Police: 20 Feared Dead After Florida Nightclub Terror Attack

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hoichi said:
wounded knee actually is the largest mass shooting in american history
of the 297 victims.
200 where women and children
damn...
(shakes head)
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Huge difference between what went on in Orlando and what went on in Wounded Knee, South Dakota in 1890. Orlando was carried out by one shooter and Wounded Knee was carried out by 500 members of the 7th Calvary. Wounded Knee was actually a "military campaign" conducted by the 7th to disarm the Lakota of their firearms. It started with the Calvary opening fire from all sides after they unsuccessfully tried to disarm a deaf indian who refused to give up his weapon because he couldn't understand what the soldiers were requesting and in the ensuing scuffle his rifle went off and the 7th opened fire indiscriminately and when it was over, anywhere from 150 to 300 men, women and children were dead, 51 Lakota were wounded (some later died) and 25 members of the 7th Calvary were killed (some by friendly fire) with 39 being wounded of which some later died. This massacre was not committed by one person, but a regiment of 7th Calvary soldiers 500 strong. So it's has no correlation to what went on in Florida. Where did you get that 200 victims were women and children? Seeing as though there were only 120 women and children in the camp that number would be impossible.
 
Reba said:
Has anyone seen anything about whether or not any of the club victims tried to jump the shooter and take him down? That is, like a small group of them jumping him while he was reloading, or coming up behind him, or hiding behind one of the bathroom doors and surprising him when he entered.
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Have you heard any of the audio recordings of the shooting? I don't know how they would of jumped someone who was able to reload as fast as he was and was basically shooting a machine gun.
 
Steinhauer said:
because it was a gun free zone
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Oh wow, I don't give a damn about "gun free zone".

This article is about sad, tragic event, but not debate about gun issues.

It is getting tiresome when someone carried out about gun issues, also I don't think that loosening the restriction for bars and clubs will going better, that's no reality.
 
Steinhauer said:
My comment was not directed at you. you can go lie down and take a rest since this subject is so tiresome for you.
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Not really, it isn't just only for me but for other members as well.

Calvin offered separate thread for y'all to debate about gun issues, not this thread.

Why are y'all continue to disrespecting Calvin? It means that he doesn't have moderator power anymore?
 
Steinhauer said:
A little humor helps during the rough times my friend. Don't feel bad or ashamed.

I am an organ donor, so when I am gone I am going to donate my eyes to you. Hopefully technology will progress to the point where a transplant will work but you will have to wear contacts (sorry)
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I'm not sure if transplant will going help because my body lacked one protein (Cadherin-23) that is necessary to maintain the normal retina, also normal hearing as well so it could be destructive without fixing by add protein to my body. My genetic specialist told me that gene therapy could be possible to treat or cure, also repair the damaged cells. I know that federal government offer clinical trials for people to enroll.

I could careless if my deafness is cured because of cure US and it is still hard to find a job if you are deaf.

I do have major issue with my family for unable to support me, that's not fun at all.
 
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SilverRoxy said:
I hate that they use mental illness as an excuse for killing people. It made rest of us look bad!
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Typical generalization, unfortunately. Just like how they think all Muslims are terrorists, etc.
 
Foxrac said:
Not really, it isn't just only for me but for other members as well.

Calvin offered separate thread for y'all to debate about gun issues, not this thread.

Why are y'all continue to disrespecting Calvin? It means that he doesn't have moderator power anymore?
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As far as I know of, he's still a mod. He's just taking a break from mod duties.

It doesn't mean people need to be disrespectful (I'm not referring to you specially Foxrac) because they think they can get away with anything.
 
