See this. It s a perfect example!

[dreama]

Sweetmind. I agree with you. I was also brought up with the Oral only aproach although I was born HOH so I had at least some useful hearing. I did wish I had been taught signing though. Then I lost my sight and it was difficult to learn after that.

Although I'm ok about a deaf person deciding to have a CI but they have to make that decision. Nobody else has that right.

As for me I'm glad that I am now profoundly deaf as nobody can force me to communicate orally with powerful hearing aids that give me migranes any more.

 

[Sweetmind]

Care to explain what the meaning of 'Audism' is ?

Audism

Audism


Audism (from Latin audire, to hear, and -ism, a system of practice, behavior, belief, or attitude) has been variously defined as:


The notion that one is superior based on one's ability to hear or behave in the manner of one who hears. (Tom Humphrey 1977, quoted in Zak 1996)


An attitude based on pathological thinking which results in a negative stigma toward anyone who does not hear; like racism or sexism, audism judges, labels, and limits individuals on the basis of whether a person hears and speaks. (Humphrey and Alcorn 1995: 85)


The belief that life without hearing is futile and miserable, that hearing loss is a tragedy and "the scourge of mankind," and that deaf people should struggle to be as much like hearing people as possible. Audists, hearing or deaf, shun Deaf culture and the use of sign language, and have what Reed and Teuber describe as "an obsession with the use of residual hearing, speech, and lipreading by deaf people." (Pelka 1997: 33)


The corporate institution for dealing with deaf people--dealing with them by making statements about them, authorizing views of them, describing them, teaching about them, governing where they go to school and, in some cases, where they live; in short, audism is the hearing way of dominating, restructuring, and exercising authority over the deaf community. It includes such professional people as administrators of schools for deaf children and of training programs for deaf adults, interpreters, and some audiologists, speech therapists, otologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, librarians, researchers, social workers, and hearing aid specialists. (Lane 1992: 43)

Audism is a term used to describe discrimination or stereotypes against deaf or hard of hearing people, for example by assuming that the cultural ways of hearing people are preferable or superior to those of deaf or signing culture, or that deaf people are somehow less capable than hearing people.

Audists can either be hearing or deaf. Audism occurs when a deaf person is judged as incapable of a given behavior, occupation, etc. simply because he or she cannot hear. Audism is often coupled with a "hearing" superiority: an attitude of thinking one person is superior to another person because he or she can hear better than him or her. Audism takes another form concerning interactions between the deaf: deaf people who will not use sign language and who will not identify with the Deaf community may consider themselves to be "better" than others who use sign language and are part of Deaf culture.

I think this is much easier for you to read this on your own level of understanding in English Language. NO more excuses for you not to understand because you are letting it go and dont want to bother what is the reason for me to bring it the issue about AUDISM. I think it s pretty clear for you to understand this if not then ask someone to translate from English written to ASL then you will understand it better afterward that you might realize what you are getting into your life after all u are really one of those Deaf children under control by Hearing people or Deaf people with their own audist attitude.


That is a real nightmare for me as a Deaf child by being a unreal Deaf person for years and years.

Thank you for your compliment for acting like No Deaf children can learn or improve their reading skills and writing skills without devices.. Scoffs!

Very disappointed and Angry to see this kind of audism as well. That s a degradatation of Deaf Languages of the Deaf Community in this whole world of Mother Nature as well as you are abusing the true visual language of the Deaf community. It s a real abuse to degrade on me and my hardest work to make a difference for myself and Deaf children as it shows the evidence in my own eyewitness if you mind.

Guess what, I have a problem with eyes, one right ear, and brain works that Medical Professionals and Oralism Educators doesnt even know what they are doing with a Deaf child. They damaged the whole area of inside of my head/face that I am struggling with. It proves me already they created me as a Deaf Disabled with my deafness all along that is a huge damage. Even though, it was not involved into a surgery at all. Thats the triangle problem of three things at the same time , I have from the beginning that no one even noticed. What a joke! No wonder u are too busy to focus HEAR AND SPEAK THAT IS A MUST while you are overlooking each Deaf child with their disabilities beside our Deafness, Deafness is not a disease.

