Self-Esteem vs low self-esteem

Reba said:
I notice that Liebling doesn't use her own voice. She started this thread with a loooonnnngg quotation from another source. What's the difference? If Liebling can quote from a published source to make her point, why can't someone else quote from a published source (the Bible) to make another point?


I have already at "mother and daughter" thread and also respond CyberRed´s post here.


You made a wonderful points, Heatgirl...

Yes, I´m agree EVERYTHING what you said, Cheri.

I will be back for my further response posts about bibles. I really don´t understand some of you mentioned bible here. What´s that bible do with parents and children here? :confused:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
What´s that bible do with parents and children here? :confused:

Since you post the links from another source, I will do the same. Here's some explanation about self-esteem. I hope you understand where that came from.

Self-Esteem for Christians?
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/selfestm.html

Do children and adults really need self-esteem? Does low self-esteem lead to serious life problems? Should parents attempt to build self-esteem in their children? Does the Bible encourage self-esteem? Many Christians have assumptions about self-esteem. But, what does the Bible say? What does research say?

The Genesis of Self-Esteem

The self-esteem movement has its most recent roots in clinical psychology, namely in the personality theories of such men as William James, Alfred Adler, Erich Fromm, Abraham Maslow, and Carl Rogers. It became further popularized by their many followers. Nevertheless, the roots of the self-esteem movement reach further back into human history.

The self-esteem movement began in the third chapter of Genesis. Initially Adam and Eve were God-conscious and aware of one another and their surroundings rather than being self-conscious. Their awareness of themselves was incidental and peripheral to their focus on God and one another. Adam realized that Eve was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, but he was not self-aware in the same sense that his descendants would be. Self was not the issue until the Fall.
Partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil did not bring godly wisdom. It brought guilt, fear, and separation from God. Thus, when Adam and Eve heard God approaching, they hid in the bushes. But God saw them and asked, "Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" (Genesis 3:11).
Sinful Self

Adam and Eve answered with the first example of self-justification. First Adam blamed Eve and God, and then Eve blamed the serpent. The fruit of the knowledge of good and evil spawned the sinful self with all of its self-love, self-esteem, self-acceptance, self-justification, self-righteousness, self-actualization, self-denigration, self-pity and other forms of self-focus and self-centeredness.

The present Self-Etc. movement is thus rooted in Adam and Eve's sin. Through the centuries mankind has continued to feast at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which has spread its branches of worldly wisdom. It has branched out into the vain philosophies of men and, more recently, the "scientized" philosophies and metaphysics of modern psychology.

Religious incantations for self-worth, self-love, and self-acceptance ooze out of the TV tube, drift across radio waves, and entice through advertising. From the cradle to the grave, self-promoters promise to cure all of society's ills through doses of self-esteem, self-worth, self-acceptance, and self-love. And everyone, or nearly everyone echoes the refrain: "You just need to love and accept yourself the way you are. You just need to forgive yourself" and "I just have to accept myself the way I am. I'm worth it. I am a lovable, valuable, forgivable person."

Christian Response to the World

How is the Christian to combat the thinking of the world, which glorifies the self and places self at the center as the be-all and end-all of existence? How is the Christian to be faithful to our Lord's command to be in the world, but not of the world? Can he adopt and adapt the popular philosophy/psychology of his culture, or must he stand apart as one who has been set apart by God and view his culture by the light of the Word? Jesus said:

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light (Matthew 11:28-30).

Here is a call to give up one's own way and to come under the yoke of humility and service - an emphasis on yoking - on a teaching and living relationship. Jesus described His call for followers in different words, but to the same relationship and with the same intent, when He said:

If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it (Matthew 16:24-25).

No Self-Love Commandment

Jesus does not command self-love, but rather love for God and love for one another. The Bible presents an entirely different basis for love than humanistic psychology preaches. Rather than promoting self-love as the basis for loving others, the Bible says that God's love is the true source. Human love is mixed with self-love and may be ultimately self-serving. But God's love is self-giving. Therefore, when Jesus calls His disciples to deny self and to take up His yoke and His cross, He is calling them to a self-giving love, not a self-satisfying love. Until the advent of humanistic psychology and its heavy influence in the church, Christians generally thought of self-esteem as a sinful attitude.

