S.D. banned Abortion.

[Taylor]

Without getting into the moral issues of abortion, this will definately be challenged in courts. Lower courts will not reverse a higher courts decision (Roe vs Wade). The first person that gets arrested, this will be challenged and make its way up the ladder. I don't see it going to the Supreme Court, however, as I don't think they will rule on it. A lower court will say that its unconstitutional and overturn it.

 

[The*Empress]

Miss. Bill to Ban Most Abortions Advances
AP - 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
JACKSON, Miss. - A state House committee voted to ban most abortions in Mississippi, which already has some of the strictest abortion laws in the nation. The bill approved by the House Public Health Committee on Tuesday would allow abortion only to save the pregnant woman's life. It would make no exception in cases of rape or incest. The bill now goes to the full House, which could vote next week, and then to the Senate.



oh oh :-o

 

[Reba]

oh oh :-o

 

[Beowulf]

Without getting into the moral issues of abortion, this will definately be challenged in courts. Lower courts will not reverse a higher courts decision (Roe vs Wade). The first person that gets arrested, this will be challenged and make its way up the ladder. I don't see it going to the Supreme Court, however, as I don't think they will rule on it. A lower court will say that its unconstitutional and overturn it.

Yup.

 

[The*Empress]

S.D. Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law By CHET BROKAW, Associated Press Writer
Mon Mar 6, 3:43 PM ET



PIERRE, S.D. - Gov. Mike Rounds signed legislation Monday banning nearly all abortions in South Dakota, setting up a court fight aimed at challenging the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.


The bill would make it a crime for doctors to perform an abortion unless the procedure was necessary to save the woman's life. It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.

Planned Parenthood, which operates the state's only abortion clinic, in Sioux Falls, has pledged to challenge the measure.

Rounds issued a written statement saying he expects the law will be tied up in court for years and will not take effect unless the U.S. Supreme Court upholds it.

"In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society. The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them," Rounds said in the statement.

The governor declined all media requests for interviews Monday.

The Legislature passed the bill last month after supporters argued that the recent appointment of conservative justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito have made the U.S. Supreme Court more likely to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Abortion opponents already are offering money to help the state pay legal bills for the anticipated court challenge, Rounds has said. Lawmakers said an anonymous donor has pledged $1 million to defend the ban, and the Legislature set up a special account to accept donations for legal fees.

Under the new law, to go into effect July 1, doctors could get up to five years in prison for performing an illegal abortion.

Rounds noted that it was written to make sure existing restrictions would still be enforced during the legal battle. Current state law sets increasingly stringent restrictions on abortions as pregnancy progresses; after the 24th week, the procedure is allowed only to protect the woman's health and safety.

Kate Looby, state director of Planned Parenthood, said the organization has not yet decided whether to challenge the measure in court or to seek a statewide public vote in November. A referendum would either repeal the abortion ban or delay a court challenge to the legislation.

"Obviously, we're very disappointed that Governor Rounds has sided on the side of politics rather than on the side of the women of South Dakota to protect their health and safety," Looby said.

She said Planned Parenthood would continue providing services that include family planning, emergency contraception and safe and legal abortions.

About 800 abortions are performed each year in the state.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Miss. Bill to Ban Most Abortions Advances
AP - 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
JACKSON, Miss. - A state House committee voted to ban most abortions in Mississippi, which already has some of the strictest abortion laws in the nation. The bill approved by the House Public Health Committee on Tuesday would allow abortion only to save the pregnant woman's life. It would make no exception in cases of rape or incest. The bill now goes to the full House, which could vote next week, and then to the Senate.



oh oh :-o

Oh dear, I feel bad for women who can't have their choice... I think they should have abortion restriction instead of ban.

I bet you that it would be more illegal after ban abortions...

 

[Heath]

Hopefully abortion will be banned in all 50 states....

 

[Teresh]

Hopefully abortion will be banned in all 50 states....

Won't happen. Ever. You may dislike abortion, and if you were a woman (which you're not, so you're speaking from an ignorant perspective), it would be your choice whether or not you wanted to get one should you have become pregnant. You don't believe in abortion. That's nice. Some people do. It's not your place to tell them they can't get one because you wouldn't get one yourself.

Do you think cigarrettes should be illegal too?

 

[Sweetmind]

None of anyone s business since our women's body belongs to ourselves. We have the right to make the decision since we are dealing with many problems in mans world.

I will help anyone who ask me for a help and support them. I ll be there and keep it to myself that no one needs to know.

Why should we control people s lives? I dont need that BS.

Also no need to make the bad judgement toward women. I have seen many men offered their women to get abortion so what is your point?? Many men dont want to take the responsiblity or pay the child support. There are too much DeadMeat DAD out there. Sighs!

Sweetmind

 

[The*Empress]

Do you think cigarrettes should be illegal too?

yes,

Smoking is leading cause of Lung Cancer.

