfert, Edelgard; Greenway, David E.. Journal of Consulting & Clinical Psychology, Dec96, Vol. 64 Issue 6, p1140, 10p

L}euprolide Acetate Suppresses Pedophilic Urges and Arousability.Full Text Available By: Schober, Justine M.; Kuhn, Phyllis J.; Kovacs, Paul G.; Earle, James H.; Byrne, Peter M.; Fries, Ruth A.. Archives of Sexual Behavior, Dec2005, Vol. 34 Issue 6, p691-705, 15p






Epidemiology and Treatment of Juvenile Sexual Offending.Full Text Available By: Gerardin, Priscille; Thibaut, Florence. Pediatric Drugs, 2004, Vol. 6 Issue 2, p79-91, 13p

Correcting Pedophilia.Full Text Available By: Kersebaum, Sabine. Scientific American Mind, Feb/Mar2007, Vol. 18 Issue 1, p62-62



Review of: Pedophilia and Sexual Offending Against Children: Theory, Assessment, and Intervention.Detail Only Available By: Kalmbach, Karen C.. Journal of Forensic Sciences (Blackwell Publishing Limited), Sep2008, Vol. 53 Issue 5, p1231-1232




The Screening Scale for Pedophilic Interests Predicts Recidivism Among Adult Sex Offenders With Child Victims.Full Text Available By: Seto, Michael C.; Harris, Grant T.; Rice, Marnie E.; Barbaree, Howard E.. Archives of Sexual Behavior, Oct2004, Vol. 33 Issue 5, p455-466

That should keep you guys busy for awhile. Let me know when you are ready for more.
 
rolling7 said:
"Should a drug addict, after treatment, be allow around drugs?"
"Should an alcoholic, after treatment, be allow around alcohol?"
No treatment is known to"cure"these two. And they are just behavior against ones self.
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I don't agree with this. These diseases affect families of the affected person. They affect victim of crimes commited by them too, such as DUI. They affect productivity of businesses. And so on.
 
Glenn said:
I don't agree with this. These diseases affect families of the affected person. They affect victim of crimes commited by them too, such as DUI. They affect productivity of businesses. And so on.
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Yes, they do. And...they are diseases of addiction. Pedophillia is not a disease of addiction. Therefore, one cannot compare it, in recidivism rates or treatment modality and efficacy, to addiction.
 
jillio said:
How is anyone to know that you are reading them if you are not commenting on what you are reading?:cool2:
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Nitpick! Others who read them might/might not comment, and, how would you know they read yours. I'm not alone here in thinking not every post needs to be mentioned.
 
rolling7 said:
Nitpick! Others who read them might/might not comment, and, how would you know they read yours. I'm not alone here in thinking not every post needs to be mentioned.
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Shouldn't you be reading?
 
jillio said:
Yeppers. <8% recidivism rate. That means a >92% rate of non-recidivism. You just proved my point with my own link. Thanks!:ty:
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And you just prove my point that an additional 32 child's life will be destroyed..
 
rolling7 said:
And you just prove my point that an additional 32 child's life will be destroyed..
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Nope. Not at all. My point was that recidivism rates for pedophillia were very low and that it was ameniable to treatment. I have proven that several times over. Keep reading. It will come clear.
 
rolling7 said:
Nitpick! Others who read them might/might not comment, and, how would you know they read yours. I'm not alone here in thinking not every post needs to be mentioned.
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It doesn't need to be a 30-page essay. You can ask a question about something in a linked article if you want clarification or something like that.
 
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