Questions for Taylor

Thank you Taylor,

You explained so clear and well said.. I understand.. but some of it, still baffled me.. One thing, Sheriff was VERY kind and restless like he dont know what to do to make right decisions.. CUFF me and toss me in squad front of kids.. but I think he made very generous right decisions.. also, its like to show that I am NOT bad mommy..

Whats more like i said in your PM, I am glad that I post this story.. its challenge you and us to understand what's law or policy.. good enough to have lawsuit or not enough for lawsuit.. and help you understand us more so you can pass on to law enforcement people! :)

One thing.. you people.. to understand that I am not going for lawsuit but its the people pressured me to have lawsuit.. its been 2 years already.. Also, Alot of deafies have their characters, attitudes, aggresative toward to law enforcements cuz of lack of communications, they get real frustrations.. but I am more patient and kind of passive but.. they will communicate you better if you are like that.. if you are aggresative or attitudes.. they will might get wrong idea and restraint you or cuff you.. whatever..
I hope you guys get the point? :)
 
I've been searching for an 'official' link that contains information in regards if she was legally stopped (pretty difficult to find what I was looking for ;)

Here is Something that explains it While not official for all agencies, it gives a synopsis of what you would find in most agencies:

Why do deputies stop people?
There are a number of different reasons why you might be stopped by either a deputy or another law enforcement officer. These reasons might include:

You may have violated a traffic regulation
Your vehicle may have a safety violation
The deputy may think you are in trouble and need help
You may fit the description of a wanted suspect
You may have been the witness of a crime
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That kind of sums it up.

knightwolf68, sorry to hear about your experience. What you describe is an unfortunate circumstance.
First, most officers will rarely encounter deaf subjects. I know there are larger deaf communities in some areas. For example, it is pretty rare for someone in our department to come in contact with the deaf. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but doesn't happen on a daily basis. Unfortunately, most people that have committed a crime will continue to walk away from an officer when he tells them to stop...and keep their back turned to the officer.

What they saw with you is probably something they have seen numerous times with a bad guy...they tell him to stop and he keeps walking until he reaches a corner and then bolts like a bat out of hell. It probably never occured to these officers that the issue was you were deaf and you weren't ignoring them. I do wish, however, they wouldn't have tackled you (unless you appeared to be running from them). In our department, we don't just tackle people...especially if they are just walking away.

You did the right think IMO by filing the complaint. While the department may not have found the complaint valid (or at least the officers at fault), it would have opened some eyes in regards to their policy. Make sense? While it sucks that you were tackled, it would be a nice thought to think that incident may prevent that from happening in the future.
 
Taylor said:
Sabrina,
I don't think she would be successful in a lawsuit, however I'll research it and see what precedent I can find as far as court cases go.



She wasn't carted off to jail by mistake. She had (and admits) she was a wanted person. Even for theft of a check that happened 7 years ago, there was still a warrant for her arrest.
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Sorry, i didnt explain that part..
After 2 weeks waiting for court, I found out that theft check was 7 years ago.. I was shocked.. and I had to gather more info.. but I told Judge "I cant say this Not guility or guility because I dont know what the check made out from" the judge said OK.. come back next week with your decisions.. and made copy of info the checks.. I checked that the check I signed.. even I dont remember that I wrote it.. its only 97 dollars.. I checked the bank to find out the account closed on which date and stuff.. AHH.. the investiagtor who investigate my case made mistake.. he wrote the account closed 1999.. but bank showed that the account closed 1989.. so it labeled me theft check cuz it looks like i wrote check after it closed.. so went back to court and explained the problem to judge.. he re-read the case and asked me if I willing to pay 97 right away and get my bail back.. and no court fee cost.. thats all.. thats other thing those people wanted me to make lawsuit for that little mistake investigator made..
(snickers-- thats silly thing).. does it?
 
Taylor said:
I've been searching for an 'official' link that contains information in regards if she was legally stopped (pretty difficult to find what I was looking for ;)

Here is Something that explains it While not official for all agencies, it gives a synopsis of what you would find in most agencies:



That kind of sums it up.

knightwolf68, sorry to hear about your experience. What you describe is an unfortunate circumstance.
First, most officers will rarely encounter deaf subjects. I know there are larger deaf communities in some areas. For example, it is pretty rare for someone in our department to come in contact with the deaf. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but doesn't happen on a daily basis. Unfortunately, most people that have committed a crime will continue to walk away from an officer when he tells them to stop...and keep their back turned to the officer.