In Part Two of this series, we will look at what the Bible says about self-love, particularly the Second Great Commandment, and what research says about self-esteem.

( Will continue on Part 2 )
 
Part Two

Even though the Bible does not teach self-love, self-esteem, self-worth, or self-actualization as virtues, helps, or goals, a vast number of present-day Christians have been deceived by the self-teachings of humanistic psychology. Rather than resisting the enticement of the world they become culture-bound. Not only do they not resist the tidal wave of selfism; they are riding the crest of self-esteem, self- acceptance, and self-love. One can hardly tell the difference between the Christian and the non-Christian in the area of the self, except that the Christian adds God as the main source for his self-esteem, self-acceptance, self-worth, and self-love.

Through slogans, one-liners, and twisted Scripture, many Christians jump on the existential bandwagon of humanistic psychology and set up their own cheering section. Thus, any criticism voiced against the teachings of self-worth, self-love, and self-esteem is regarded as ipso facto proof that the speaker wants people to be miserable. Moreover, any criticism against the self-esteem movement is seen as dangerous to society, since self-esteem is considered to be the panacea for its ills. Then, in the church, if one does not wholly endorse a self-esteem theology, he is accused of promoting worm theology.

If there is one thing the world and many in the church have in common these days, it's the psychology of self-esteem. Although Christians may disagree about some of the nuances of self-esteem, self-worth, and self-acceptance, and even on some of the finer points of definition and how it is attained, too many have joined forces against what they believe is a formidable enemy - low self-esteem. Yet, even the world cannot justify promoting high self-esteem through its own methods of research.

No Research Justification for Self-Esteem

A few years ago the California legislature passed a bill creating the California Task Force to Promote Self-Esteem and Personal and Social Responsibility. The legislature funded the bill with $245,000 a year for three years, for a total of $735,000. The twofold title of the Task Force was quite an assumption. No one has ever demonstrated that promoting self-esteem is in any way related to personal and social responsibility. Nor has anyone proved that all those who exhibit personal and social responsibility have high self-esteem. Self-esteem and social and personal responsibility actually appear to be negatively rather than positively related.

The Mission Statement of the Task Force is as follows:

Seek to determine whether self-esteem, and personal and social responsibility are the keys to unlocking the secrets of healthy human development so that we can get to the roots of and develop effective solutions for major social problems and to develop and provide for every Californian the latest knowledge and practices regarding the significance of self-esteem, and personal and social responsibility.1

The Task Force believed that esteeming oneself and growing in self-esteem would reduce "dramatically the epidemic levels of social problems we currently face."2

Is There a Positive Relationship Between High or Low Self-Esteem and Personal and Social Responsibility?

In order to investigate this relationship the state Task Force hired eight professors from the University of California to look at the research on self-esteem as it relates to the six following areas:

1. Crime, violence and recidivism.
2. Alcohol and drug abuse.
3. Welfare dependency.
4. Teenage pregnancy.
5. Child and spousal abuse.
6. Children failing to learn in school.

Seven of the professors researched the above areas and the eighth professor summarized the results. The results were then published in a book titled The Social Importance of Self-Esteem.3 Has the relationship been established between self-esteem and social problems? David L. Kirk, syndicated writer for the San Francisco Examiner,4 said it bluntly:

That . . . scholarly tome, The Social Importance of Self-Esteem, summarizes all the research on the subject in the stultifyingly boring prose of wannabe scientists. Save yourself the 40 bucks the book costs and head straight for the conclusion: There is precious little evidence that self-esteem is the cause of our social ills.

Even though they searched for a connection between low self-esteem and problematic behavior, they could not find a cause and effect link. However, more recent studies indicate a definite relationship between violent behavior and high self-esteem. Nevertheless, faith in self-esteem dies hard and schools continue to work on building high self-esteem.

Worse than the continuance of self-esteem teachings in the world is the faith that Christians continue to place in self-esteem and self-worth teachings. Thus, the secular self-esteem movement is not a frontal attack against the Bible with the battle-lines clearly displayed. Instead it is skillfully subversive and is truly the work, not of flesh and blood, but of principalities, powers, the rulers of darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, just as delineated by Paul near the end of Ephesians. The sad thing is that many Christians are not alert to the dangers. More than we can number are being subtly deceived into another gospel: the gospel of self.