 

[The*Empress]

Two More Women Die After Using the RU-486 By ANDREW BRIDGES, Associated Press Writer
9 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Two more women have died after using the abortion pill RU-486, federal health regulators said Friday, in warning doctors to watch for a rare but deadly infection implicated in earlier deaths.


At least seven U.S. women have died after taking the pill, sold since 2000. The Food and Drug Administration cannot prove the drug was to blame in any of the cases.

In a cluster of four cases in California, the women died from an infection of the bloodstream, or sepsis. Those women did not follow FDA-approved instructions for the pill-triggered abortion, which requires swallowing three tablets of one drug, followed by two of another two days later.

Instead of swallowing the final two tablets, the second course of pills was inserted vaginally in the four women, a so-called "off-label" use of the drug that studies show works and is widely recommended by abortion clinics but does not have federal approval.

The FDA has not confirmed the cause of the latest two deaths. But the symptoms appear to match those seen in the California cases, as do the circumstances, an FDA spokeswoman said. The spokeswoman declined to be identified, saying she could not speak publicly about the issue.

RU-486 is also called Mifeprex or mifepristone. It is sold by Danco Laboratories and is approved to terminate pregnancy up to 49 days after the beginning of the last menstrual cycle. It blocks a hormone required to sustain a pregnancy. When followed two days later by another medicine, misoprostol, to induce contractions, the pregnancy is terminated.

The FDA previously has said the abortion pill remains safe enough to stay on the market. The rate of sepsis is about 1 in 100,000 uses, comparable to infection risks with surgical abortions and childbirth.

The other U.S. death associated with Mifeprex was a case of a ruptured ectopic, or tubal, pregnancy in October 2001. The drug is not to be used by women with suspected or confirmed ectopic pregnancies, a life-threatening condition in which the fertilized egg has implanted outside the uterus.

 

[Teresh]

yes,

Smoking is leading cause of Lung Cancer.

Point being? I choose not to smoke. If someone else wants to smoke and get lung cancer, it's their business. Just because smoking over a long period of time is dangerous does not mean that those of us whowould not ourselves do it have the right to say that other people can't.

 

[me_punctured]

If you're against abortion, don't get one.

 

[Foxrac]

I don´t think the law for ban abortion is not good idea because it would not solve anything but worst.

Of course, I agree.

 

[Taylor]

Im kind of curious if there is any statistical data available. Have illegal abortions gone up since the law was changed?

Many people claim that banning abortion is bad on the grounds it will be unhealthier for women because they will seek alternative abortions (ie, crooked docs, at home abortions, etc).

I'm wondering if there is any data available on what has changed in the state since outlawing it.


I am sort of comparing it to what happened to the speed limit in maryland. In Maryland, the speed limit used to be at 55. Then they wanted to raise it to 65 but people talked about children being slaughtered on the highway. This was a huge debate years ago. Now the data shows that traffic deaths are down considerably and the higher speed limit does not cause more deaths.

 

[Dark-Half]

Hopefully abortion will be banned in all 50 states....

I'll supply you with a better analogy that has more impact after these 2 paragraph's that enforce Teresh's point better. Keep in mind im not trying to bash you but to shatter your ignorance and hopefully teach you to tolerate of others needs rather than letting your religion dedicate how you think others should live their lives.

Why do you hope that abortion will be banned in all 50 states? I'll answer that question for you because it's rather obvious. It's your religion. To believe in something is one thing, but to impose your religion upon others is a whole 'nother can of worms. Now for the analogy in a way you can relaite to-

You've heard of how the government wants to merge church and state? How would you feel if it happened and you could only practice a religion selected by the government? Of course you'd be outraged. This is America, land of the semi-free. Freedom of choice is what makes part of being an American so great. You can choose to be a satanist, a buddist, taoist, wiccan, catholic, JW -- whatever you want really just like women should be allowed to choose whether they /need/ an abortion.

Imagine you're a woman and you're walking home, some guy jumps out of the alley and rapes you forcibly against your will (redundancy to emphasis point). Would you honest to god want to keep a kid that was a product of abomination and not love? A fatherless child? Can you imagine what some women go through solely because of THIS? Definitely not, we can only speculate to the best of our knowledge unless we have lived the experince ourselves.

I speak specifically for those who had no choice in the matter- IE Rape or victims of abuse. The "crap i was drunk and he didn't wear a condom" I refuse to speak for or even defend. You really need to open your mind more.

The bottom line is they SHOULD have a choice in whether if they want to keep the child or not. It should not be governed by a sovereign law according to one religion. It should be based upon the welfare of humanity and the said person. Ugh, I really don't think I can emphasis the severeity of this, it is beyond my scope of grammar/vocabulary. Again -- keep in mind, I have no ill bearings toward you I just want you to see it from a different prespective that sometimes it's better for a woman to have an abortion...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Im kind of curious if there is any statistical data available. Have illegal abortions gone up since the law was changed?

