Palin's Daughter--Pregnant!

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Maria said:
If that's what you think.. but for me, I think it is irreversible. Can't fix - IMO, because of cashless society in the near future. Please, forgive me if this is off-topic. I just want to spill the beans what is on my mind. :lol:
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a very pessimistic person, aren't ya? :D
 
Maria said:
Ahh, please allow me to say somethin' here. I know Americans want religious freedom (or freedom from religion) to define God or gods in any way they want, freedom of choice to select abortion for unwanted pregnancies and freedom to enjoy whatever entertainment they desire -- includin' films, music, books and television drenched with violence and illicit sex. Many Americans demand unrestrained sexual freedom between consentin' adults. They want and fully expect unhindered and total freedom of speech. Americans want full freedom to define culture and lifestyle issues in their image. They want unrestrained freedom to divorce. Americans claim to want fairness, justice, economics and educational opportunity for all. But all freedoms and social values must be define on their terms. Above all, they want the ability to get the leader they think best suits their desires and to get rid of a leader they don't like or get bored with when he fails to bring utopia. They want that choice on a very regular basis. They view this as a sacred right.

Is that what you want to have in a perfect leader ?
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If Americans want those freedom...so what? Why make it your problem? U choose what values and morals to live by but u cannot force them on others.
 
Jiro said:
I'd like a leader who preserve the freedom of choices for all citizens.... and the one who hangs a frame of Constitution on his wall. :cool2:
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Exactly! A leader who respects diversity and different values/beliefs. Not someone who expects everyone to follow his/her own values and beliefs.
 
Maria said:
Ahh, please allow me to say somethin' here. I know Americans want religious freedom (or freedom from religion) to define God or gods in any way they want, freedom of choice to select abortion for unwanted pregnancies and freedom to enjoy whatever entertainment they desire -- includin' films, music, books and television drenched with violence and illicit sex. Many Americans demand unrestrained sexual freedom between consentin' adults. They want and fully expect unhindered and total freedom of speech. Americans want full freedom to define culture and lifestyle issues in their image. They want unrestrained freedom to divorce. Americans claim to want fairness, justice, economics and educational opportunity for all. But all freedoms and social values must be define on their terms. Above all, they want the ability to get the leader they think best suits their desires and to get rid of a leader they don't like or get bored with when he fails to bring utopia. They want that choice on a very regular basis. They view this as a sacred right.

Is that what you want to have in a perfect leader ?
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I want to point out that if an individual wants freedom from religion--that means no religion.

Freedom of religion means that we have choices in which religion we want to partake in.

Just want to clarify that. :)
 
shel90 said:
If Americans want those freedom...so what? Why make it your problem? U choose what values and morals to live by but u cannot force them on others.
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Why do you think I make it my problem ? It ain't MY problem. I CAN say my pieces here. There's NOTHIN' I can do IF, they chose what they want. I am here to debate my view, POV and all. I don't live their life. Understand ? :)

( It's like I am standin' with a picket that says what I voice against, but I don't walk across to the other side, the people who are pro-choicers who voice theirs. I'm just stayin' in my line and protest. )
 
Byrdie714 said:
I want to point out that if an individual wants freedom from religion--that means no religion.

Freedom of religion means that we have choices in which religion we want to partake in.

Just want to clarify that. :)
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Oh, yes I know. I am perfectly aware of that. :)
 
Maria said:
Why do you think I make it my problem ? It ain't MY problem. I CAN say my pieces here. There's NOTHIN' I can do IF, they chose what they want. I am here to debate my view, POV and all. I don't live their life. Understand ? :)

( It's like I am standin' with a picket that says what I voice against, but I don't walk across to the other side, the people who are pro-choicers who voice theirs. I'm just stayin' in my line and protest. )
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ok but problem is - it's hypocritical of a person, who lives in a country with its own belief and principles, to speak out against that very belief and principles. For example - a communist American living in democratic America to speak out against democracy. :confused: makes no sense, right? That person should be living in communist country, right?

If you remember the history - the creation and purpose of America is freedom of religion... so if the Americans want religious freedom - they can go live in a religious country (like.... Vatican City) whose policy and laws are controlled/influenced by the Church.
 
shel90 said:
If Americans want those freedom...so what? Why make it your problem? U choose what values and morals to live by but u cannot force them on others.
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Yes, that´s right.
 
Jiro said:
ok but problem is - it's hypocritical of a person, who lives in a country with its own belief and principles, to speak out against that very belief and principles. For example - a communist American living in democratic America to speak out against democracy. :confused: makes no sense, right? That person should be living in communist country, right?

If you remember the history - the creation and purpose of America is freedom of religion... so if the Americans want religious freedom - they can go live in a religious country (like.... Vatican City) whose policy and laws are controlled/influenced by the Church.
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Yes, I can understand what you mean. Well, this America is a " diversity " country with multi-cultures and religions. I've learned that right now all the religions are in ONE religion with the same God in despite of their doctrine difference. Only very few of them don't join the same group. It's why this America is not really " America " anymore. It is changin' alot. No body knows the difference of " truth " anymore. They don't read black and white. They read only grey. Ok, now you mentioned about Vatican City -- well, one day Vatican City will become obsolete because, of its history.
 
You guys aren't discussing religion in this thread, are you???
 
rockdrummer said:
You guys aren't discussing religion in this thread, are you???
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Yes, I notice it, too.