Biblical Love

Jesus calls His own into a love relationship with Himself and with one another. Their joy is to be found in Him, not in self. Their love comes from His love for them. Thus, their love for one another does not come from self-love or self-esteem, nor does it enhance self-esteem. The emphasis is on relationship, fruitfulness, and readiness to be rejected by the world. A believer's identification is in Jesus to the point of suffering and following Him to the cross. Only through strained semantics, labored logic and exploited exegesis can one even attempt to demonstrate that self-esteem is biblical or even a part of the church tradition or teaching.

The focus of love in the Bible is upward and outward instead of inward. Love is both an attitude and action to one another. And while love may include sentiment and emotional affection, it is primarily volitional action for the glory of God and the good of others. Thus when Jesus said, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength" (Mark 12:30), He was saying that all of our being is to be committed to loving and, therefore, pleasing God. Love for God is expressed with a thankful heart committed to doing what pleases God according to what has been revealed in the Bible. It is not a grudging kind of obedience, but an eagerness to conform to His gracious will and to agree with God that He is the source and standard for all that is right and good.

The Second commandment is an extension or expression of the First Commandment: "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Mark 12:31). John elaborates on this. He describes the sequence of love. In contrast to the teachers of self-love, who say that people cannot love God and others until they love themselves, John says that love originates with God and then extends to others:

We love Him because He first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from Him, that he who loveth God love his brother also (1 John 4:19-21).

God loved us first, which enables us to love Him, which then expresses itself in love for one another.

From Adam's first breath, mankind was designed to live in relationship with God, not as autonomous selves. The entire Bible rests on that relationship, for after Jesus answered the Pharisee by saying that the Greatest Commandment is to love God and the second is to love neighbor as oneself, He said: "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" (Matthew 22:40). Jesus came to save us from self and to reestablish that love relationship for which we were created. Through the centuries books have been written about loving God and loving one another. However, today the church is increasingly inundated with books telling us how to love ourselves better, esteem ourselves more, accept ourselves no matter what, and build our own self-worth.

2 Timothy 3:2-5
"For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents,
unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce,
no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
holdin' a form of godliness, but havin' denied the power therefore. From these also turn away".


It's why I mentioned earlier in my previous post that God's Holy Scriptures are the BEST advice than mine, for He is more wiser... than any man's on earth. Do you know why ? Because, it solves easy rather than seein' psychologist, or psychiatrist, or counselor or any preachers on TV.

All this about "self-esteem" came from Robert Schuller's ideas.
 
Cyberred, don't u think God has His own pride with His own work? He created this world and universal. He should be proud of what He did. He loves it every minutes of it. Why can't we do same when we do some work and be pride in something? Not in destructive way but in postive way.


Children need to be praise daily to make them feel good about themselves after get in trouble once awhile. There is nothing wrong with have some pride in our life otherwise, we don't have a pride then we will be nothing.

It seems to me when a person who does not have any pride or self esteem, they are the ones who are already dead.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
... What´s that bible do with parents and children here? :confused:
The Bible has to do with every thing that happens on earth, every day, to every one. The Bible has a lot of information about pride, its causes and results.

I don't understand why we can't quote the Bible; how is that different than quoting a psychology website by James J. Messina, Ph.D. & Constance M. Messina, Ph.D.?
 
Let's not get off topic. We're talking about self-esteem, not the Bible.

Not everyone reads the Bible or is religious. Referring to the Bible to a person with low self-esteem won't help that person. If I had low self-esteem, I would feel better if another person spoke to me as HIMSELF/HERSELF... not refer to other things.

This is what I rather have...

Me: "I'm ugly."
Person: "No, I don't think you are ugly. You're a great person to be with and I think you have a lot to offer."
Me: "Thanks.

What I would hate is...

Me: "I'm ugly."
Person: "No, the Bible says everyone is beautiful."
Me: *thinking* "Umm... the Bible says that? But, what about this person? She probably thinks I'm ugly but won't say it."

I don't care about what some book says about me. I care about what other people have to say. That's more important.

Overall, I think it's important for you to think positive and straightforward instead of changing the subject or leaving the person out.

