Oregon community college shooting, multiple casualties

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seb said:
So let me ask you this, do you think the city streets are safer today than they were 30 years ago, do you think kids going to school are safer than they were 30 years ago? If people had to spend the money to get a real background check we probably would have a lot less people on the streets with guns who shouldn't have them.
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Today, the crime rate is lower in most cities - lowest as 1960s level than in 1980s and 1990s.

The assault gun ban that passed in 1994 didn't prevent Columbine shooting.

If you want gun control law to be 100% effective - it means government has to disarm and confiscate all firearm and must be established when US was born.

Japan, Korea and China are already established but in US, not going happen.

As pro-gun, I loathe NRA because they support censorship for video game and media.
 
seb said:
So let me ask you this, do you think the city streets are safer today than they were 30 years ago, do you think kids going to school are safer than they were 30 years ago? If people had to spend the money to get a real background check we probably would have a lot less people on the streets with guns who shouldn't have them.
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So, let me ask you, how many criminals who get their guns by stealing them or buying on the black market will be lining up for "real" background checks? How many people who can't pass the background check will have family members provide them with guns? How many of them will be taken off the streets due to failing a background check?

Seriously, which buyers will be cut out of the gun market if they have to pay for "real" background checks?

Only those who don't have the money to pay for them.

We already see this happening. In the very strict gun control states, guess who is protected by armed private security? The wealthy.
 
seb said:
So let me ask you this, do you think the city streets are safer today than they were 30 years ago, do you think kids going to school are safer than they were 30 years ago? If people had to spend the money to get a real background check we probably would have a lot less people on the streets with guns who shouldn't have them.
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Making something prohibitivly expensive is the same as an out right ban. And yes gun involved homicides have been treanding down for the last 25 years and violent crime is at it's lowest since 1978 despite the recession.

If you're really interested in saving lives the money spent on gun control would save a lot more people if it was spent on cancer research, fighting obesity or catching drunk drives. Any of wich kill more people than guns. If however you're interested in jumping on the media scare frenzy than you're on the right track.
 
seb said:
As I said, you obviously want the schools to accept the responsibility for your shortcomings as a parent. Right from wrong, treating others as you would want to be treated, not touching what isn't yours, respecting human life, that is the job for the parents to teach their children and should start at a very early age and as I said if they haven't learned these lessons by the time they get into school, it's too late! Teachers can enforce it, but they can't teach it to someone who never had the basic principles laid out to them in their formative years.

Probably the real problem here is that it takes two incomes to survive in most of the US today and parents have relied on preschools to basically raise their children and to a certain extent they have failed to teach basic life skills to these children. Years ago the mothers basically stayed home and taught their children these valuable lessons, unfortunately, they now have to work.
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It was a teacher who realize I was hoh not my parents or doctor !
I am so glad my teacher took the time to give me a hearing test after school . Teachers something are more educated than parents will notice
a student needs help in someway . I am so happy my teacher was involved in my life told my parents I was hoh and needed a hearing aid. A good teacher care about the welfare of their students.
 
If anything, whenever new anti-gun legislation threatens, there's a run on gun, mag and ammo sales, and more people signing up for concealed weapons permits.
 
seb said:
So let me ask you this, do you think the city streets are safer today than they were 30 years ago, do you think kids going to school are safer than they were 30 years ago? If people had to spend the money to get a real background check we probably would have a lot less people on the streets with guns who shouldn't have them.
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Oh hahaha! Haven't you done research yet?

Chicago have been one of most strict with gun control for 30 years (Supreme court shot that down recently), it was almost impossible to get concealed gun permit in Chicago.... Yet they got one of highest homicide rate than anywhere in the USA. Those with loose gun laws has one of lowest homicide rate.

This is known fact, check out before you blabbing useless gun control freako.
 
jonnyghost said:
Making something prohibitivly expensive is the same as an out right ban. And yes gun involved homicides have been treanding down for the last 25 years and violent crime is at it's lowest since 1978 despite the recession.

If you're really interested in saving lives the money spent on gun control would save a lot more people if it was spent on cancer research, fighting obesity or catching drunk drives. Any of wich kill more people than guns. If however you're interested in jumping on the media scare frenzy than you're on the right track.
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Yup! United states citizen has at least 30 times more risk of getting heart attack than getting killed by murderer Here is link showing cause of death, bottom of 15 causes...
http://health.howstuffworks.com/dis...mmon-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states.htm



Home / Health / Diseases & Conditions / Death & Dying

15 Most Common Causes of Death in the United States

by the Editors of Publications International, Ltd.

