POLL: Do you believe in aliens or life outside of earth?

is there life outside of earth?

  • Yes, I believe so

    Votes: 23 60.5%

  • No way

    Votes: 6 15.8%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 5 13.2%

  • Not sure but think so

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • Total voters
    38
souggy said:
Sadly the ancient Egyptians were on their way to dislodging magical thinking, and so were the ancient Greeks. It is clearly shown in the codices and manuscripts as time goes on there were less and less rituals and more and more details on human anatomy, engineering and so on. Thales and the philosophers of Ionia were the first in the Western world to attempt to explain the natural world without invoking the supernatural.

So humans were already on their way to casting off that way of thinking until the conversion of Constantine the Great. After that, he started bringing down the banhammer on heresy. Unfortunately at the time, astrology and astronomy were considered as one and the same and took the backseat until the rise of secularism under the Dutch Empire offering people refugees from the Catholic-Protestant wars.

So the groundswork was already there, just it got suppressed.
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I learned all that from watching Cosmos as well. ;)
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I learned all that from watching Cosmos as well. ;)
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Nice wink.

Too bad I didn't read/watch Sagan or Dawkins during my second year of post-secondary. It would had spared me of the "everything is equally valid because everything is human conjectures" mantra the world has horribly misinterpreted.

But Antiquity and Classics 201 did help a lot when I had my head up my ass.
 
:gpost: I believe it exists just that I don't know what they are. The possibility is there since the big bang.

posts from hell said:
It would be naive of me to think that there is a lack of possibility of life in the universe. Earth is a living proof of the possibility.

With countless systems out there - I wouldn't discount the possibility of life being out there.

Personally, I am pretty sure there is something out there.
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DeafBadger said:
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Before I graduated high school, I read the Christian Bible six times, front to back, because I couldn't hear sermons, so I read the Bible instead. Most Christians never read it once.

I also read it without the "aid" of those daily scripture readers that basically feed scripture to you piecemeal and tell you what it means, instead of having you read it in context and figure it out for yourself.

After high school, I became a "born again Christian". I studied the Bible intensely and I used a concordance to study the original words behind the translations. You learn a lot of interesting stuff doing this.

I also compared different translations of the Bible. After a while, you notice that some translations will translate passages in ways that change the meaning in crucial ways. If it all means the same thing, why the difference in meaning?

Some translations had extra passages that weren't present in other translations. Some even had extra books! Where did this come from? Why didn't other translations have them?

Using the concordance, I learned that the original words behind the translation could be translated in a variety of ways. Just like many words in English can have many meanings depending on grammar or cultural context, so did the original Hebrew, Aramic and Greek. There is so much that we no longer know about these original cultures that oftentimes, it is virtually impossible to know what exact context or meaning the author meant. Thus a perfect translation becomes impossible.
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Most people think I am nuts when I have an entire wall dedicated to religious texts. Most Christians I know only have one copy of the Bible.

I means, it's how I started dating a Catholic... when she saw me reading the Qu'ran in the hallways while waiting for class.

But what I am finding more and more is, very few people bother to go out and learn history beyond what their pastors tell them. I am also finding most people like the concept, but they don't like the reality.

So I am pretty confident when I say the scriptures have very little to do with what people like to believe about them. But again, most antitheists and converters to other religions often know their stuff like the back of their hand. I am not an antitheist though so it doesn't have the same vigor nature others find pleasure in.
 
Reba said:
Correction. The Bible mentions the entire universe in the Creation.

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.



Correction:

The Old Testament books, which include the Creation, were written long before 2,000 years ago. You must be confused with the New Testament books.

Also, the entire Bible includes concepts beyond "our little planet," and people were (and are) quite capable of dealing with those concepts. The only concept humans have a problem with (but God does not) is the infinity of time and space.


"Inflict?" What an odd choice of wording. Do you feel that man today is inflicted with heavy philosophical questions that they can't deal with? After all, man still hasn't explored deep space.


That's why you aren't an omnipotent being. :lol:
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I have talked to several biblical scholars and theologians concerning all this. Giant beings are mentioned in the Bible. Man was God's last creation. There was a race created before man. The flood destroyed that race ... etc. etc.

The four living creatures mentioned in Ezekiel are also mentioned in Revelation. They were not angels, they were flesh and bone living breathing creatures. They appeared from large 'wheels within wheels".

Moses and the Israelites followed a large black object in the sky for 40 years when they wandered the desert - its all there.
 
Steinhauer said:
I have talked to several biblical scholars and theologians concerning all this. Giant beings are mentioned in the Bible. Man was God's last creation. There was a race created before man. The flood destroyed that race ... etc. etc.
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Here's an alternative explanation:

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:giggle:

What we were asking for was ending all wicked ice giants. Gets lost in translation I guess.

Ice giants would be cool. :cool2:
 
Honestly, I think there was a lot of wine going around when parts of the Bible were written. :giggle: I wouldn't put all that much weight on it. ;)
 
DeafBadger said:
Honestly, I think there was a lot of wine going around when parts of the Bible were written. :giggle: I wouldn't put all that much weight on it. ;)
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Reminds me of a Dwayne Kennedy comedy skit . . .

"Moses was drinking and talking about his day '. . . and there was a bush . . . (sip) and it was on fire . . . (sip) . . . and it was talking to me! (ssssiiiippp). This is some good shit. (sip ) . . . I'm drunk.' "
 
they got too 'spiritual' about drinks i mean at that time, it was never understand alcohol, or its effects, just a superstitious views on it
 
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I think I have something to say.

It might even be important.

But I don't think that I, or anyone else, much cares what it is.
 
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