What they saw with you is probably something they have seen numerous times with a bad guy...they tell him to stop and he keeps walking until he reaches a corner and then bolts like a bat out of hell. It probably never occured to these officers that the issue was you were deaf and you weren't ignoring them. I do wish, however, they wouldn't have tackled you (unless you appeared to be running from them). In our department, we don't just tackle people...especially if they are just walking away.

You did the right think IMO by filing the complaint. While the department may not have found the complaint valid (or at least the officers at fault), it would have opened some eyes in regards to their policy. Make sense? While it sucks that you were tackled, it would be a nice thought to think that incident may prevent that from happening in the future.
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actually i was in the middle sidewalk between the apartment that when it was tackle .. it sure not make any senses huh ?
 
Sabrina said:
Absolutely, I would go to see State Disability Law Center to find an attorney to lawsuit that police station. They know about session 504 ADA law. There is no excuse for ignore your request an interpreter to communication with them.

They put you in jail for several hours without information or details about your criminal. I would be piss off and feel bad for those children become extremely upset and worry about their mother goes to the jail by mistake.

That is DISGUSTED because police did not response your question what kind criminal was ?? Their communication barrier is SUCKS !! They IGNORED for your right to getting an interpreter.

LAWSUIT THEM !!
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You are not only one said that.. I would say you are one of 40 said that to me.. Umm..

Yes, I was in jail for long night without information why i have warrant and where it from, someone forged my check? yes I was pissing off in remain calm so they can see me and let me go in good name.. also, Yes I was really devesated about our kids therefore.. I am thankful that they are in good hands.. my man, my mom and my brother.. to pinch in and help Also, my brother's real dad that I never met, he was there at my brother's place and comforted the kids.. but, think about --if my man isnt with us.. it will be horrible--- polices had to haul whole kids to speical place to have one of parents or my mom pick up and impound my van.. had to pay expenses & fines.. Thankful that my man was there.. (Taylor-- am i right?)

Yes, I thought i went jail by mistake because of lack of info.. but after court dates, I found out that it was really my mistake and investigator's tiny mistake..
 
Pomeranian said:
Yea I know how you feel MsGiglz. I am glad u have taken care of that Warrant and move on with your life.
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Thank you.. ALSO, I know how you feel.. too.. **Huggs**.. I am glad that you moved on too..
 
Cheri said:
I understand about random tags but, I thought they have to pull you over for something you did first like breaking traffic laws before checking the random tags? And beside the Police did not tell her why he pulled her over at the begin, All he said to her was He never gave her a reason for pulling her over, Which is wrong upon the police doing.
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That what I thought.. but Taylor made good point tho..
 
knightwolf68 said:
ok little off the topics .... once i recall that day i was pull over by the cops for some reasons ... and i pull my wallet out and i have shown the cop the card say " J88" I am sure that ur familiar with that code .. and I have notice that cop was laugh about that ... it make me think that they think it is jokes or something ... must be somewhat joke words round the "cop community" would u like to share with us about this jokes it make me so curious otherwise i do appericate that these cop who i talk with was very copperation with me by write and pad to commuicate as well as i know that we can't get interipter that quick as it should be for that simple reasons .. but i just curious about these reaction from " cop community" about J88
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Sorry Hun, I didnt mean to laugh.. J88 sound like Jack a$$..
are we :fingersx: friends? jk hehe
 
DreamDeaf said:
I dont even know how effective this is, I dont have it on my drivers license...I just keep a interpreting agency card with my drivers license and I request an interpreter whenever soemthing like this happens.

As for you Anniegiglz, I hope everything has worked out for the best for you...this is one experinece that no one should have to go through, especially a mother with five babies...no way. Or is it six now?
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That time I had 5 ... now i have 6.. and tubes snipped ! :D Everything worked out good.. but I just point out to deafies or people to understand why there's no MIRA or why didnt i make lawsuit cuz lack of my needs..
all positive i got... why should i make lawsuit.. if i get negatives or bad timing, I might consider..
 
Off-topic from this thread to Taylor cuz he is cop.

