Premature baby not allowed to live under G.B. nationalized health care plan

[deafskeptic]

It should be in current section (politic & war) or on-topic debate section.

Yeah. But for some reason, it hasn't been moved yet.

 

[Foxrac]

Hello everybody, I got IM from KarissaMann05 and she is unable to post so sooner because her Sidekick is in trouble and sorry for not post on time.

 

[faire_jour]

Okay. Sorry, I disagree.

On the another subject -

I think doctors should save premature babies, whenever it seems hopeless or not. I'm not surprise that people with no hope are so easy to give up on premature babies... Her baby breath for less than two hours, like what I read an another similar story. But the story told little girl survived with the help. I wonder, what is wrong with this picture? Sure, I could give you a link but I knew it is easy for you to dismiss it, anyway. :|

I had a child who was in the NICU, with a 90% chance of death, so please do not lecture me about not caring about sick babies.

How often do you go and volunteer at the hospital? Do you walk for the March of Dimes? What are you doing except calling people names?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Okay. Sorry, I disagree.

On the another subject -

I think doctors should save premature babies, whenever it seems hopeless or not. I'm not surprise that people with no hope are so easy to give up on premature babies... Her baby breath for less than two hours, like what I read an another similar story. But the story told little girl survived with the help. I wonder, what is wrong with this picture? Sure, I could give you a link but I knew it is easy for you to dismiss it, anyway. :|

And, we disagree with you. You really need to do some fact checking before you start spouting how you feel. Not alot of what you say is based on fact at all. Until you have delivered a very sick infant, you really have no idea what you would do. None of us do until we're placed in that situation.

 

[jillio]

Well said, OB. And you, too, FJ.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I had a child who was in the NICU, with a 90% chance of death, so please do not lecture me about not caring about sick babies.

How often do you go and volunteer at the hospital? Do you walk for the March of Dimes? What are you doing except calling people names?

I understand what you're saying . Please don't let her upset you. She only thinks she knows what she'll do.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Thanks Foxrac for informed.

Faire_jour - If you are mad at me, I'm sorry.. As for your questions - 1) Yes, a several times. But I prefer donations better. 2) No. 3) I'm not sure what do you mean?

CJB - No, I don't make doctors look like villains. I personally disappointed they didn't want to help. I'm sorry to say... at another forums, someone confused/mispoke posters and me with two links and someone's story (about Jayden, Miracle Baby, and his/her story). So, never mind what I said about someone's little girl and his/her child was only around 23 weeks or so. Sorry about that...

OB - Yeah, I should word myself better.

Jillio said it is not a whole truth that made me I thought you referred to only (conservatives/Republicians/etc) were lairs or they have not valid reasons, cos I read comments in those links. Now, it seems there are a lot of (non-political) comments on either links or forums... I also visited a several of forums, there was same link like AD had it. And, I felt so annoying when people frowned on them like always. But you are right. I shouldn't bring it up cos I didn't realize until someone, who was at another forum, pointed out it is not political subjects as they and I claimed.

I feel you are probably going to yell angrily at me again since you guys seems so angry. [Size=1pt]Really pissed off.[/size]

Sorry...

 

[Lissa]

The baby didnt have a very good chance, but they could have at least made the baby comfortable The mother probably knew her chances was quite low. The baby was doing great to breathe without support for as long as it did!!

 

[jillio]

The baby didnt have a very good chance, but they could have at least made the baby comfortable The mother probably knew her chances was quite low. The baby was doing great to breathe without support for as long as it did!!

Simply not providing heroic measures does not in any way mean that this infant was not comfortable.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

The baby didnt have a very good chance, but they could have at least made the baby comfortable The mother probably knew her chances was quite low. The baby was doing great to breathe without support for as long as it did!!

Simply not providing heroic measures does not in any way mean that this infant was not comfortable.

Usually, when an infant can't be saved they are given care and comfort while nature takes it's course. They will never just leave an infant to die without providing comfort to it. They always handle the impending death of the infant in a dignified manner so as to maintain sensitivity to the parents .

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Thanks Foxrac for informed.

Faire_jour - If you are mad at me, I'm sorry.. As for your questions - 1) Yes, a several times. But I prefer donations better. 2) No. 3) I'm not sure what do you mean?

CJB - No, I don't make doctors look like villains. I personally disappointed they didn't want to help. I'm sorry to say... at another forums, someone confused/mispoke posters and me with two links and someone's story (about Jayden, Miracle Baby, and his/her story). So, never mind what I said about someone's little girl and his/her child was only around 23 weeks or so. Sorry about that...

OB - Yeah, I should word myself better.
Jillio said it is not a whole truth that made me I thought you referred to only (conservatives/Republicians/etc) were lairs or they have not valid reasons, cos I read comments in those links. Now, it seems there are a lot of (non-political) comments on either links or forums... I also visited a several of forums, there was same link like AD had it. And, I felt so annoying when people frowned on them like always. But you are right. I shouldn't bring it up cos I didn't realize until someone, who was at another forum, pointed out it is not political subjects as they and I claimed.