I've seen women who think they're fat or chubby, but to me... that's the way they are and they are still attractive. Everyone is attractive in many ways. The same goes for intelligence. People are smart in many ways, it's just a matter of how we look at that kind of intelligence. I have some friends who think they don't do math well and makes them look stupid. I'm good at math, but I don't care. It's not life-threatening to not know math. I'd simply point out that I don't care and that there are people out there who are good at math, but suck at English. There are people out there who are good at psychology, but suck at math. Everyone is different. I'll then emphasize that this person has other skills that makes him/her different from others. That's a lot better than saying, "Oh, well... God doesn't care. He still loves you." Who cares what God says. Who cares what the Bible says. What really matters is what I... yes... "I"... think of this person. If I think that this person is awful, then what kind of person am I? This shows that I can't be a good friend.
 
CyberRed´s post
Is There a Positive Relationship Between High or Low Self-Esteem and Personal and Social Responsibility?

In order to investigate this relationship the state Task Force hired eight professors from the University of California to look at the research on self-esteem as it relates to the six following areas:

1. Crime, violence and recidivism.
2. Alcohol and drug abuse.
3. Welfare dependency.
4. Teenage pregnancy.
5. Child and spousal abuse.
6. Children failing to learn in school.

This is low and high self-esteem like what I explained in my previous post, not healthy or good self-esteem.

2 Timothy 3:2-5
"For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents,
unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce,
no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
holdin' a form of godliness, but havin' denied the power therefore. From these also turn away".

It's why I mentioned earlier in my previous post that God's Holy Scriptures are the BEST advice than mine, for He is more wiser... than any man's on earth. Do you know why ? Because, it solves easy rather than seein' psychologist, or psychiatrist, or counselor or any preachers on TV.

All this about "self-esteem" came from Robert Schuller's ideas.

Again, this is low, high & bad esteem, not healthy and good esteem. I felt that you misunderstand what form of esteem we have. I already questioned you about form of esteem in my previous post what kind of esteem you beleive in? I´m waiting for your answer on this.


Liebling:)))
I found link about self-esteem:


Self-Esteem: What Does The Bible say?http://www.rbc.org/ds/q0503/ and then click "Why Is Self-Esteem So Important"?
http://www.rbc.org/ds/q0503/page1.html

What might seem hard to understand is that the way we feel about ourselves doesn’t just depend on our appearance or abilities. Much more important, our opinion of ourselves depends largely on how we have learned to think about ourselves from the important people in our lives. If the “significant others” in our life have helped us to feel important and loved, we will be inclined to have a healthy opinion of ourselves. If they have given us reason to feel inadequate and unneeded, we are apt to find ourselves thinking:

“There’s something wrong with me.”
“I don’t belong here.”
“I don’t like myself.”
“I don’t have what it takes.”
“I don’t compare well.”
“I want to hide.”

Bad self-esteem is a curse. More and more people are realizing that if you feel as if you have nothing to offer, you’ll act as if you have nothing to offer. If you think poorly of yourself, you will tend to act poorly. If you have a low image of yourself, you will be inclined to back away from relationships and challenges. If you are sure you’re going to fail, then chances are you will. Low self-esteem is like self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe you don’t have what it takes to win at life, you are apt to confirm your own prediction.

By contrast, good self-esteem is a blessing. Those who believe they have something to offer are more likely to make a positive difference in other people’s lives. People who have a healthy sense of self-respect are more likely to pursue relationships and challenges. Those who think well of themselves are more likely to fulfill their own expectations.

There is, however, a downside to self-esteem. Even as we acknowledge that healthy self-respect is an advantage, we need to acknowledge that there are dangers to the kind of positive thinking that is often encouraged in education, media, and even in religious circles. In an effort to help others shed feelings of self-contempt and self-rejection, many have promoted false hope.

Healthy self-esteem needs to be realistic. It’s not a self-confidence that says:

“I can be anything I want to be.”
“I deserve more.”
“I don’t need anyone else’s help.”
“I don’t have any regrets.”
“I don’t have any fears.”

Instead, the right kind of self-respect rests on a fair assessment of our real strengths and weaknesses. A healthy self-esteem expresses itself with a confidence that says:

“My life has a purpose.”
“I belong here.”
“I can love and be loved.”
“I need others as they need me.”
“I will seek forgiveness for my wrongs.”
“I can be anything God enables me to be.”

