Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

[Jiro]

I don't think this guy is a terrorist..just someone who went off the deep end.

that would be call a radical or extremist.

About.com definition...

Funny... when a man shot and killed an abortionist, he's called an "extremist" or a "radical" but not a "terrorist" when the man had a social objective??!?

"The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

that kind of person usually employ the use of terrorism but not always. It can be just a speaker who preaches of his/her extreme view to others like Waco.

 

[Reba]

so do hundred of other soldiers aka CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR. He tried several ways to get out. he was ignored by military. so what about that? does that make him a terrorist?

As a conscientious objector he would have been assigned an alternative service. Alternative service includes health care. Therefor, that wouldn't change anything.

Selective Service System: Fast Facts

If he wanted to get out of the Army, he would have to immediately pay back the full cost of all his medical schooling before being allowed to leave.

 

[Reba]

that assumption has been shot down largely because of the fact that he tried to get out of army for a long time. None of this if the Army let him go with dishonorable discharge.

He wasn't eligible for a dishonorable discharge. A dishonorable discharge is the result of a court martial for a serious offense such as desertion. He was possibly seeking an administrative discharge.

 

[Eve]

A dishonorable discharge for desertion would still have been preferrable over what he did.

 

[Steel X]

He wanted the US to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Get out of Iraq, I wound understand that.

Get out of Afghanistan? Why should we? Obviously thats where most of the terrorist organization is held at...and they've pulled the attack on us first. No way we can just walk out and say "oh okay you got it you win." Fuck that. We ain't letting them get away free from this.

 

[kokonut]

Reports are now saying he's paralyzed from the waist down.

 

[Jiro]

He wasn't eligible for a dishonorable discharge. A dishonorable discharge is the result of a court martial for a serious offense such as desertion. He was possibly seeking an administrative discharge.

oh? interesting. what about exhibiting anti-American attitude?

 

[Jiro]

Reports are now saying he's paralyzed from the waist down.

yes that's what I posted a while ago.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Get out of Iraq, I wound understand that.

Get out of Afghanistan? Why should we? Obviously thats where most of the terrorist organization is held at...and they've pulled the attack on us first. No way we can just walk out and say "oh okay you got it you win." Fuck that. We ain't letting them get away free from this.

Just invite the Russkies in the game. They did a nice job of cleaning up Chechnya... even though they got a horrid human rights record because of that conflict.

I am obviously kidding about the Russian involvement, but if it took the Russians nearly two decades to clean up Chechnya along with all the terrorism that came from that place, then we haven't even scratched the surface with Afghanistan.

 

[Eve]

I am obviously kidding about the Russian involvement, but if it took the Russians nearly two decades to clean up Chechnya along with all the terrorism that came from that place, then we haven't even scratched the surface with Afghanistan.

true.

 

[Eve]

So why on earth would Obama now want to DELAY the investigation into the Ft. Hood massacre??? Could it be A) Obama doesn't want to admit an act of terror occurred on his watch, B) Just like he renamed the "War on Terror" an "overseas contingency operation," Obama has his own definition of terror, C) Obama is afraid the label "act of terror" will enflame the muslim world, or D) All of the Above?


Obama Urges Congress to Delay Fort Hood Investigation - FOXNews.com

 

[sallylou]

Maybe he is protecting the Army and the FBI?

 

[Eve]

Maybe he is protecting the Army and the FBI?

From what? Their own incompetence in the failure to act when they had the information....long before the massacre could have been prevented?

 

[sallylou]

Yes, that would be what he's protecting them from. And himself to a certain extent, too.

 

[Jiro]

So why on earth would Obama now want to DELAY the investigation into the Ft. Hood massacre??? Could it be A) Obama doesn't want to admit an act of terror occurred on his watch, B) Just like he renamed the "War on Terror" an "overseas contingency operation," Obama has his own definition of terror, C) Obama is afraid the label "act of terror" will enflame the muslim world, or D) All of the Above?


Obama Urges Congress to Delay Fort Hood Investigation - FOXNews.com

E) none of above

 

[Eve]

But Jiro, you are the one who keeps saying we should wait for the final analysis. How long should we have to wait? How long could Obama delay before he makes it simply go away?

 

[kokonut]

Obama doesn't want the word "terrorist" to come out else he'd be known the President with the first Muslim terrorist attack on Americans on American soil inside an Army base.

 

[Jiro]

But Jiro, you are the one who keeps saying we should wait for the final analysis. How long should we have to wait? How long could Obama delay before he makes it simply go away?

didn't you read why he urged a delay? hint - it's not to halt everything and bury it under the carpet

 

[Eve]

so he says....personally, I don't buy his excuses

 

[Jiro]

so he says....personally, I don't buy his excuses

and the top Republican (Michigan Rep. Peter Hoekstra) on the House Intelligence Committee as well. Rep. Howard McKeon too. Senator Joe Lieberman too (if I recall correctly - kokonut wanted him to open the investigation).

Military and federal agencies must be allowed to complete their investigation first without interference and contamination by overly-paranoid lawmakers' investigations.