Octuplets' grandmother faces foreclosure threat

Some of you claim that it is not impossible for Nadya to provide for, care for, and keep all FOURTEEN CHILDREN safe and out of danger all by herself with NO ONE to help her. Well, why don't you go out to California, offer to PROVIDE for, TAKE CARE of ALL OF Nadya's FOURTEEN CHILDREN, and KEEP ALL of them SAFE AND OUT OF DANGER with NO help from ANYBODY, not even Nadya or her parents or a babysitter or anybody...only YOURSELF, for a WEEK, with NO breaks for 24 hrs a day 7 days a week for a whole WEEK (single parenting is a 24/7/365 job until the last child has turned 18? (and sometimes even beyond the age of 18 in some situations) Why don't you do that and then come back and tell us all about how you did it? Until then, don't tell me that it is not impossible. Be realistic.
 
Nadya is an idiot for having all those kids....She has fourteen children and no job, no husband/spouse, no income, nothing at all!!! What idiot/moronic person would have more children than they can afford, enspeically when the person doesn't have a job or a stable income or anything!!!

Look at Duggers, they have eighteen children and they can support the family, with no debts. I admire them greatly, as they have more children than average American children and yet they managed to stay out of debt when majority of the average American family are in debt, enspeically when they only have two or three children, or even one!

Now Nadya is an idiotic.....She doesn't care bout children...all she cares about is attention like Jon & Kate plus eight or the Duggers. I just have a feeling that she watched these shows and thought, Hey why don't I have more children and maybe, just maybe that I would become famous, get my own tv show and get rich. :roll: That's just my thinking....but all I know that is she's one of most stupid person I've ever came across to...she has no whatsoever brain sense that a normal thinking human would have.

I honestly think she should have her children removed until two things, one she gets a job and proves that she can support the children with stable income and stable home and two, she gets fixed so she can't have anymore children. Come on, it's ridiculous and the taxpayers in California are paying for her problem...I say that isn't fair! Why should the taxpayers pay the problem she has caused? All I can say is that she's an moron and I certinally don't look at her with respect or admiration.
 
nah, she is the one who have to deal all of those kids, lots of stresses, lots of mental, lots of emotions, not us. so its her concern with her own kids. hope her kids are alright is my concern.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
The Duggars did it with TWO PARENTS, and some of their oldest children help take care of their youngest siblings. The oldest child is 18 or older, I believe.

Nadya has 14 kids ALL UNDER THE AGE OF SEVEN! And she is ALONE. Her mother was helping out with the oldest 6 kids, but now the mother doesn't want to help Nadya with any of the kids anymore. She's tired and sick of Nadya's irresponsible behavior. So, she is ALONE. One woman taking care of FOURTEEN KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF SEVEN, including EIGHT FRAGILE BABIES! THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

If you truly think one woman can take care of FOURTEEN kids all under the AGE OF SEVEN including the OCTUPLETS, I dare you to go out there and take care of ALL 14 CHILDREN all by YOURSELF with NO ONE TO HELP, not even Nadya. I DARE YOU TO DO THAT! Then come back and tell us how you did it! I DARE YOU!
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Ok, BEFORE you respond to this, read the following all the way through, THREE TIMES:

Split the kids up between relatives and/or fosters, for a temporary purpose.
Give her a time limit to establish herself in a job, pay bills, and obtain housing.
Have her prove responsibility.
Then evaluate her progress and reward accordingly. Obviously she is going to need help. No single mother doesn't. But it doesn't mean to burn her in hell because she made a mistake.

PS: I HAVE taken care of that many kids, all under the age of 3. I DO know what she has facing her. I know because I used to REGULARLY work in the church nursery and daycare, getting charge of up to 25 children between the ages of 2 and five. Easter was a pain in the neck and I enjoyed every minute. I say from that experience that it is possible. Not easy by any stretch of the imagination, but possible.

Teach her responsibility and there is no limit to what she can do. Also, who are you to say she is never going to marry? Can you see the future?:giggle:
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Some of you claim that it is not impossible for Nadya to provide for, care for, and keep all FOURTEEN CHILDREN safe and out of danger all by herself with NO ONE to help her. Well, why don't you go out to California, offer to PROVIDE for, TAKE CARE of ALL OF Nadya's FOURTEEN CHILDREN, and KEEP ALL of them SAFE AND OUT OF DANGER with NO help from ANYBODY, not even Nadya or her parents or a babysitter or anybody...only YOURSELF, for a WEEK, with NO breaks for 24 hrs a day 7 days a week for a whole WEEK (single parenting is a 24/7/365 job until the last child has turned 18? (and sometimes even beyond the age of 18 in some situations) Why don't you do that and then come back and tell us all about how you did it? Until then, don't tell me that it is not impossible. Be realistic.
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Here's realism for you, you unmerciful pain in the neck. You don't know either, unless you have tried it before. What experience do you have that it is impossible? Yes, parenting is a 24/7 job. So is everything else in this world. Heck, even training to interpret turns out to be a 24/7 job (because what happens if you are the only person able to be at a place to interpret because nobody else is available? Or maybe you land yourself in a position where you are the only hearing person at a place and you have to get along on your own ability? Been there, done that, really don't want the t-shirt.). You can't judge from experience, so what are you judging from? numbers? You haven't posted any. Statistics? Again, no postie, we have no clue. You are speaking your own opinion and judging that woman prejudicially in the same way people judge Deaf and HOH people incapable. Simply because you have been responsible is no reason to say she can't. She can, otherwise there is no hope for me, or any of the people at the UGM. You have to learn one thing in your life, and it is to try to forgive someone. Start with yourself.
 