Thinking more of ourselves than we ought to think is just as self-defeating as a low self-image. Self-conceit can cause us to make unfair demands of others. It can lead us to believe we are entitled to what we don’t have. It can prompt us to ignore our need of God and others.


Now you see that what the other bible says different as your bible... :roll:

We are here to talking about how we feel...



CyberRed´s post
Do you know why ?Because, it solves easy rather than seein' psychologist, or psychiatrist, or counselor

Disagaree, I had an experience with therapies in the past and also therapies for my eldest son, too due his ADD behavior since birth. I beleive in psychologist, psychiatrist or counselor because their tips work WONDERFUL how to reduce my stress and change my form of discpline to my eldest son... It helps alot to improve children´s behavior what I have witness because the parents care about their children and want the help to improve their behavior... I went to parental conference to get awful alot of tips... Why? BECAUSE I want to avoid to have my children become volience, crimes, low and bad esteem, mental health etc. Its bad if parents think they know their children more than therapies to expose their children to kind of misbehavior.
 
Reba said:
The Bible doesn't use the phrase "self-esteem" but uses terms like "pride", "vainglory", "vanity", "haughty", etc.

Self-esteem is a modern concept. For thousands of years, no one worried about "self-esteem."

In the past, people honored humility, not pride. The biblical concept is it is better to focus on the needs of other people more than self.

We used to say that people with too much self-esteem/pride/concern were "egotistical" or "stuck on themselves". In sign language, both hands alternating, "ME-ME, I-I" or both hands "LOOK-AT-ME", with appropriate facial expression.

Sigh, now it is "every man for himself." "What's in it for ME?!" "What can YOU do for ME?" "I deserve it!" "You hurt my feelings." "It's all about ME!"

This is a high self-esteem ;)

Thru obedience they show respect, right? If they disobey that is also disrespect for you, right?

Respect

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/respect.html

Obey

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/obey.html

You can´t compare respect with obey... ;)

Obey = have to follow what my house rule says.

Respect = show their feel and thoughtful.


I expect my children to OBEY my house rule.
I expect my children to show their respect on my form of discpline.

What respect about is different as obey... I respect my children as they to us the same.

I let my children know how much I admire their good qualities and reward them sometimes and with my love and respect.

I don´t make my children listen me all the time because I also listen my children and their feeling, too and then hug them, smiling or talking with them are all rewards, that kind of respect I show them as they do the same to us.

I let my children know what exactly I expect from them and fix limit firm is obey which different as respect.

Why can´t parents being good listener if the children want to talk them when they suggest or disagree etc. We talked... I aploglise them because I made mistakes as they also apology to us what they made mistake, too. This is about respect and good esteem.. not obey ALL the time to parents saying "Yes Sir, Madam" but explain why they can or can´t... why no good etc. Be honest with children is most value than expect too much from children. IMO.

 
Liebling:-))) said:
...I had an experience with therapies in the past and also therapies for my eldest son, too due his ADD behavior since birth. I beleive in psychologist, psychiatrist or counselor because their tips work WONDERFUL how to reduce my stress and change my form of discpline to my eldest son... It helps alot to improve children´s behavior what I have witness because the parents care about their children and want the help to improve their behavior... I went to parental conference to get awful alot of tips... Why? BECAUSE I want to avoid to have my children become volience, crimes, low and bad esteem, mental health etc. Its bad if parents think they know their children more than therapies to expose their children to kind of misbehavior.
I'm glad that counselling worked well for you and your son. However, that is not always the case for everyone. Each family that seeks counseling needs to be very careful about which counselor they choose.

Most families raise their children fine without professional help. Most kids do NOT need professional help.

Counseling might be helpful for parents who did not themselves have good role models for parenting; that is, parents who were neglectful, abusive, alcoholics or drug addicts.

Counseling might also be helpful for children who have "special needs" that parents don't feel adequate to handle.
 
HeartGirl said:
I have good self esteem and confident.
If I feel bad about being overweight, I'll lose the weight.
If I feel bad about the way I look, I'll improve my looks by putting on
little makeup on or change hairstyle.
If I feel bad about the way I dressed, I'll buy myself new clothes.
If I feel bad about my life or lifestyle, I'll change it.


Positive and healthy esteem, you have... :thumb: Yes, I do the same as you, too.