The head is that I am speaking of, I hope somebody will help me to take a picture of my head without having a hair on it. You will see the middle spot of my head that has no hair in it and very pinky spot with a soothe skin that has a curve like the bottom of the cup. So you get the idea why I am so rebellious about every details in ASL, DEVICES, AUDISM, and many mores.
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Now you see this quote that I created it for a very good reason.

"Pure, Simple, Natural, Honest Total Communication; loving bonds between Deaf and Hearing people in this diverse world." Quote, Fact of Sweetmind's Beliefs in Natural Method: ASL. It tells you that there is "two way street" for Hearing and d/Deaf people.

Many thanks!
Sweetmind

 

[ismi]

. Audism takes another form concerning interactions between the deaf: deaf people who will not use sign language and who will not identify with the Deaf community may consider themselves to be "better" than others who use sign language and are part of Deaf culture.

Or vice versa.

 

[deafskeptic]

Exactly..I am sooo tired of seeing new older students coming to our school with a language level of a 3 or 4 year old when it was uneccessary since they had no cognitive deficents. It is a shame..

Nothing angers me more than meeting a deaf adult with no language skills.

 

[shel90]

Nothing angers me more than meeting a deaf adult with no language skills.

Exactly and it is that anger that makes me blind to reason!

 

[R2D2]

I really don't know anyone who advocates for the use of sign only. That is an absurd concept. Even the Deaf who choice sign as their preferred mode of communication use English in other forms. Only the oralist camp insists on the use of one language only.

Some people believe in the use of absolutely no devices, including hearing aids. Even if such children raised under such a system develop written English, the ban of all devices is an extreme position to me rather than a concessionary one. I'd say that most people here on AD have their hearing assisted in some sort of way.

 

[R2D2]

i've been befuddled by this asl-hating movement. the teaching and encouraging of signing -- asl and likes -- in hearing world is rapidly growing. many hearing parents are promoting and maintaining the importance of signing in raising their children, deaf or hearing, to tackle the advantage of the stage of early language development. the studies and researches support it. so what's up with "oralism, cued speech and no-sign only" movement?

I would go and find an ASL hating board and ask them. I don't think I've ever seen anyone advocate a "no sign only" platform here for deaf children. Many of us see the value in the use of sign early on for a deaf child.

 

[shel90]

Some people believe in the use of absolutely no devices, including hearing aids. Even if such children raised under such a system develop written English, the ban of all devices is an extreme position to me rather than a concessionary one. I'd say that most people here on AD have their hearing assisted in some sort of way.

I have never known a system that bans any hearing devices. All the public and deaf schools that I have worked in or visited always encouraged the use of some kind of amplification system.

I dont think I have met anyone who has said no to HAs to any deaf children...CIs yes, but HAs or FM system, nope. That would be new to me.

I have met several deaf adults who ban the use of devices for themselves and that's their personal choice just like any adult to choose to get CIs. My brother refuses to wear any kind of hearing devices cuz they give him severe headaches and leave him with a pounding heart. I have never experienced those kinds of feelings with my HAs so I have no clue to what it must feel like for him.

 

[R2D2]

I dont think I have met anyone who has said no to HAs to any deaf children...CIs yes, but HAs or FM system, nope. That would be new to me.

Sweetmind doesn't believe in the use of devices for deaf children - re read her posts.

 

[shel90]

Sweetmind doesn't believe in the use of devices for deaf children - re read her posts.

Oh really? I must have missed it. It is kinda hard to read her posts cuz they are long and require some translating in my head to make sense of what she is typing.

I agree with u..that is extreme.

 

[deafskeptic]

yeah, I've been trying to look for the post that you mentioned, R2D2. I've always had trouble with long posts and I'm having a worse time than usual today.

Would you mind quoting the relevant post by Sweetmind to us?

 

[Gamer12]

I would go and find an ASL hating board and ask them. I don't think I've ever seen anyone advocate a "no sign only" platform here for deaf children.

there are several posts and probably more if i can stomach it -- reading those pro-ethnocentrism posts -- in here, ci subforum. while it might work on others, your slyness does not work on me. i grew up in the mainstream school and the class i was in has almost filled up with oralists and ciers. i've been dealt with their ethnocentrism attitudes and behaviors for my whole childhood years. i know what i talked about. not a long time ago, i had kept my mind open and had reading the threads including these pro-ethnocentrism posts in here, ci subforums. in a few days later, the memories of bad childhoods in that class i had overwhelmed me. same attitude. same behavior. same everything. i objectively hoped that some things will change with time but it seems not. i'm fairly certain that some ethically and morally oralists and ciers who geniunely care about asl and its essential language development. but evidently, these people are a microscopic minority. having said that, it might surprise some of you, i have no beef with asl-hating people themselves but their ethnocentrism attitudes and behaivors? that needs to address brutally and viciously -- the same response i got from them.

