post office cuts saturday

Jiro said:
I would be very cautious about what your union leader promises you. Another plant may not be able to take ya'all in because it's already filled.

don't forget - your job loss means nothing to your union leader as long as he still has a job.
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You still don't know wtf you are talking about.

It was management who told us about transfers, not the union leader.
 
Lau2046 said:
When I got hired again in 2004 with an M.Ed., I was offered only $30K a year. In five years, I never got a raise. I also had a boss that gave lousy referrals to keep us under him and doing his job. I caught on and eliminated the "may we contact your employer" option from the resume - a risk. Not long after I did, I got hired by a law enforcement agency that literally saved my life and they were the best years of my federal service. I hate that I had to leave them but if you weren't in the military or a cop, there was no advancement. I also have dyscalculia (math learning disability) so I had few options: I couldn't be a cop, an accountant, a Vet, a Vet tech, a nurse, a doctor, in business....I'm more limited by my LD than I am my deafness. There's a high turn over of federal jobs for just the reasons you mention. However, it's the only true stable job out there, especially in this economy and few if any in the private sector can match our benefits.

The only thing I know about the federal cuts for the post office is that the little guys that do the most work are getting screwed.

Laura
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I have Dyscalculia, and Dyslexia and did not know it until I about 15 yo. I could type 60 words a minutes in high school but I spelled all the words wrong. And I took accounting in high school and could not balance my book. I could add numbers in my head but writing them down was another thing. I have to use spell check all the time.
 
Foxrac said:
Compare USA and USSR are absolutely nothing because USSR had authoritarian government with planned economy and USA has democratically elected government with free market economy.

Why aren't you point at Europe and they have more labor unions than in US?
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Um. look at Detroit and the irresponsible Union presence that has been made over there... and it's costing your taxpayers...

Actually it's much more alike than you think. It is something that American unions don't learn the mistake of others... and it is getting worse over the time or so it seem.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I have Dyscalculia, and Dyslexia and did not know it until I about 15 yo. I could type 60 words a minutes in high school but I spelled all the words wrong. And I took accounting in high school and could not balance my book. I could add numbers in my head but writing them down was another thing. I have to use spell check all the time.
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It stinks to have this disability; everything is uphill battle. Believe me, I want more out of life as Jiro mentions, but before you bail on a steady job, you always need a back up plan.....

Regarding the Post Office, anytime management is giving you bad news, you know things are going downhill fast. I don't see anything getting better in the near future. Saturdays being eliminated are just the beginning of this mess....
 
Foxrac said:
Compare USA and USSR are absolutely nothing because USSR had authoritarian government with planned economy and USA has democratically elected government with free market economy.

Why aren't you point at Europe and they have more labor unions than in US?
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Also, the difference between European and US unions is that European labor unions don't campaign for political candidates at all... and US labor unions tend to campaign for candidates rather than defending workers' rights... thus costing LOTS of money.


I'm not so sure which is worse. You pick.
 
Jiro said:
oh well... some people are contented with peanuts for life... some people want more.
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The flip side of the coin is that jobs which pay more require you to be a high performer. With a government job you would have to try really hard to get fired.
 
A Nihilist said:
The flip side of the coin is that jobs which pay more require you to be a high performer. With a government job you would have to try really hard to get fired.
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You hit the nail on the head. We have people that abuse their time, abuse their leave and abuse their coworkers/employees, but there's no way to fire them unless they make screwing up a mission...and it happens rarely. Just look to the news. Whenever a higher up federal official messes up, they're just "reassigned."

Unfortunately, of those employees that do get canned, many are the scape goats....however, I think the Secret Service using Brazilian prostitutes while on official duty is an exception....you've got to ask, "What were they thinking...." :roll:
 
Lukin said:
Um. look at Detroit and the irresponsible Union presence that has been made over there... and it's costing your taxpayers...

Actually it's much more alike than you think. It is something that American unions don't learn the mistake of others... and it is getting worse over the time or so it seem.
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I don't believe that unions are majority responsible for problem in Detroit, but only some portion of them - for sure and US automakers had poor management and marketing. They didn't addressed about increasing of gas price since 2003. I'm not concerned about taxpayer bailout because they are LOAN and they have to pay back with interest, so US automakers are booming now after restructured from bankruptcy.

