Oralism eradicating ASL in the near future?

[Wanda Garner]

Impossible. Oralism and cochlear implants do not make any Deaf Person "Hearing" . Cochlear Implants cannot help Deaf People "hear" without reading lips. Cochlear Implants helps Deaf People hear sounds of airplanes, crickets, music, people talking. Cochlear Implants do not help Deaf People talk on phones like any Hearing and Hard of Hearing People can do. This is not a total communications for any Deaf Individual. Deaf Individuals are always excluded from total communications in the Hearing World. Loneliness, less informed and subjected to series of undignified audism is a fact of life for every Deaf Individual living in the Hearing World.The only way to make it "Total Communications" is to take up ASL and recognize Audism Practices as immoral, illegal and unconstitutional. ASL completes the Total Communications for Deaf People in the Hearing World.

 

[Buffalo]

Exactly. That is why ASL must prevail against the wave of CIs. The tough fact is that 90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. It is easy for the hearing parents to be in denial of their child's deafness via CI. I really wish all deaf babies are born to deaf parents and this way would be better for all the Deaf people.

 

[shel90]

Exactly. That is why ASL must prevail against the wave of CIs. The tough fact is that 90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. It is easy for the hearing parents to be in denial of their child's deafness via CI. I really wish all deaf babies are born to deaf parents and this way would be better for all the Deaf people.

I wish the same too!

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Impossible. Oralism and cochlear implants do not make any Deaf Person "Hearing" . Cochlear Implants cannot help Deaf People "hear" without reading lips. Cochlear Implants helps Deaf People hear sounds of airplanes, crickets, music, people talking. Cochlear Implants do not help Deaf People talk on phones like any Hearing and Hard of Hearing People can do. This is not a total communications for any Deaf Individual. Deaf Individuals are always excluded from total communications in the Hearing World. Loneliness, less informed and subjected to series of undignified audism is a fact of life for every Deaf Individual living in the Hearing World.The only way to make it "Total Communications" is to take up ASL and recognize Audism Practices as immoral, illegal and unconstitutional. ASL completes the Total Communications for Deaf People in the Hearing World.

You are wrong. My children do not read lips and they have cochlear implants. I am not saying that all implant people have the skills my children have but I have meet many children and adults that do nor read lips with the use of their CI> My children are able to talk on the phone both with cell phones and land lines. Again not all implant users can do this but I have met many that are able to do this.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Exactly. That is why ASL must prevail against the wave of CIs. The tough fact is that 90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. It is easy for the hearing parents to be in denial of their child's deafness via CI. I really wish all deaf babies are born to deaf parents and this way would be better for all the Deaf people.

I can understand and I am sure I would feel the same way if I was deaf. But that is never going to happen, deaf babies are going to continue to be born to hearing families.

 

[jillio]

I wish the same too!

Awww....come on guys! Pull the knife outta my back, will ya?

 

[shel90]

Awww....come on guys! Pull the knife outta my back, will ya?

I know...LOL!

Seriously, there are some parents that have said they wished their child was born hearing so they wouldnt have to go through all the trauma while many deaf parents wouldnt bat an eye. No offense.

My mom is one of those parents who wishes my brother and I were born hearing.

 

[Buffalo]

I can understand and I am sure I would feel the same way if I was deaf. But that is never going to happen, deaf babies are going to continue to be born to hearing families.

Boy, you sure do come across as snotty. You sound like if you are proud of your controlling your two deaf kids' education and mode of communication. No wonder some of us had some trouble with you because of your oralism attitude. I would love to hear what your kids really think of the oralism once they became adults. Their answer might surprise you.

 

[shel90]

I can understand and I am sure I would feel the same way if I was deaf. But that is never going to happen, deaf babies are going to continue to be born to hearing families.

You never know in the future...

 

[jillio]

I know...LOL!

Seriously, there are some parents that have said they wished their child was born hearing so they wouldnt have to go through all the trauma while many deaf parents wouldnt bat an eye. No offense.

My mom is one of those parents who wishes my brother and I were born hearing.

Yeah...I was just kidding around.

 

[jillio]

You never know in the future...

Yeppers.....never say never!

 

[Doug5]

You are wrong. My children do not read lips and they have cochlear implants. I am not saying that all implant people have the skills my children have but I have meet many children and adults that do nor read lips with the use of their CI> My children are able to talk on the phone both with cell phones and land lines. Again not all implant users can do this but I have met many that are able to do this.

I am the same way but I sometimes miss a lot. With most people I can communicate on the phone and dont need to lip read but not always.

My hearing loss is not severe enough where a CI would help. Even with my hearing aids I miss a significant amount of speech.

In ideal situations my comprehension is good among people I know. You remember words and phrases they like to use. My comprehension is significantly less with people I dont know. This is a serious problem during job interviews, meeting new clients, customers etc.

