Rat tales abound in NYC after Superstorm Sandy

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NEW YORK (AP) — At the height of Superstorm Sandy, city residents watching seawater pour into the subway system couldn't help but wonder: What will become of all the rats?

Four months later, that's still a mystery.

And experts aren't so sure about stories of hordes of displaced rodents fleeing the flood zone and taking up residence in buildings that were previously rat-free.

TV stations and newspapers have been rife with reports about rats infesting parked cars and fleeing the East River waterfront for the brownstones of Brooklyn Heights and exterminators enjoying a boom in business.

For some city officials, the last straw came a week ago when a rodent problem forced a two-day closure of Magnolia Bakery, a Manhattan landmark often credited with starting a national cupcake craze. Within days, a city councilwoman floated a proposal to create a $500,000 emergency rat mitigation program for storm-impacted neighborhoods.

But the city's health department, which collects reams of data about the rat population and maps infestations looking for trends, said rodent complaints actually had declined since the late October storm, which was spawned when Hurricane Sandy merged with two other weather systems.

"The Health Department conducted
extensive inspections in flood zones after Hurricane Sandy, provided guidance to home owners and baited the area. But we did not see an increase in the rat population," the agency said in a statement. "Large storms can flush out rats, but they also drown many rats, and the net effect of large storms is often a decrease in the rat population."

The number of rodent-related citations issued by health inspectors has dropped as well.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which runs the city's subway system, the nation's largest, also dismissed tales of rats being stirred up by Sandy.

"We noticed no unusual rat activity or rodent activity in the wake of the storm," agency spokesman Charles Seaton said.

He also said that when water was pumped out of flooded tunnels and stations, there weren't large numbers of rat carcasses left behind.

The idea of a mass rat migration drew ridicule from Richard Reynolds, who leads a group of dog owners who conduct urban rat hunts.

"What happened to the rats? Nothing! We're finding rats right where we've always found them," he said. "I think this whole idea that there has been some kind of major relocation of rats is just good news media fodder."

He noted, as did other experts, that Norwegian rats, the species found in New York, are known for being especially strong swimmers.

"I have seen them dive over 70 feet, swim 500 yards, give me the finger and head for the hills," he said. "Hurricane Sandy is not going to affect these critters."

Hard scientific data, though, is still largely lacking, and there is plenty of room for debate.

Retired pest control expert Dale Kaukeinen, who spent 30 years in the extermination business, said his first instinct was that Sandy probably decimated the rodent population in some neighborhoods. But he said he couldn't rule out the possibility that displaced rats had moved into new territory.

"They are adaptable. They can swim. They can move distances," he said, citing radio telemetry studies showing that rats can move several miles if displaced by environmental conditions.


Also, because rats live in a world of smell, their former homes might have been rendered unfamiliar by a flood, he said, even if the buildings, parks or tunnels they had been living in suffered little permanent damage.

"To a rat, it wouldn't look the same, it wouldn't smell the same," he said.

Jessica Lappin, the councilwoman who proposed the emergency extermination program for flood-damaged neighborhoods, said she was skeptical when she first started hearing stories about rat infestations since the storm but has come to believe the problem is real.

"We are used to seeing rats. But it definitely seemed to be getting worse," Lappin said.

She noted that even though the health department's citywide rat complaint numbers show no increase, there has been a rise in select Manhattan neighborhoods near where flooding occurred.

Those neighborhoods include the West Village, where mice first turned up in a basement storage area at Magnolia Bakery in the weeks after the storm, company spokeswoman Sara Gramling said Thursday. The bakery was cited by city health inspectors in January, then was closed down Feb. 14 after a follow-up inspection. It reopened two days later, with lines even longer than usual.

Gramling said she was sure the storm was a factor in the infestation, although she noted that there is also a large construction project taking place down the block.

"At the building, and in the West Village, there has been an influx across the board," she said. "We don't feel like it's an isolated incident. Clearly there is a trend."

Thomas King, a manager at M&M Pest Control, an extermination business based in Chinatown, said his company's rat calls are up 20 percent to 30 percent since the storm.

Recent media coverage of the supposed rat scamper caused by Sandy has focused on Brooklyn Heights, a historic district perched on a hill above the East River. But the neighborhood's rat problem is hardly new. Nearly every year has brought a new newspaper story about rats in the neighborhood, usually linked to trash left by visitors to the Brooklyn Promenade, the neighborhood's elevated esplanade.

The Brooklyn Heights Association, a civic group, did get some reports after the storm about new rat burrows being dug in gardens along the Promenade, but city park officials took quick action, and there have not been any complaints since.

So the mystery remains.

At least one notable rat population perished for sure: 7,000 lab rats and mice at a New York University research facility died when the building flooded during the storm.

Rat tales abound in NYC after Superstorm Sandy - Yahoo! Weather
 
Same here, ZERO rat and mouse at my home. :D
 
I don't believe you guys... unless you live in an igloo in the arctics, impossible!