Many of us see the value in the use of sign early on for a deaf child.

oh do you? when's the last time you post the pro-asl and likes articles or threads? right. someday -- if i'm bored enough -- i would go and search through your threads to see if you ever have done that before.

 

[Sweetmind]

Sweetmind doesn't believe in the use of devices for deaf children - re read her posts.

I love it since you dont read it carefully.. what s that topic means to you?

I knew it s coming from you and few others who denied themselves.. *258* in ASL.

 

[deafdyke]

Sweetmind, how am I audist? I'm not all "rah rah rah! Hearing only ASL sucks" I am not one of those AG Bell types who bash ASL as a tool.
We're just saying that being able to hear and speak is a good tool to have. It's exactly like how if you grew up in India, and spoke a minority dialect, being able to speak English would mean that you would have a really good tool.
What's wrong with having dhh kids use hearing aids and CIs if it helps them?
I can and do understand your reasoning. Speech therapy was fucking boring and fucking frustrating. It NEVER allowed me full and equal access to the hearing world. That said, being able to speak English has given me an awesome awesome skill.....I can interact one on one with lots more people, then I could if I was ASL only and hearing aid less.

 

[shel90]

Sweetmind, how am I audist? I'm not all "rah rah rah! Hearing only ASL sucks" I am not one of those AG Bell types who bash ASL as a tool.
We're just saying that being able to hear and speak is a good tool to have. It's exactly like how if you grew up in India, and spoke a minority dialect, being able to speak English would mean that you would have a really good tool.
What's wrong with having dhh kids use hearing aids and CIs if it helps them?
I can and do understand your reasoning. Speech therapy was fucking boring and fucking frustrating. It NEVER allowed me full and equal access to the hearing world. That said, being able to speak English has given me an awesome awesome skill.....I can interact one on one with lots more people, then I could if I was ASL only and hearing aid less.

I agree...I dont want to be ASL only nor oral only..I want BOTH!!!! I was denied ASL and I am pissed about it!

 

[R2D2]

yeah, I've been trying to look for the post that you mentioned, R2D2. I've always had trouble with long posts and I'm having a worse time than usual today.

Would you mind quoting the relevant post by Sweetmind to us?

From post 84 of this thread:

feel it should eliminated the oral method out of the classroom while Deaf or Hearing teachers could make their own choice not to use their voices cuz SIGNED ENGLISH language is the most important for us to READ and WRITE while we have a real visual langauge in ASL that goes along with BI BI languages not by our Deaf ears with devices.

 

[deafskeptic]

Ah. I interpreted that post to mean that she was against the oral way only. Many oralists will use hearing aids and other assistive aids even when deaf get little benefit from them in order to make them make them use the little hearing that they have left.

 

[R2D2]

Many of us see the value in the use of sign early on for a deaf child.

oh do you? when's the last time you post the pro-asl and likes articles or threads? right. someday -- if i'm bored enough -- i would go and search through your threads to see if you ever have done that before.

I did post a very long Australian article about the value of bilingualism, which I recall Shel said she agreed with completely. However, with the lovely, non personal tone of your post (not), I just can't be bothered providing you a link especially since I don't have to prove anything to you. It's only the internet, after all.

 

[R2D2]

Ah. I interpreted that post to mean that she was against the oral way only. Many oralists will use hearing aids and other assistive aids even when deaf get little benefit from them in order to make them make them use the little hearing that they have left.

I'll leave that with you and Sweetmind to clarify. If she accepts the use of HAs and CIs within a Bi Bi program of both ASL and oral learning then great.

 

[deafskeptic]

I'll leave that with you and Sweetmind to clarify. If she accepts the use of HAs and CIs within a Bi Bi program of both ASL and oral learning then great.

I think it will be best for Sweetmind to explain what she means as I can only guess at what she means.