Where you live has a good deal to do with how you will die. In the United States, the top two causes of death are responsible for more than 50 percent of the annual death toll. In the world at large, there's a lot more variety in how you meet your Maker. Here is our list of the 15 most common causes of death in the United States:

Cause

Percent of Total
1. Diseases of the heart
28.5
2. Malignant tumors 22.8
3. Cerebrovascular diseases 6.7
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases 5.1
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries) 4.4
6. Diabetes mellitus 3.0
7. Influenza and pneumonia 2.7
8. Alzheimer's disease 2.4
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis 1.7
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4
11. Suicide 1.3
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 1.1
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 0.8
14. Parkinson's disease (tied) 0.7
15. Homicide (tied) 0.7

Source: CDC/NHS, National Vital Statistics System
 
diehardbiker said:
Yup! United states citizen has at least 30 times more risk of getting heart attack than getting killed by murderer Here is link showing cause of death, bottom of 15 causes...
http://health.howstuffworks.com/dis...mmon-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states.htm


15 Most Common Causes of Death in the United States

by the Editors of Publications International, Ltd.

Where you live has a good deal to do with how you will die. In the United States, the top two causes of death are responsible for more than 50 percent of the annual death toll. In the world at large, there's a lot more variety in how you meet your Maker. Here is our list of the 15 most common causes of death in the United States:

14. Parkinson's disease (tied) 0.7
15. Homicide (tied) 0.7

Source: CDC/NHS, National Vital Statistics System
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Terrific. I have Parkinson's disease. :(

And it ties with homicide. :hmm:
 
seb said:
So let me ask you this, do you think the city streets are safer today than they were 30 years ago, do you think kids going to school are safer than they were 30 years ago? If people had to spend the money to get a real background check we probably would have a lot less people on the streets with guns who shouldn't have them.
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I am curious what aspect of a living room or back alley deal is going to pause to do a background check? Criminals will not do it, it changes nothing except makes legal gun ownership more restrictive...
Oddly yes streets are a lot more safer...
 
Reba said:
If anything, whenever new anti-gun legislation threatens, there's a run on gun, mag and ammo sales, and more people signing up for concealed weapons permits.
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Yeah there are TV commercials for guns now ,this is something new out here. Do you have them where you live ?
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Yeah there are TV commercials for guns now ,this is something new out here. Do you have them where you live ?
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I don't recall any for guns but we do have commercials for gun shops.
 
Reba said:
I don't recall any for guns but we do have commercials for gun shops.
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I never seen guns as TV ads, exception of gun shop and local gun show (local channel only).

MTV used to running alcoholic beverage ads but not anymore.
 
Reba said:
Terrific. I have Parkinson's disease. :(

And it ties with homicide. :hmm:
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My retina specialist changed the diagnosis from RP/US to unknown so he believes that my vision issue is caused from viral meningitis in 1988 - that caused total deafness and bad balance too.

He declared that I'm safe to drive after visual field test.

I will explain more in other thread in health section.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
It was a teacher who realize I was hoh not my parents or doctor !
I am so glad my teacher took the time to give me a hearing test after school . Teachers something are more educated than parents will notice
a student needs help in someway . I am so happy my teacher was involved in my life told my parents I was hoh and needed a hearing aid. A good teacher care about the welfare of their students.
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Absolutely, but they shouldn't have to teach their students right from wrong and to respect others, the parents should of done that before the child even went to school.
 
seb said:
Absolutely, but they shouldn't have to teach their students right from wrong and to respect others, the parents should of done that before the child even went to school.
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There are a lot of factors that create killers. Genes, family conditions and other stressors. That they are taught right from wrong has little bearing. Most killers could tell you what they did was considered wrong. Most where born with certain biological characteristics that make them predisposed to violence and then environmental traumas set them off.
 
:ty:/thanks for posting that - it was a very intriguing article. I'd read a little about that before but not that particular article. My understanding is both physical and sexual abuse, as well as long-standing neglect <especially any combination of them through infancy/early childhood and those developmental stages> can contribute to brain changes...that's what that infamous movie called "Child of Rage" was kinda about.
<movie about young girl who was molested repeatedly by father from infancy and neglected; found tied to a table leg at age 2 or so, in a filthy home, with a younger, infant brother. Brother was laying in crib in own filth and had been there so long un-attended that his head was misshapen. She was later adopted by a family who were not informed of the situation surrounding her rescue. The girl molested and physically abused her younger brother as well in initial foster system and then also in new home with that family, but was exceedingly polite and in control around adults>.
 
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