This was my biggest fear after the shooting happen ! People will vote for Trump b/c a woman wouldn't be tough enough ! Damn Hillary if Trump win ! Banning Muslims
isn't going to stop the mass shootings ! ISIS recruited US citizens right on the internet to fight their cause on USA soil ! This is what happen with this shooting.
It's too bad there wasn't a ban on Germans when Trump family wanted to come to USA !
 
seb said:
Have you heard any of the audio recordings of the shooting? I don't know how they was wwould of jumped someone who was able to reload as fast as he was and was basically shooting a machine gun.
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It was not a machine gun.
 
seb said:
Huge difference between what went on in Orlando and what went on in Wounded Knee, South Dakota in 1890. Orlando was carried out by one shooter and Wounded Knee was carried out by 500 members of the 7th Calvary. Wounded Knee was actually a "military campaign" conducted by the 7th to disarm the Lakota of their firearms. It started with the Calvary opening fire from all sides after they unsuccessfully tried to disarm a deaf indian who refused to give up his weapon because he couldn't understand what the soldiers were requesting and in the ensuing scuffle his rifle went off and the 7th opened fire indiscriminately and when it was over, anywhere from 150 to 300 men, women and children were dead, 51 Lakota were wounded (some later died) and 25 members of the 7th Calvary were killed (some by friendly fire) with 39 being wounded of which some later died. This massacre was not committed by one person, but a regiment of 7th Calvary soldiers 500 strong. So it's has no correlation to what went on in Florida. Where did you get that 200 victims were women and children? Seeing as though there were only 120 women and children in the camp that number would be impossible.
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and the difference between the women and chidlren slaughtered at wounded knee and the people slaughtered in orlando is what?

you are stating the details which are different

but i ask
was wounded knee a mass killing?
yes or no
was orlando a mass killing
yes or no

we can start there..

granted ive seen different numbers...on line you know 200 women this or 190 that
its weird arguing like that..
it brings to mind those who argue over whether it was 6 million in the holocaust or just 5 million and 900 thousand,

wounded knee was perpetrated by a government. the u,.s.
orlando was done by a guy who had allegiance to a government. islamic state

the motives for both slaughters are indeed different.
but in both cases people were slaughtered.
one had allot more slaughtered then the other...

anyway
 
seb said:
Huge difference between what went on in Orlando and what went on in Wounded Knee, South Dakota in 1890. Orlando was carried out by one shooter and Wounded Knee was carried out by 500 members of the 7th Calvary. Wounded Knee was actually a "military campaign" conducted by the 7th to disarm the Lakota of their firearms. It started with the Calvary opening fire from all sides after they unsuccessfully tried to disarm a deaf indian who refused to give up his weapon because he couldn't understand what the soldiers were requesting and in the ensuing scuffle his rifle went off and the 7th opened fire indiscriminately and when it was over, anywhere from 150 to 300 men, women and children were dead, 51 Lakota were wounded (some later died) and 25 members of the 7th Calvary were killed (some by friendly fire) with 39 being wounded of which some later died. This massacre was not committed by one person, but a regiment of 7th Calvary soldiers 500 strong. So it's has no correlation to what went on in Florida. Where did you get that 200 victims were women and children? Seeing as though there were only 120 women and children in the camp that number would be impossible.
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so you still wont answer any of the questions ive asked you?

telling
 
Steinhauer said:
because it was a gun free zone
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indeed
no matter how much spin they are tossing around, and damn im getting whip lash...

in the end it comes down to the above.

these people most of them would, not be dead if this place wasn't "kill me zone" (a polite euphemism for gun free zone)
 
hoichi said:
and the difference between the women and chidlren slaughtered at wounded knee and the people slaughtered in orlando is what?

you are stating the details which are different

but i ask
was wounded knee a mass killing?
yes or no
was orlando a mass killing
yes or no

we can start there..

granted ive seen different numbers...on line you know 200 women this or 190 that
its weird arguing like that..
it brings to mind those who argue over whether it was 6 million in the holocaust or just 5 million and 900 thousand,

wounded knee was perpetrated by a government. the u,.s.
orlando was done by a guy who had allegiance to a government. islamic state

the motives for both slaughters are indeed different.
but in both cases people were slaughtered.
one had allot more slaughtered then the other...

anyway
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Well if you want to bring up a bigger death toll on US soil look a Guam in WWII we killed over 18,000 Japanese soldiers in a military campaign to retake the island, so perhaps that is the largest mass killing on US soil. Problem is we aren't trying to find the worst, this is about one killer killing 49 people and wounding another 50+ it doesn't matter if it was on US soil or someplace else in the world, it is a senseless killing by one person who whether he was mentally ill, filled with hate or following some radical bunch of radical "religious" killers he should not of been allowed to own a semi automatic or fully automatic gun with a large magazine.
 
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