I will make further post tomorrow to answer about my esteem... (German time is 11.00 pm... it´s time for me go bedtime...)
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=409902&postcount=14
 
VamPyroX said:
Let's not get off topic. We're talking about self-esteem, not the Bible.

Not everyone reads the Bible or is religious. Referring to the Bible to a person with low self-esteem won't help that person. If I had low self-esteem, I would feel better if another person spoke to me as HIMSELF/HERSELF... not refer to other things.

This is what I rather have...

Me: "I'm ugly."
Person: "No, I don't think you are ugly. You're a great person to be with and I think you have a lot to offer."
Me: "Thanks.

What I would hate is...

Me: "I'm ugly."
Person: "No, the Bible says everyone is beautiful."
Me: *thinking* "Umm... the Bible says that? But, what about this person? She probably thinks I'm ugly but won't say it."

I've seen women who think they're fat or chubby, but to me... that's the way they are and they are still attractive. Everyone is attractive in many ways. The same goes for intelligence. People are smart in many ways, it's just a matter of how we look at that kind of intelligence. I have some friends who think they don't do math well and makes them look stupid. I'm good at math, but I don't care. It's not life-threatening to not know math. I'd simply point out that I don't care and that there are people out there who are good at math, but suck at English. There are people out there who are good at psychology, but suck at math. Everyone is different. I'll then emphasize that this person has other skills that makes him/her different from others. That's a lot better than saying, "Oh, well... God doesn't care. He still loves you." Who cares what God says. Who cares what the Bible says. What really matters is what I... yes... "I"... think of this person. If I think that this person is awful, then what kind of person am I? This shows that I can't be a good friend.


I don't think we should teach each other to deny about themselves.
Pride is the word.
I rather have friends who are not afraid to tell me the truth.
Some Husbands always tell their wives they love them for who they are,
but the truth is no... they often cheat with slim women.
I know what the Bible said, but I really want to know what you think.
I know the truth hurts. I like this kind of friendly conversation....

Me: "I'm ugly"
Person: "True, but I wish to hang out with you."
Me: "Why?"
Person: "Because you're an interesting person."
 
Cheri said:
Oh and Liebling there are books you can look for in low self-esteem which called Warning signs by John Kelly and Breaking the chain of low self-esteem by Marilyn Sorensen. I don't own them but just giving you some ideas heh! I read some books at the mall and came across some good books, It made me understand my sister when she was going through bad marriage with her ex husband. She had really low-self esteem because of being violence abuse by her ex husband I learned her fears and help her get out of a bad marriage. After the divorce her self-esteem improved and helps her not to be afraid anymore. Some people can really overcome their fears and their low self-esteem I believe anyone can do it if they try to let the past sense go focus on their strengths. :thumb:


Yes, I know what form of esteems. I will make further post about myself tomorrow... *it´s time for my bedtime*...

Yes, it´s correct what you said about your sister and low esteem...
Domestic volience expose partner and also children, too because they witness it. I know what it alike because I had been through with my mother and her 3 husbands in the past.

Well, it´s not just domestic volience but form of abuses to affect children´s self-esteem.
 
Momoftwo said:
Amen!! I totally agree with you. It is so very true!!!!!!

In fact, many people don't like to hear the words of God and many people are afraid of God. So, that's why people insulted you or others for your words that you got from the Bible. Bible is the answer!:)

Stay where you are when you want to post with the scriptures in any threads. It's because people NEED to learn and hear. I really NEED to learn and hear.

I'm so glad that you provide the scriptures in many threads! Thank you so much!!:)

Momoftwo:)

This bible, the author wrote is their own opinion after use their scriptures... ;)

Let to talk about our esteem, please.
 
jazzy said:
Cyberred, don't u think God has His own pride with His own work? He created this world and universal. He should be proud of what He did. He loves it every minutes of it. Why can't we do same when we do some work and be pride in something? Not in destructive way but in postive way.


Children need to be praise daily to make them feel good about themselves after get in trouble once awhile. There is nothing wrong with have some pride in our life otherwise, we don't have a pride then we will be nothing.

It seems to me when a person who does not have any pride or self esteem, they are the ones who are already dead.


:werd:

Very true, Vampy.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
You can´t compare respect with obey... ;)
I wasn't comparing respect to obedience.