"Alberta is the only province with rat-free status and we take this very seriously. We have lived without the menace of rats since 1950 when our control program began,” said Verlyn Olson, Minister of Alberta Agriculture and Rural Development, in an August statement.
Poulin's Pest Control also asserted that Alberta remained rat-free in January, after one rat was found in Calgary.
The company boasts that Alberta’s “rat-free” status still stands strong with its aggressive rat control program keeping "the vermin outside of the borders."
The pest control company says one pair of reproducing rats can lead to a colony of 15,000 within a year.
So for now, Alberta remains vigilant and free of rats.
 
I don't believe you guys... unless you live in an igloo in the arctics, impossible!

:lol: We have a saying in the south. "If you don't have a rat problem, you have a snake problem. If you do have a rat problem, you are about to have a snake problem."
 
There were wharf or river rats along the St. Johns River and the parking lot where I worked...we were warned to always close our car windows and never to leave any food in our cars.....I got the shock of my life one night after getting off work to find I had left one of my windows partly open and soon as I opened the door...a rat jumped out and scared the bejeees out of me! It was huge!

Rats and mice multiply at a fast rate.....and are everywhere.
 
I would have had a heart attack! I have never seen a rat in person and hope I never do!

We had a few mice in our garage many years ago, yup we have those around, but rats, nope. :)
 
"Alberta is the only province with rat-free status and we take this very seriously. We have lived without the menace of rats since 1950 when our control program began,” said Verlyn Olson, Minister of Alberta Agriculture and Rural Development, in an August statement.
Poulin's Pest Control also asserted that Alberta remained rat-free in January, after one rat was found in Calgary.
The company boasts that Alberta’s “rat-free” status still stands strong with its aggressive rat control program keeping "the vermin outside of the borders."
The pest control company says one pair of reproducing rats can lead to a colony of 15,000 within a year.
So for now, Alberta remains vigilant and free of rats.

Impressive, never knew about Alberta's zero-rat policy.
Does that also mean folks can't have them as pets over there?
 
Impressive, never knew about Alberta's zero-rat policy.
Does that also mean folks can't have them as pets over there?

Yes, rats are not allowed as pets. Only zoos, universities and research facilities are allowed to house rats.
 
Yes, rats are not allowed as pets. Only zoos, universities and research facilities are allowed to house rats.

Doh, they make some great, fun pets, though! I once saw a guy with a tamed rat on his shoulder in Berkeley. It was no ordinary rat, like an extra pair of eyes for him. But that's intriguing about Alberta. I am sure the province is proud the feat, it is no ordinary task.

I couldn't have the heart to kill one. Not too many years ago, I caught one in my hands - well, with help from the cat. I could not bring myself to end the little guy's life. He looked too innocent. So I carried him around a klick down the road and let him go, I'm sure that neighbor would not be too happy about it if they figured out I did that.
 
My cat has been catching rats in the neighborhood and dropping them off near my front porch (dead, of course). Doesn't make me happy but at least my cat keeps the mice out of my house.
 
I don't think rats would be able to survive outside in Alberta. They cannot survive outside in NY, can they?
 
Doh, they make some great, fun pets, though! I once saw a guy with a tamed rat on his shoulder in Berkeley. It was no ordinary rat, like an extra pair of eyes for him. But that's intriguing about Alberta. I am sure the province is proud the feat, it is no ordinary task.

I couldn't have the heart to kill one. Not too many years ago, I caught one in my hands - well, with help from the cat. I could not bring myself to end the little guy's life. He looked too innocent. So I carried him around a klick down the road and let him go, I'm sure that neighbor would not be too happy about it if they figured out I did that.

I don't think carrying rats down to the neighbour is the way to turn neighbours into friends haha.
 
I don't think rats would be able to survive outside in Alberta. They cannot survive outside in NY, can they?

Rats don't do well in real cold or real hot weather but they can easily find places to live in these less desirable climates - homes, sheds, barns, grain elevators - anywhere they can be insulated.
 
Jeez, at least, in here, there are not as many as NYC has...

Still... :Ohno:
 
Seems they live and multiply (Rats) in sewers and close to rivers.....Nasty!...Nasty!...and carry diseases....and remembering the movie "Rats"...(long time ago)....
 
:lol: We have a saying in the south. "If you don't have a rat problem, you have a snake problem. If you do have a rat problem, you are about to have a snake problem."

And this is why we have three ferrets that freely roam our home.

:lol:
 
I couldn't have the heart to kill one. Not too many years ago, I caught one in my hands - well, with help from the cat. I could not bring myself to end the little guy's life. He looked too innocent. So I carried him around a klick down the road and let him go, I'm sure that neighbor would not be too happy about it if they figured out I did that.

You and me are the same. We've been having an opossum/skunk problem here at our home. They've been getting under our mobile home. We have the hardibacker skirting but they still get in somewhere! I can't figure it out. I have caught four opossums in the last four days. No skunks yet but I know they're around. We smell them. No way could I kill one. I'm no hunter. I buy my food from the meat market. So I have been driving them 30 miles over to Elgin and releasing them into this guy's yard that I don't like much.

:lol:

Don't worry. His yard is like 8 acres.








Allright. FINE. I'm an a-hole.
 
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