I dont have CI's but my audiologist told me they have a way to go before they match normal hearing. I applaud you for trying to help youre kids as much as possible. Just dont assume the ci's give your children normal hearing.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

I am the same way but I sometimes miss a lot. With most people I can communicate on the phone and dont need to lip read but not always.

My hearing loss is not severe enough where a CI would help. Even with my hearing aids I miss a significant amount of speech.

In ideal situations my comprehension is good among people I know. You remember words and phrases they like to use. My comprehension is significantly less with people I dont know. This is a serious problem during job interviews, meeting new clients, customers etc.

I dont have CI's but my audiologist told me they have a way to go before they match normal hearing. I applaud you for trying to help youre kids as much as possible. Just dont assume the ci's give your children normal hearing.

Hi Doug,
I now that CI do not give me children normal hearing. I know that the sounds coming from CI are not normal sounds. Even with the CIs my children still function has a person with a mild hearing loss. My children have just learned how to use what they have. I think I helped them out a little bit in that department.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Boy, you sure do come across as snotty. You sound like if you are proud of your controlling your two deaf kids' education and mode of communication. No wonder some of us had some trouble with you because of your oralism attitude. I would love to hear what your kids really think of the oralism once they became adults. Their answer might surprise you.

Buffalo, Can you try to think how I feel. In the beginning of our journey maybe about 15 years ago a Deaf person from the Deaf culture told me that I had no right raising my 2 deaf children, this was before we began our implant journey that I should give my children up for adopation to a Deaf family that would know how to raise my deaf babies. So I carry that with me as many of you carry your awful experiences in life. And so when you said that you wished all deaf babies were born to deaf parents it trigged my memory.

I love my children it doesn't matter to me that they are deaf. How dare someone tell me that I did not have the right to raise my children.

 

[Doug5]

Buffalo, Can you try to think how I feel. In the beginning of our journey maybe about 15 years ago a Deaf person from the Deaf culture told me that I had no right raising my 2 deaf children, this was before we began our implant journey that I should give my children up for adopation to a Deaf family that would know how to raise my deaf babies. So I carry that with me as many of you carry your awful experiences in life. And so when you said that you wished all deaf babies were born to deaf parents it trigged my memory.

I love my children it doesn't matter to me that they are deaf. How dare someone tell me that I did not have the right to raise my children.

thats pretty nasty telling you to give up your children for adoption.

dont judge all deaf people by one deaf fool.

 

[shel90]

thats pretty nasty telling you to give up your children for adoption.

dont judge all deaf people by one deaf fool.

I cant imagine what that person must have been smoking when he/she told Jackie that. Yea, that person must be a fool.

 

[deafdyke]

Even with my hearing aids I miss a significant amount of speech.

YES! Even with CI kids miss a significent amount of speech. And I mean a lot of times, speech perception can be just so completely different depending on the person who is saying the stuff. There are people out there who are wicked good speakers. People who are dhh can easily "hear" them. Yet another person who is a bad speaker (like they aren't used to talking or interacting with dhh folks) someone who is dhh, would prolly get a very low speech perception score. I've known people, with whom I can "hear" even without looking at them (and I can have a "spoken" conversation without any sound just by speechreading) Then again, I've known a lot more people who could cause even someone with mild loss to qualify for a CI, since understanding their speech is so hard!

 

[jillio]

I cant imagine what that person must have been smoking when he/she told Jackie that. Yea, that person must be a fool.

But just because one person said it many years ago does not mean that an entire group of people believe that. All cannot be guilty for the actions of one. I had a woman report me to children's services because I allowed my son to ride a bicycle at the age of 5. He was riding it on a cul-de-sac where there were only 4 other houses, all the neighbors were aware that he was deaf, and I was always outside with him, and she lived down the street. She believed that I was putting him in danger because he could not, according to her, "hear cars". Of course, nothing came of her accusation, because it was absolutely ridiculas. Quite frankly, the woman was an idiot. Does that mean that all of the people who lived in that neighborhood were idiots? She was hearing. Does that mean that all hearing people are that ignorant? Of course not.

 

[Kalista]

Exactly. That is why ASL must prevail against the wave of CIs. The tough fact is that 90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. It is easy for the hearing parents to be in denial of their child's deafness via CI. I really wish all deaf babies are born to deaf parents and this way would be better for all the Deaf people.

I wish too. They can raise them for a better Deaf school and interact with other Deaf children instead of prevent from the reality into the deaf world.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

thats pretty nasty telling you to give up your children for adoption.

dont judge all deaf people by one deaf fool.

I know you are right and i have met amazing Deaf and deaf people since then but this is why I am careful as to what kind of Deaf and deaf people my children hang out with. It also goes the same way Doug not all oralist are the same way. There are many us that believe chldren can be successful in almost any educate mode as long as parents are doing everything they should.