I meant that children obeying their parents is a way for them to show their respect for their parents. If children don't obey their parents they are showing disrespect for them.

Respect is more than feelings or words; it is action, doing.

Just like you show your respect for your children by paying attention to them. See, respect is not just "feeling" but action. You show your respect for your children by paying attention to their opinions.
 
Reba said:
I'm glad that counselling worked well for you and your son. However, that is not always the case for everyone. Each family that seeks counseling needs to be very careful about which counselor they choose.

Most families raise their children fine without professional help. Most kids do NOT need professional help.

Counseling might be helpful for parents who did not themselves have good role models for parenting; that is, parents who were neglectful, abusive, alcoholics or drug addicts.

Counseling might also be helpful for children who have "special needs" that parents don't feel adequate to handle.

Thank you.

Yes, with ADD or ADHD children are not very easy job for the parents. It took me over years to help my eldest son who had ADD. Now he doesn´t show his ADD behavior anymore. I use different diets for him, it helps.

All what I do is help him to develop his good and healthy esteem accord my good patience.
 
people did crimes because of devil's temptation.

1. desperate to have a new life, leave trouble past behind.
2. want what other people have.
3. wanna get out of debt and poverty.
4. get rid of someone, want that person out of their life.
5. psychological problem

I don't think it has anything to do with self esteem.
For example, "I hurt that person, because I am fat."
No, that wouldn't be that.
 
Omg! "favoritism" "circle of friends" Does that lines sounds familiar to you Liebling? :rofl: This person is just contradicting herself, should have a taste of her own medicine.


VamPyroX said:
Let's not get off topic. We're talking about self-esteem, not the Bible.

Thank-you! That's what I've been saying. :thumb: Plus I agree with your post too--well said, you just explain self-esteem! :thumb:

Liebling said:
Well, it´s not just domestic volience but form of abuses to affect children´s self-esteem.

Oh I know that I was only giving an example of poor self-esteem. ;)


And about kids developing their self-esteem when they do well in school, getting good grade making parents proud and themselves too. It's important pact on us as a parent to show them that they can do it, make them feel important and set their goals high and They will work their way up. Having self-esteem is very important part of our lives, even on kids to especially under peer pressure. Just like Vampy stated, each person is good at something, and each has their own good qualities, It makes them valuable it does help their self-esteem. ;)
 
Growing up, I always learned that it was good to have a healthy self-esteem. All the bible passages quote above refer to unhealthy self-esteem. It is my opinion that you bible thumpers are hypocrites if you deny of any self-esteem and so on. Why do you do things to help others? Why do you preach the word and try to open people's eyes to Jesus? Once a person has opened their eyes, you get all the tingly good feeling inside that you "served God." That is a part of self-esteem and self-worth, knowing that you are available to help others. It has nothing to do with excessive pride and greed. It's all about compassion.

Here is what I found from a Buddhism webpage:

Logo: Dharma Wheel by Bob Jacobson
A View on Buddhism

LACK OF SELF-CONFIDENCE

"Self-confidence is not a feeling of superiority, but of independence."
Lama Yeshe
PSYCHOLOGY

Lack of self-confidence or low self-esteem is not directly defined in the Buddhist tradition, but it would certainly be classified as a negative emotion or delusion, as it exaggerates one's limitations in capacity, quality and potential for growth. Briefly put, every sentient being has the potential to become a fully perfected Buddha, if one does not understand this, one is deluded in this respect.

Lack of self-confidence can be made up of several different aspects like: guilt, anger turned inward, unrealistic expectations of perfection, false sense of humility, fear of change or making mistakes, depression etc. Depression can actually also be a result of a lack of self-confidence. (See also the page on Depression.)

A view from Shantideva:

"Self-confidence should be applied to wholesome actions,
Overcoming of delusions and my ability to overcome them.
Thinking, 'I alone shall do it'
Is the self-confidence of action."

P.J. Saher writes in 'Zen-Yoga':

"Courage in an untrained mind leads to cruelty, and in a trained mind it leads to hope and compassion."

Specifically in the Mahayana tradition of wishing to lead all sentient beings to enlightenment, it is important to have a healthy amount of self-confidence, self-esteem and self-respect to bring this vast task to a good end. Obviously, overconfidence and pride are at the other side of the scale and to be avoided.
 
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