Palin to Obama: 'Do your job, secure our border'

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kokonut said:
It isn't primary, it's secondary. Read the bill.
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No, it isn't secondary.

Secondary is referred as whoever has commit crime, other than "illegal" and traffic violation, it include murder, rape, theft, assault, misconduct, speeding, reckless driving, DUI, fail to stop at traffic, etc so police check the immigration status after catch for commit crime or traffic violation.

Primary means police can stop anyone whoever hasn't commit crime or traffic violation yet and ask them for immigration status.

I already READ the bill so you need read this bill too.
 
2. During any stop, detention or arrest, a police officer must try to determine a person's immigration status if the officer has reason to suspect the person is here illegally. An exception exists if making that determination might obstruct an investigation.

• The law says: "For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation."

• What it means: The language - which was changed Thursday night to clarify lawful contact - effectively makes checking immigration status a "secondary enforcement" akin to the state's seat-belt laws, said Paul Senseman, the governor's spokesman.
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Again, checking the immigration status is a secondary enforcement.
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Steinhauer said:
When the Federal Government deported Elvira Arellano (the second time) they marched right into the church she was claiming sanctuary in and arrested her.
There is no Federal Law granting amnesty nor "sanctuary" to illegals.
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reallllyyyyyyy? what a change in your tune!

Steinhauer said:
Obama lied to you. He passed healthcare reform BEFORE granting amnesty to illegals in order to make the "budget" work.

When he passes amnesty for illegals YOU wil be required to pay for criminal's healthcare coverage. If YOU do not, you will be fined and/or imprisoned.

btw, there is absolutely no "civil right" to enter the US illegally.
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no such thing is condoned by federal government but it's hypocritical of Palin to wag her finger at Obama when her state is in business of providing sanctuary to illegal aliens.

and you, Steinhauser - your state has one city that does "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy but they're about to remove it soon. Therefore, your state is not a hypocrite but Palin and her state are.
 
Foxrac said:
then AZ governor changed again. :roll:

It already on federal law so AZ immigrant bill is no need.

Let kill this bill.
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This bill is actually following a Federal requirement in helping enforce illegal immigration. California has a very similar language on enforcement per the Federal law.
 
kokonut said:
This bill is actually following a Federal requirement in helping enforce illegal immigration. California has a very similar language on enforcement per the Federal law.
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Not necessary.

California has sanctuary cities, Los Angeles is one of them, that's city where I used live in.
 
Jiro said:
wondering why Palin - a former Governor of Alaska is wagging her finger at Obama when she, in fact, did no such thing in her state. In fact - her state forbid the use of state resources to enforce federal immigration law :dunno:

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - it's the sanctuary policy where it's a safe zone for illegals to live in. It prohibits police officers from asking about immigration status without criminal cause. This policy was enacted after a 1996 federal law called "Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act" aka IIRIRA. This requires local government to cooperate with I.C.E. regarding illegal immigration. I recall that many cities and towns have enacted "sanctuary policy".

One of the supporters of Sanctuary Policy (source) is.... Anchorage and Fairbanks.

:dunno:
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Let me get this straight. When a state like Arizona tries to do something to deal with the illegal immigration problem, you rip them quite harshly. Then, Sarah Palin calls on the federal government to enforce their own law and you rip on her because she didn't do something about it as a state governor. Which one is it? Should the state governments do something about it or not? And how is it hypocritical to demand the federal government enforce their own law when one has never been a part of the federal government?

Besides that, Sarah Palin was the governor of Alaska, not the mayor of Anchorage or Fairbanks. Also, I seriously doubt Alaska has the same illegal immigration problems that Arizona has, so why should she use up time and political capital on that when there are other issues to attend to?
 
I am curious..if it was so important to secure our borders...why the blame on Obama when Bush didnt do it when it became a growing problem?:hmm:
 
Who is Palin to tell someone to do their job when she walked out on her own job as governor! What a hypocrite Palian is!
 
darkdog said:
Let me get this straight. When a state like Arizona tries to do something to deal with the illegal immigration problem, you rip them quite harshly. Then, Sarah Palin calls on the federal government to enforce their own law and you rip on her because she didn't do something about it as a state governor. Which one is it? Should the state governments do something about it or not? And how is it hypocritical to demand the federal government enforce their own law when one has never been a part of the federal government?

Besides that, Sarah Palin was the governor of Alaska, not the mayor of Anchorage or Fairbanks. Also, I seriously doubt Alaska has the same illegal immigration problems that Arizona has, so why should she use up time and political capital on that when there are other issues to attend to?
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both.

1. Arizona is not doing it right to enforce the federal immigration law
2. Palin's state has a state-wide issuance that forbids the use of state resources to enforce federal immigration law
3. if you're gonna wag your finger at someone, make sure your background backs you up
4. there is other way to enforce the federal immigration law.... like putting all the resource on prosecuting employers/corporations in your own state instead of alienating your own residents just to find some petty illegal aliens. Cost Benefit wise? I think not.
 
shel90 said:
I am curious..if it was so important to secure our borders...why the blame on Obama when Bush didnt do it when it became a growing problem?:hmm:
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That was called 2006. People were pissed and the immigration reform bill failed only because people raised such a stink about it that enough congressmen got scared and backed out to kill it. That's part of the reason why his approval ratings were so low- he lost his base and immigration was a big part of that.

In short, both Obama and Bush deserve blame on this one and have gotten a lot of blame on it.
 
darkdog said:
That was called 2006. People were pissed and the immigration reform bill failed only because people raised such a stink about it that enough congressmen got scared and backed out to kill it. That's part of the reason why his approval ratings were so low- he lost his base and immigration was a big part of that.

In short, both Obama and Bush deserve blame on this one and have gotten a lot of blame on it.
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Right. Both didn't do their jobs. This goes for previous presidents as well.
 
and what has Palin done about illegal immigration problem in her state? a state-wide issuance that forbids the use of state resources to enforce federal immigration law. ooo dang!
 
kokonut said:
Right. Both didn't do their jobs. This goes for previous presidents as well.
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Then Palin should shut up because she didnt speak out against the other presidents as far as I know.
 
Jiro said:
and what has Palin done about illegal immigration problem in her state? a state-wide issuance that forbids the use of state resources to enforce federal immigration law. ooo dang!
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and Alaska is too far away from Mexico and drug cartel infested area.
 
Foxrac said:
I prefer to have G.W. Bush in office over Sarah Palin.
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Bush waving and smiling with caption beneath saying: "Miss me yet?"
 
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