Radar Detector, http://www.valentine1.com/

I am living at CA, and I always use Radar Detector while I am driving. So, whenever you pulls some car from road for breaking the road law. When you see a person driving with radar detector and what would you do? My answer= do nothing, because it is legal (expect at VA and DC.) I kept hearing a story that the cop tends to take their radar detector in those states that legalize the radar detector. It seems conflict with my answer and I am very curious with your answer.
 
Taylor said:
Perhaps one of the terps here can chime in with their thoughts. My belief is (and again, I wasn't there) that once she had pencil/paper there was effective communication.
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In this case, perhaps there was effective communication. I don't have all the details, so I can't really say.

In general, it is a hearing misconception that paper and pencil note exchanges are always "effective" communication. Exchanging notes are OK for ordering at a restaurant, or casual chatting. They are usually not "effective" for legal communications, making contracts, parent/teacher conferences, pre-surgery consultations, and other life-impacting events.

Why? Because some Deaf are not fluent in written English. Just because someone can jot down words on a piece of paper, that doesn't mean both parties are fully understanding each other. This is especially true when the hearing party is using professional jargon or technical terminology. The potential for misunderstanding is huge.

Just as an example, think about some of the postings here at AD. How many times have misunderstandings occurred? At AD, posters have time to prepare their thoughts, edit their posts, and type slowly. They are not under pressure, they are sitting comfortably at a well-lit computer keyboard, and feel free to ask for clarifications. And yet, miscommunication happens. Now imagine what can happen during a stressful situation, communicating with an authority figure, who possibly holds your fate in his hands.

If the Deaf person is comfortable with note-writing, and is assertive enough to question the hearing person, and it is agreeable to both parties, then exchanging notes can be effective. If the Deaf person feels that the communication is not effective, then a terp should be used.

IMO

I would like to read Interperator's opinion also.
 
wow what an experience u have msgiglz i do think cops should get u an interpreter

usually if i have a plm with cops or rather if they have a plm with me... i ALWAYS ask for interpreter... and if they refuse... unfortunely i usually raise hell (half of time its bad idea to but.. i wanted to make sure our communications are clear and anything that is serious... i wont use notepad... i want interpreter to prevent any type of misunderstanding and anything that could go wrong) instead of lawsuit... perhaps u can do something about that... make sure they will call interpreter for NEXT time.. do something like teaching them ADA or wahtever... i do not know... so next time they meet a deaf person they wont make a mistake? and there would be less confusion for you if it happens again for different reason?
 
in Montgomery County MD i know a few officers who are familiar with ASL -- they have taken it upon themselves to take some ASL classes at the local community college and there is someone with the MCPD who is a victim's assistant that is fluent with ASL in the event a deaf person is victimized, this woman would have been called out to assist -- i think for the MCPD they should have 2-3 officers in each district be familiar with ASL in the event anything happens IMHO

i think every department across the nation should be versed with the Deaf culture and the language even if its rare that they may come across a deaf person

may i ask which dept u work for Taylor q is ur department doing anything to have Deaf culture awareness type of program in the training of new officers or for veteran officers q
 
Fly Free said:
in Montgomery County MD i know a few officers who are familiar with ASL -- they have taken it upon themselves to take some ASL classes at the local community college and there is someone with the MCPD who is a victim's assistant that is fluent with ASL in the event a deaf person is victimized, this woman would have been called out to assist -- i think for the MCPD they should have 2-3 officers in each district be familiar with ASL in the event anything happens IMHO

i think every department across the nation should be versed with the Deaf culture and the language even if its rare that they may come across a deaf person

may i ask which dept u work for Taylor q is ur department doing anything to have Deaf culture awareness type of program in the training of new officers or for veteran officers q
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This is the category that I fall into and why I'm studying ASL. Our department doesn't do a lot as far as deaf awareness goes, but officers are taught their responsibilities (and provided a list of interpreters who are on call). Just as an example, it is rare that we'll run into somebody who speaks only Italian. Officers are not versed in Italian but have a list of those that can interpret. I love my job here and would do this 24/7 if I could...Its one of the reasons why I'm studying it as I would have no problem getting a call at 3am to come an assist.
 
Crazymanw00t said:
Off-topic from this thread to Taylor cuz he is cop.