I feel you are probably going to yell angrily at me again since you guys seems so angry. [Size=1pt]Really pissed off.[/size]

Sorry...

No, Karissa. You should research this alittle better before you post.

 

[dreama]

So you don't know the whole story. There was probably a reason why they made the decision they made.

Yes, the reason they didn't do it was that they just didn't care about the baby. They were just following their regulations meant more to them then saving a life. I've read this story too, and believe me, that baby should have been saved. The fact the baby wasn't saved was totally unethnical.

I also posted this story only mine also has a petition added to change the law so such premmie babies get saved in future.

It's wrong not to save a life whatever the cercumstances are.

 

[sallylou]

Maybe the idea was to leave the baby with the mother to allow her some time before the baby died? A baby born that early doesn't have enough lung development to survive.

I don't think that doctors are refusing medical care to viable infants. If so, I wouldn't be here. There are more neonatologists now and more technology to care for preemies now. There are some cases where nothing can be done, unfortunately.

I made sure that I delivered in a level 3 nursery. That's the best care. I recommend that moms check out the nursery before giving birth there. If it's a level 2 nursery, an infant with a problem may have to be transported to a level 3 facility. I don't know about people who don't live in urban areas, though, because they may not have a level 3 nursery in their area.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Yes, the reason they didn't do it was that they just didn't care about the baby. They were just following their regulations meant more to them then saving a life. I've read this story too, and believe me, that baby should have been saved. The fact the baby wasn't saved was totally unethnical.

I also posted this story only mine also has a petition added to change the law so such premmie babies get saved in future.

It's wrong not to save a life whatever the cercumstances are.

That's a moral decision that you alone can't make. Each person has a right to decide what is best for them and their infant. Your moral stand has no bearing in someone else' life.

 

[dreama]

What does this have to do with conservatives vs. liberals?

I understand this mother wanted her baby alive. But instead of making the doctors look like villains, why not go to a grieving support group or something?

Because the baby didn't die Naturally.
She died due to NHS.
I can understand exactly how that woman felt after my mom was treated while she was dying of cancer. She could have been saved but she wasn't. Same as this baby could have been saved but she wasnt.

 

[CJB]

CJB - No, I don't make doctors look like villains. I personally disappointed they didn't want to help. I'm sorry to say... at another forums, someone confused/mispoke posters and me with two links and someone's story (about Jayden, Miracle Baby, and his/her story). So, never mind what I said about someone's little girl and his/her child was only around 23 weeks or so. Sorry about that...

Just for clarification, I was saying the mother in the article reacted by making doctors look like villains rather than a healthier alternative like going to a grieving support group. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[dreama]

I feel very sad about all this indifferance about this mother and her live baby who could have been saved, but wasn't.

I'm glad that when I was born premature that nobody decided I wasn't worth saving. I'm just lucky to be alive I guess.

 

[CJB]

Yes, the reason they didn't do it was that they just didn't care about the baby. They were just following their regulations meant more to them then saving a life. I've read this story too, and believe me, that baby should have been saved. The fact the baby wasn't saved was totally unethnical.

I also posted this story only mine also has a petition added to change the law so such premmie babies get saved in future.

It's wrong not to save a life whatever the cercumstances are.

My whole point is there is probably more to it than that. Seeing as this woman had 5 miscarriages and they were expecting the baby to die within hours, there's probably a reason they refused treatment. For example if the baby was in so much pain and suffering so much.

I know you read the article. We both read it and came to different conclusions, which is perfectly fine.

 

[CJB]

I feel very sad about all this indifferance about this mother and her live baby who could have been saved, but wasn't.

I'm glad that when I was born premature that nobody decided I wasn't worth saving. I'm just lucky to be alive I guess.

I feel terrible for the mother. It must be awful to have your baby die. I just don't think having an article written about it and politicizing the issue is the best reaction. I think we tend to over-politicize too many issues, whether it's abortion or sexual orientation or religious belief. This is just another example of that trend.

 

[dreama]

I feel terrible for the mother. It must be awful to have your baby die. I just don't think having an article written about it and politicizing the issue is the best reaction. I think we tend to over-politicize too many issues, whether it's abortion or sexual orientation or religious belief. This is just another example of that trend.

Even so, this woman had a baby that could have been saved. Maybe Kokunot wants to use this as an example of our NHS service which isn't very good. Believe me.

But it doesn't Everyone responds by saying that not saving babies is perfectly acceptable and our crappy NHS is perfect etc etc...

In any civilized country Doctors should have a duty to save babies. It shouldn't MATTER how old they are. It should only matter wether they are alive or not.