Hi gals and guys,

Please don´t discuss about religion issues here case the moderator might move my thread to Relgion sub-forum.


Hi Admin. & moderators,

Please don´t move my thread to religion sub-forum if you feel my thread is turn into religion issues then delete their posts.

:ty:
 
rockdrummer said:
You guys aren't discussing religion in this thread, are you???
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No, not exactly.

Lieblin',

If you feel that it is about " religion " please, accept my apologize. We will not discuss this afterwards. :)
 
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Bristol Palin: ‘I don’t regret’ being a mom at 18

But Sarah Palin’s daughter still plans to campaign against teen pregnancies

Though she says she doesn’t regret being a mom at 18, Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol said she would campaign to prevent teen pregnancies.

“I don’t regret it at all,” Bristol Palin told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren Monday night in her first interview since giving birth to her son, Tripp, on Dec. 28. “I just wish it had happened in 10 years, not now.”

As governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has been an advocate of abstinence-only sex education in public schools. But her daughter said that expecting teens to eschew the pleasures of the flesh is “unrealistic.”

Embracing motherhood

Bristol, who continues to live at home with her parents while finishing high school, said she enjoys motherhood. “I like being a mom. I love it. Just like seeing him smile and stuff, it’s awesome. It is very challenging, but it’s so rewarding,” she said.

She said she’s had plenty of practice caring for children. “I’ve been baby-sitting my whole life,” she said. What makes it tough is “realizing I’m not living for myself right now.”

Bristol’s pregnancy became national news just days after Sarah Palin was named Sen. John McCain’s Republican running mate last summer. Tripp’s father is Levi Johnston, Bristol’s classmate and a star on their high school’s hockey team. During the campaign, the governor said that Bristol and Johnston were planning a summer 2009 wedding.

The governor and her husband, Todd Palin, have been publicly supportive of their daughter throughout her pregnancy and after she gave birth. In an interview with TODAY’s Natalie Morales later in the Tuesday show, Lorenzo Benet, who wrote “Trailblazer,” a recently published biography of Sarah Palin, said that the pregnancy had not been in the governor’s master plan.

“Gov. Palin indicated it wasn’t the first thing she had in mind for her 17-year-old daughter,” said Benet, who is assistant editor of People magazine. “She wanted [Bristol] to finish high school, go to college, get a job. And I think it was really difficult for the family to come to grips with this over time. But also over time, Gov. Palin accept[ed] reality, and they moved on and seem to be doing quite well.”

Bristol told Van Susteren that she and the baby’s father want to get married, but not right now. Both are finishing school, and Johnston is looking to start a career. The teen mom described Johnston as a “hands-on” dad who’s very involved with Tripp. “He’s in love with him as much as I am,” Bristol said.

Breaking the news

She said that telling her parents she was pregnant was “harder than labor.” To break the news, she assembled her best friend and Johnston on a couch with her parents. But when it came time to tell her parents she was pregnant, Bristol said she felt sick to her stomach and couldn’t get the words out.

“My friend blurted it out,” she said, adding that her memory of the event is cloudy. “It’s something I don’t want to remember.”

In ways, Bristol’s reluctance mirrored her own mother’s difficulty telling her children more than a year ago that she was pregnant. Benet told Morales that Gov. Palin kept the pregnancy secret from her four other children as long as she could.

“Not discussing the pregnancy with her daughters, she felt, would shorten the process and spare them from unwanted attention,” Benet wrote in his book. Also, Sarah Palin was not sure how she’d react to having a baby with special needs. “"Not knowing in my own heart if I was going to be ready to embrace a child with special needs — I couldn't talk about it,” she told Benet.

“She had a difficult time getting her arms around it,” Benet told Morales. “For Gov. Palin it was prayer, a lot of reading, a lot of writing. She came to grips with it. The day he was born, I think, that’s when she really accepted him.”

Benet also reported that while Bristol was pregnant last year, she was living in Anchorage with her aunt and uncle, Heather and Kurt Bruce, and working at two espresso shops — while also attending West High School. Johnston remained 40 miles away in Wasilla, the Palins’ hometown, but the two continued dating.

‘My decision’

Sarah Palin is ardently pro-life, but Bristol said that didn’t affect her own decision to have her baby rather than terminate the pregnancy. “It doesn’t matter what my mom’s views are on it. It was my decision,” she told Van Susteren.

As Bristol, who is named for the home city of ESPN, spoke with Van Susteren in her parents’ home, Sarah Palin stepped into the shot cradling Tripp.

The governor has a 10-month-old son of her own, Trig, who has Down syndrome. She told Van Susteren she supports her daughter’s decision to be an advocate for preventing teen pregnancy.

“I’m proud of her to want to take on an advocacy role,” Sarah Palin said. “It’s not the most ideal situation, but certainly make the best of it.”

Bristol Palin: ‘I don’t regret’ teen motherhood - TODAY People- msnbc.com
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:roll: <-- that's what I think
 
She is contradicting herself by making statements that she wishes that she would've waited while glamourizing at being a mom at 18. :roll:
 
And, like we have all said numerous times, abstinence only education does not work, as it is "unrealistic" to expect teens not to have sex.

Many, many contradictions here: "I don't regret it" and "I wish it had happened 10 years from now instead of now." for instance, are contradictory statements. Wishing it happened at a later time is a regret that it happened now.
 
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