Many people claim that banning abortion is bad on the grounds it will be unhealthier for women because they will seek alternative abortions (ie, crooked docs, at home abortions, etc).

I'm wondering if there is any data available on what has changed in the state since outlawing it.


I am sort of comparing it to what happened to the speed limit in maryland. In Maryland, the speed limit used to be at 55. Then they wanted to raise it to 65 but people talked about children being slaughtered on the highway. This was a huge debate years ago. Now the data shows that traffic deaths are down considerably and the higher speed limit does not cause more deaths.

AMEN!!!!!

It would end to have more illegal after ban abortions... It also could kill women who seek illegal to abort in wrong way...

I think they should have abortion restriction instead of ban.

I disagree to ban the abortion but support and respect women's choice but I think the law should fix restriction for abortion instead of ban. (I mean if a woman who abort babies dozen of times without use sex protection - if a woman who have unwanted baby then give them up for an adoption).

Dark-Half

 

[Reba]

...Imagine you're a woman and you're walking home, some guy jumps out of the alley and rapes you forcibly against your will (redundancy to emphasis point). Would you honest to god want to keep a kid that was a product of abomination and not love? A fatherless child? Can you imagine what some women go through solely because of THIS? Definitely not, we can only speculate to the best of our knowledge unless we have lived the experince ourselves....

I'm a woman but I haven't had that experience.

Why should an innocent child suffer death because of the criminal actions of the "father"? Do two wrongs make one right? The rape is a horrible experience. Do you think it comforts the woman if she kills her baby?

A woman CAN give the child up for adoption to loving parents. No single woman is forced to "keep" a child of rape.

If the child is adopted by a couple, then the child will not be "fatherless". Besides, if being a "fatherless" child is so awful, what do you say to all the unwed mothers who are raising children without fathers?

Some women who have lived thru the experience have told their stories, and they weren't all tragic endings. They were glad that they didn't abort the children. The surviving children and their adoptive parents were very happy that the mom didn't abort them.

 

[Reba]

Im kind of curious if there is any statistical data available. Have illegal abortions gone up since the law was changed?

Many people claim that banning abortion is bad on the grounds it will be unhealthier for women because they will seek alternative abortions (ie, crooked docs, at home abortions, etc).

I'm wondering if there is any data available on what has changed in the state since outlawing it....

I'm still looking. So far, I found this:

U.S. BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL

Reported Maternal Deaths from YEAR Illegal Abortion in U.S.

1940 1,679
1950 316
1960 289
1966 120 First State Legalized in 1967
1970 128
1972 39 Supreme Court Decision in 1973
1977 21
1981 8

The numbers drop after the 1940s when penicillan use became widespread.

The year before abortion became legal in the US, there were 39 maternal deaths nationwide due to illegal abortions.

For further reading, an interesting article regarding the validity of abortion death statistics:

afterabortion.org

 

[Dark-Half]

I'm a woman but I haven't had that experience.

Why should an innocent child suffer death because of the criminal actions of the "father"? Do two wrongs make one right? The rape is a horrible experience. Do you think it comforts the woman if she kills her baby?

A woman CAN give the child up for adoption to loving parents. No single woman is forced to "keep" a child of rape.

If the child is adopted by a couple, then the child will not be "fatherless". Besides, if being a "fatherless" child is so awful, what do you say to all the unwed mothers who are raising children without fathers?

Some women who have lived thru the experience have told their stories, and they weren't all tragic endings. They were glad that they didn't abort the children. The surviving children and their adoptive parents were very happy that the mom didn't abort them.

You provide the typical points of a pro-life christian. While they're good points they're also simple points addressing a complex issue. Not to mention extremely one-sided.

The problem with your first paragraph is you're applying morals. It isn't about whether it's wrong or right. It's about giving women regain of whatsever control was robbed from their life so they have a choice in the matter. You don't have to like it and are free to call it evil, but trying to coercion your opinion upon them is not correct. Alot of women do regret abortion but sometimes it is necessary for them to have an abortion in-order continue their usual life. I knew a girl who was 15 and had to have an abortion. Had she not she would of never been in college now and it would of prevented her from achieving her full potienal and later on in life being able to provide for a child, the life they would deserve. While it is possible to finish school/college with a child it is no easy task of mind or body and not everybody is capable of such feat.

Riposte to your second paragraph; very much so correct. Isn't it nice to have a choice? What if she couldn't give her child up for adoption because it was illegal? Furthermore not all foster parent children are happy, you realize this right?

Third paragraph; See last sentence in above paragraph. My point is when a child grows up, they are most likely going to want to know who their birth father was. He was a product of rape? Not all endings are happy and not all endings are sad. You cannot generalize everything into a single category.

Last paragraph; Yeah, some people get lucky. Some don't. Some are capable of surviving the tragedy and making the best of it. This doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone though. Actually, would you clarify for me if those people are those who just had "accidents" while screwing around or are victims of rape/abuse. I want some proof along with it because I'm frankly curious.