Frisky Feline said:
nah, she is the one who have to deal all of those kids, lots of stresses, lots of mental, lots of emotions, not us. so its her concern with her own kids. hope her kids are alright is my concern.
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I agree with you Frisky. Its her responsbility to care for her family. Where monies are concerned, its no different than any person receiving public assistance as part of the income. I have no idea about her financial status currently, there might be some income from her stories that she's sold to news media. Yes, its not a wise choice on her part to create 8 babies. They are babies and deserve to be cared for properly. I just wish her the best to handle her large family.
 
Not directed towards anyone inperticler but!! I am a MOTHER and I am aware of the dangers involved in raising children there is 3 years apart from the older too and 21 months apart from the younger two. My oldest pulled the safety thing off the electrical outlit and stuck keys in it when he was 10 months old..ummm didn't kill him and he never did it again. My youngest climb up on top of the fridge and got children's motrin down opened the child proof lid and took 2 TABLESPOONS of it..I called poison control and they said just keep an eye on him he will be alright!! Okay after saying that I am FULLY aware of the danagers. I'm also fully aware that kids will be kids and no matter what somone is going to get hurt. rather it's 3 kids or 14..Seriously honey if i had 14 kids (OMG) then I would do the best I could and deal with what I've got. When you have kids then you can decide what is possible or not and leturate us about the dangers of raising kids. As a single mom it is terrifing to think something is going to happen to one of my kids..what happens if they fall down the stairs while i"m cooking dinner or kills the hamster..or whatever else they get into..well kids will be kids and I have my responisblity as there mother to feed them and take care of them so my eye (or no mother eyes) will always be on a child.
 
I find the comparison between Duggar family with 18 children and single mother with 14 children is an absurd!!!


Michelle Duggar breed babies every 2 years to 18 babies.

This is a difference.


 
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PS: I HAVE taken care of that many kids, all under the age of 3. I DO know what she has facing her. I know because I used to REGULARLY work in the church nursery and daycare, getting charge of up to 25 children between the ages of 2 and five. Easter was a pain in the neck and I enjoyed every minute. I say from that experience that it is possible. Not easy by any stretch of the imagination, but possible.
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25 children all by yourself, you being the only adult? I don't believe you. Either there was another adult with you, or you are simply omitting the fact that there was another adult there to make us think you took care of all 25 children by yourself when the truth is that there was another adult with you. I'm sorry, but I find it too difficult to believe that you actually kept 25 small children safe all by yourself. You just never know what a child is capable of doing.

I don't believe you anyway because you mentioned it was in a church nursery and daycare, and nurseries and daycares often have two or more adults there.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
25 children all by yourself, you being the only adult? I don't believe you. Either there was another adult with you, or you are simply omitting the fact that there was another adult there to make us think you took care of all 25 children by yourself when the truth is that there was another adult with you. I'm sorry, but I find it too difficult to believe that you actually kept 25 small children safe all by yourself. You just never know what a child is capable of doing.

I don't believe you anyway because you mentioned it was in a church nursery and daycare, and nurseries and daycares often have two or more adults there.
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Teachers do it all the time.
 
Originally Posted by sculleywr
PS: I HAVE taken care of that many kids, all under the age of 3. I DO know what she has facing her. I know because I used to REGULARLY work in the church nursery and daycare, getting charge of up to 25 children between the ages of 2 and five. Easter was a pain in the neck and I enjoyed every minute. I say from that experience that it is possible. Not easy by any stretch of the imagination, but possible.
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Are you hearing?

My son is student and start his work as takecarer in Nursery (Kindergarten) last Monday for 2 week work experience. He told me that I am lucky that I cannot hear their noises... Terrible - it hurt his ears.. :lol: Can you image how could a single mother handle with 14 children alone... ???
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
25 children all by yourself, you being the only adult? I don't believe you. Either there was another adult with you, or you are simply omitting the fact that there was another adult there to make us think you took care of all 25 children by yourself when the truth is that there was another adult with you. I'm sorry, but I find it too difficult to believe that you actually kept 25 small children safe all by yourself. You just never know what a child is capable of doing.

I don't believe you anyway because you mentioned it was in a church nursery and daycare, and nurseries and daycares often have two or more adults there.
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True, 3 or 4 takecarers must be around to responsible for 25 children...
 
