Reasons behind oralism

[jillio]

I think she is saying her Deaf (capital D) brother and sister inlaw had their children implanted, not that the brother and sister in law themselves are implanted.

Yeah, I realized that I had not phrased correctly after the time to edit my post had lapsed. But the same still applies. The chidlren are still in the unique position of being provided a balance between the two which proves to be very advantageous. Not jsut lingusitically, but the situation allows for full integration of all aspects of existence that self concept and self image are built on.

 

[shel90]

Yeah, I realized that I had not phrased correctly after the time to edit my post had lapsed. But the same still applies. The chidlren are still in the unique position of being provided a balance between the two which proves to be very advantageous. Not jsut lingusitically, but the situation allows for full integration of all aspects of existence that self concept and self image are built on.

Couldnt have said it better! I applaud this parent or any parents that allows their children to be exposed to both SL/spoken language and both worlds.

 

[jillio]

Couldnt have said it better! I applaud this parent or any parents that allows their children to be exposed to both SL/spoken language and both worlds.

That is the ultimate goal for all deaf children, is it not?

 

[shel90]

That is the ultimate goal for all deaf children, is it not?

Why is that so hard to understand? Hearing kids have their world so why not deaf children too?

 

[deafbajagal]

I think because most people do not and will not recognize there is a such thing as a deaf world with its own language, culture, and even quirks. All they see is the hearing world and these deaf children need to find a way to be shaped and molded into it as opposed to finding a way for adaptation.

 

[flip]

I was hoping to hear from more CODAs for their feedback...anymore CODAs out there? Doubletrouble's recent posting was really interesting.

Yes, that one was interesting.

The father of oralism in the states, the oralist number one, was himself a CODA, so tied to deaf people he married one, but also wanting deafness to disappear. I am curious what modern CODAs today have to say about that man, because they perhaps understand that man in a way we don't? Or they don't, as choosing either manualism or oralism have less with the CODA experience to do?

Don't take this as a sign I don't want CODAs in the deaf community, not at all!

 

[Bebonang]

I think because most people do not and will not recognize there is a such thing as a deaf world with its own language, culture, and even quirks. All they see is the hearing world and these deaf children need to find a way to be shaped and molded into it as opposed to finding a way for adaptation.

That is exactly what I thought and you took my word out. I am afraid that is exactly what happen to our deaf children losing all of their ASL, Deaf Culture, and probably Deaf community where they will have a sense of belonging because of seeing how the hearing people live in their world instead of Deaf world. If any deaf children with a CI have any problem with understanding and struggle being in the hearing world. Then it is not going to work for them and it look like the deaf children with a CI are stuck with the hearing world to deal with and most of them will be unhappy and miserable in their lives. That is very sad. I hope I am not being negative on this subject. I just can not believe that hearing people still don't accept us as just being deaf no matter what. No fixing us trying to be hearing people. Pfft.

 

[shel90]

That is exactly what I thought and you took my word out. I am afraid that is exactly what happen to our deaf children losing all of their ASL, Deaf Culture, and probably Deaf community where they will have a sense of belonging because of seeing how the hearing people live in their world instead of Deaf world. If any deaf children with a CI have any problem with understanding and struggle being in the hearing world. Then it is not going to work for them and it look like the deaf children with a CI are stuck with the hearing world to deal with and most of them will be unhappy and miserable in their lives. That is very sad. I hope I am not being negative on this subject. I just can not believe that hearing people still don't accept us as just being deaf no matter what. No fixing us trying to be hearing people. Pfft.

U know what I was just thinking. If I recall correctly, u are in a different generation than I am but we have the exact same views with the same experiences regarding to oralism. It seems like no matter what generation deaf people are born into, we are finding a common ground with our frustrations with the oralism approach. When will history stop repeating itself? :roll:

 

[Bebonang]

Point taken. I understand what you mean. Well, it look like it will be a long way to go until the history will stop repeating. For right now, the war is not over with oralism and we need to get our ASL, Deaf Culture and Deaf community back in track so that we can feel comfortable without struggling and frustrating in the hearing world. And also we need interpreters to meet our needs to understand what the hearing people say at works, doctors, lawyers, and at schools even in sign services in churches. Yep, it going to be a long bumpy ride down the road to get what is our right as a Deaf individuals. We are not giving up that easily. Right?

 

[Buffalo]

Why is that so hard to understand? Hearing kids have their world so why not deaf children too?

I am with you on this. According to "Forbidden Signs" by Douglas C. Baynton that I just finished reading, the oralists think they are saving the deaf child from lifetime of isolation (ain't that irony??) and they want the deaf children to be able to talk/act like hearing so they don't stand out and attract negative attentions.

 

[flip]

I am with you on this. According to "Forbidden Signs" by Douglas C. Baynton that I just finished reading, the oralists think they are saving the deaf child from lifetime of isolation (ain't that irony??) and they want the deaf children to be able to talk/act like hearing so they don't stand out and attract negative attentions.

That's a great book! It should be required reading for all new parents of deaf children.