The free trade treaties and the foreign competitors hurt the US manufacturing companies.
 
Foxrac said:
The free trade treaties and the foreign competitors hurt the US manufacturing companies.
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I think USA did well back in the 50-60s because the competition (Japan, Germany, Italy, etc..) were struggling just to survive and recover from the war. Now that the competition is back in fighting shape it's a no brainer to see why USA is having to work harder.
 
Foxrac said:
I'm not concerned about taxpayer bailout because they are LOAN and they have to pay back with interest, so US automakers are booming now after restructured from bankruptcy.
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You might want to research both of these claims.
 
Lukin said:
Also, the difference between European and US unions is that European labor unions don't campaign for political candidates at all... and US labor unions tend to campaign for candidates rather than defending workers' rights... thus costing LOTS of money.


I'm not so sure which is worse. You pick.
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I noticed that unions in Europe does involve with politicians and they complain about austerity measures, so they continuous fought to keep deal flows for union workers, despite about government being broke.

In US, nearly all unions support the democrat politicians because they are pro-labor and they indeed defending the worker's rights from wage cut, lay off, cut the benefits, etc. The choice with negotiation is getting more tough now because governments are running out of money, so left the unions with tough choice. The financial crisis has caused major devastation to everything.
 
A Nihilist said:
I think USA did well back in the 50-60s because the competition (Japan, Germany, Italy, etc..) were struggling just to survive and recover from the war. Now that the competition is back in fighting shape it's a no brainer to see why USA is having to work harder.
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Yup, you have a good point and environmental regulation has hurt the manufacturing jobs, so make cost more to protect the environment.

TXgolfer said:
You might want to research both of these claims.
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You told me about year ago without present the resource and I'm done with research, so I ensured my statement. If you don't agree so please present with resource like website.
 
Foxrac said:
You told me about year ago without present the resource and I'm done with research, so I ensured my statement. If you don't agree so please present with resource like website.
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*shrug* If you don't want to research and instead want to make claims like this...well, that is your choice.
 
TXgolfer said:
I would suggest you chose your own sources of information.
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so now, I lost it because I used the google to find any negative or problem with US automakers during post-bankruptcy era, so only GM complained about Volt wasn't very successful, so rest of them, none of them that I found.
 
Foxrac said:
so now, I lost it because I used the google to find any negative or problem with US automakers during post-bankruptcy era, so only GM complained about Volt wasn't very successful, so rest of them, none of them that I found.
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Proof you can't trust articles. (Kind of my point) You have to be able to analyze data. You have to be able to ask "why?"

I am sure people were pretty happy with housing before it burst as well.
 
TXgolfer said:
Proof you can't trust articles. (Kind of my point) You have to be able to analyze data. You have to be able to ask "why?"

I am sure people were pretty happy with housing before it burst as well.
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Oh I see, I have strong expectation about want economy to booming and ability to find an employment. I'm big fan of Ford and doesn't want to see them goes down.

I'm not interested to work at manufacturing jobs, regardless on paying because of limited choice with vision problem, so my position will be limited to office and individual.
 
Foxrac said:
I noticed that unions in Europe does involve with politicians and they complain about austerity measures, so they continuous fought to keep deal flows for union workers, despite about government being broke.

In US, nearly all unions support the democrat politicians because they are pro-labor and they indeed defending the worker's rights from wage cut, lay off, cut the benefits, etc. The choice with negotiation is getting more tough now because governments are running out of money, so left the unions with tough choice. The financial crisis has caused major devastation to everything.
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Technically, EU government isn't "broken". Just couple of members that are broken because of their irresponsible economical behaviors. French Socialist president Hollande wants to break German banking... lol... it's really funny because German is the primary leader of EU, as usual... EU is practically the Fourth Reich, this time without army (who needs army? we have NATO). In fact, the founders of EU were former Nazi economists in post-war Germany in 50s...

The bottom line is, though, main EU members are trying to teach the late members a lesson. Which can fixed, I think. Fiscal conservatism is an important concept here. We'll see. I don't need to get in details in that right now.

About US- Yes, they did elect democrat politicians, but those same politicians knew what were coming. They had to conform to anti-Union business for a reason, even though they were benefited by it in the first place.

And you are quite correct- your US crisises affected EU... which is an unfortunate business... But that's just the way nowadays, US-Europe economics have never been so important
 
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