Originally Posted by sculleywr
Here's realism for you, you unmerciful pain in the neck. You don't know either, unless you have tried it before. What experience do you have that it is impossible? Yes, parenting is a 24/7 job. So is everything else in this world. Heck, even training to interpret turns out to be a 24/7 job (because what happens if you are the only person able to be at a place to interpret because nobody else is available? Or maybe you land yourself in a position where you are the only hearing person at a place and you have to get along on your own ability? Been there, done that, really don't want the t-shirt.). You can't judge from experience, so what are you judging from? numbers? You haven't posted any. Statistics? Again, no postie, we have no clue. You are speaking your own opinion and judging that woman prejudicially in the same way people judge Deaf and HOH people incapable. Simply because you have been responsible is no reason to say she can't. She can, otherwise there is no hope for me, or any of the people at the UGM. You have to learn one thing in your life, and it is to try to forgive someone. Start with yourself.
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Watch children 24/7 per week? :shock:
 
Octuplets mom says hospital may not release babies

Octuplets mom says hospital may not release babies
The Associated Press
9:31 p.m. February 24, 2009

LOS ANGELES — Nadya Suleman apparently has bigger worries than taking care of her 14 children. Now she may have to prove she can handle the load, or else have hospital officials withhold her newborn octuplets.

Talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw said the 33-year-old unemployed mother called him Tuesday, distraught that Kaiser Permanente officials told her they were concerned about the babies living at her home in suburban Los Angeles.

"What she is telling me is that unless and until she has a better living arrangement, that they are not likely to release the children to her," McGraw told the Los Angeles Times.

Suleman gave birth to the octuplets Jan. 26 in Kaiser's hospital in nearby Bellflower. She has six other children, lives in her mother's three-bedroom home in Whittier and relies on food stamps and disability income to provide for them. The home is under threat of foreclosure and could be sold at auction beginning May 5 because Suleman's mother is $23,225 behind in her mortgage payments, property records show.

Kaiser officials declined to comment on Suleman's case.

"Any conversations that the mother may or may not have had on this topic are private and we could not discuss them," said Kaiser spokesman Jim Anderson.

Anderson said a multidisciplinary team works with mothers who have multiple babies in the neonatal intensive care unit and advises on how to prepare for the babies before they come home.

Social workers evaluate parents of very premature babies to determine what services the children and family may be entitled to, said Vicky Bermudez, a neonatal intensive care unit nurse at the Kaiser hospital in Roseville.

The octuplets were born nine weeks premature.

"If they feel there's a risk to a baby, they contact Child Protective Services and Child Protective Services would make a determination as to whether or not there's a reason for concern," Bermudez said.

A call to the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services was not returned Tuesday night.

Suleman has taped two episodes of McGraw's "Dr. Phil" show. The first is scheduled to air Wednesday.

Suleman has not responded to repeated interview requests from The Associated Press. Her phone has been disconnected and she no longer has a publicist.
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I don't know what makes anyone think that this woman is capable of taking care of 14 children on her own when she has already proven that she can't care for the 6 she already has at home.

CPS should be involved. The hospital officials have done the right thing by these babies by involving the authorities.
 
I have never seen one teacher taking care of 25 kids under three. When the Ratio only allows one adult per 4 infants. and one adult per 6 One year olds. one adult per 11 two year olds. and one adult per 15 three year olds. and one adult per 20 four year olds.

after that one adult can be with 25 five year olds and up.


Again I am only speaking for the state of Florida. But I have never seen any states that allows one adult per 25 that are under the age of 3.


I agree with that the fact CPS needs to be involved to check on the welfare of the children that this single mom is taking care of. I am sure she will have to have a nanny or help in this situation. Which probably will cost tax payers more money. And she will have to have a home that is large enough be able to allow the children enough space in the home for sleep, eat and play.
 
sculleywr said:
Ok, BEFORE you respond to this, read the following all the way through, THREE TIMES:

Split the kids up between relatives and/or fosters, for a temporary purpose.
Give her a time limit to establish herself in a job, pay bills, and obtain housing.
Have her prove responsibility.

Yep, that's what I agree. Just give her a chance to learn and get there herself with some help.

Then evaluate her progress and reward accordingly. Obviously she is going to need help. No single mother doesn't. But it doesn't mean to burn her in hell because she made a mistake.

By havin' 8 babies is her first experience and it is goin' to be her first time to learn how to handle and stuff. She's still young at the age of 33.

PS: I HAVE taken care of that many kids, all under the age of 3. I DO know what she has facing her. I know because I used to REGULARLY work in the church nursery and daycare, getting charge of up to 25 children between the ages of 2 and five. Easter was a pain in the neck and I enjoyed every minute. I say from that experience that it is possible. Not easy by any stretch of the imagination, but possible.

I am curious. What have you learned from takin' care of many kids under the age of 3 ? Do you feel the need some help when you were in this situation at that time ?

Teach her responsibility and there is no limit to what she can do.

Right.

Also, who are you to say she is never going to marry? Can you see the future?:giggle:
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:ty: for sharin' your experience.
 
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