Radar Detector, http://www.valentine1.com/

I am living at CA, and I always use Radar Detector while I am driving. So, whenever you pulls some car from road for breaking the road law. When you see a person driving with radar detector and what would you do? My answer= do nothing, because it is legal (expect at VA and DC.) I kept hearing a story that the cop tends to take their radar detector in those states that legalize the radar detector. It seems conflict with my answer and I am very curious with your answer.
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If its legal in your state then there should be no problem with it. He/she would have to be pulling you over for something else. IMO, Radar detectors are a waste of money. They do help if the officer is already shooting radar at a moving car. We use mostly laser in our department. I don't shoot traffic but have shot traffic with other officers. In most cases, they are a)hitting you before you can see them and b) not constantly shooting a beam. The officer hits the laser while he has you in sight at a distance. By the time your detector goes off, he's already got you ;) Same goes for radar. I know on TV, they show an officer with the gun up on the dash with it constanty running. This isn't always *real life* and by the time your detector is going off, you're already done.
 
Taylor said:
If its legal in your state then there should be no problem with it. He/she would have to be pulling you over for something else. IMO, Radar detectors are a waste of money. They do help if the officer is already shooting radar at a moving car. We use mostly laser in our department. I don't shoot traffic but have shot traffic with other officers. In most cases, they are a)hitting you before you can see them and b) not constantly shooting a beam. The officer hits the laser while he has you in sight at a distance. By the time your detector goes off, he's already got you ;) Same goes for radar. I know on TV, they show an officer with the gun up on the dash with it constanty running. This isn't always *real life* and by the time your detector is going off, you're already done.
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Yeah, you are right with Laser. I can't do anything to aviod from Laser. But with Radar like KA, and K. I can aviod it because mostly of officers tend to turn on for few mins then my radar will go off and give me time to reduce my speed. It happenned to me many time during my road trip.

I know at the highway many people tends to go over limit with speed. Well, I have to go with flow and the officers can still pull me over just because we all were going over the limit with speed. So, I had radar detector to warn me. Also if the cop pulls me over and I would know what he had used with Ka, K, X, or Laser.

I don't think Radar Detector is waste $. I calll it as wise investment. Why? If you had radar detector and if you tends to speed and radar detector will save your butt for many time. But you can still get ticket if you made little mistake (not pay attention on the road, ingore the obvious sign of warning, or officers got lucky). If you had radar detector it makes yourself to get tickets at low chance compared without radar detector. My quote for radar detector user, "Do not depend or abuse to use with your radar detector while you are on the road."
 
Crazymanw00t said:
Yeah, you are right with Laser. I can't do anything to aviod from Laser. But with Radar like KA, and K. I can aviod it because mostly of officers tend to turn on for few mins then my radar will go off and give me time to reduce my speed. It happenned to me many time during my road trip.

I know at the highway many people tends to go over limit with speed. Well, I have to go with flow and the officers can still pull me over just because we all were going over the limit with speed. So, I had radar detector to warn me. Also if the cop pulls me over and I would know what he had used with Ka, K, X, or Laser.

I don't think Radar Detector is waste $. I calll it as wise investment. Why? If you had radar detector and if you tends to speed and radar detector will save your butt for many time. But you can still get ticket if you made little mistake (not pay attention on the road, ingore the obvious sign of warning, or officers got lucky). If you had radar detector it makes yourself to get tickets at low chance compared without radar detector. My quote for radar detector user, "Do not depend or abuse to use with your radar detector while you are on the road."
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That would be called "cheating". Detector is just a playing game between drivers and law enforcement officials. I think they are useless, just because you have it to save yourself from getting a ticket but you also putting other drivers at risk of your speeding. :)
 
Cheri said:
That would be called "cheating". Detector is just a playing game between drivers and law enforcement officials. I think they are useless, just because you have it to save yourself from getting a ticket but you also putting other drivers at risk of your speeding. :)
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very very well done say !!!
 
radar detectors are useless IMHO -- i just keep an eye out for the cops :lol: there are ways to know when theres a cop up ahead trying to nab speeders -- just gotta pay attention to the hints ;)
 
just dont speed... thats best way not to get pulled over :-D i used to have radar detectors... they dont always warn me... my friend was driving and she sped about 10 mph above the limit i think... then out of blue we got pulled over and the radar decector did not warn us at all... and to make it worse... it was a sheriff who pulled us over. (in wisc sheriff are the worst cops u could deal with... they have no mercy at all plus they can decide any prices on tickets and they will not be nice to you no matter how nice you were) so yea radar detectors are useless and best way is not to speed period :-D
 
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