Obama's message to schools - text

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Equitable funding is the answer. And there are numerous reasons for the President's kids to attend a smaller, private institution. Get real, here. Like you have any concern for education.
Hmm, with a $2 trillion dollar running deficit, are you saying that there's no money available to make this work and help at-risk kids to get a fair shot at a better education? I'm all for that. And how does that make me not have any concern for education? I suppose it's all about teacher unions who want to make sure that DC kids or any voucher programs fail then? Are you a part of a teacher union, too? I see nothing wrong with a voucher program as a way to get kids out to a better school instead of being stuck in a cycle of bad education.
 


I find it utterly amazing on how well this concept works. And how it offers a way to save money in the process while giving these kids a real fighting chance at a better education.
 
Without NCLB legislation that decides funding incorrectly, the schools would have had the funding to compete academically and a voucher program would not have been necessary.
So $15,000 per student isn't enough for public schools to compete with private schools charging $6,000 per student?
 
So $15,000 per student isn't enough for public schools to compete with private schools charging $6,000 per student?

All districts are not receiving $15,000 per student. And $6,000 is only tuition.
 
You're right. Most school districts spend far less money and get far better results.

Hardly.

Yup. Anything more to add?

Yep. $ tuition costs do not equal the amount spent per student. So the point is moot.
 
Here ya go, DD.

Data from the National Center for Education Statistics indicate that the average private elementary school tuition in America is less than $4,000 and the average private secondary school tuition is around $6,000. Public schools spend far more per student, so states could save money by allowing more children to attend less expensive private schools.

Private schools cost less, as a rule, because of smaller administrative bureaucracies. A 1989 study by the Manhattan Institute showed that New York City public schools had 6,000 administrators on the payroll while the city's Catholic schools had only 25, even though parochial schools served about one-forth as many students. According to 1999 data from the National Center for Education Statistics, teachers comprise only 52.2% of all public-school personnel in America. In private schools, the percentage is above 80%.

Massive public school bureaucracies are a much more serious problem then a supposed lack of funding.

In fact, New York City already has the second-highest school spending level in the nation. Only Washington, D.C., spends more, but doesn't get better results. That's why the D.C. mayor, Anthony Williams, supported a new school-voucher program that gives children in his city up to $7,500 for tuition, transportation, and fees to attend local private schools.

The D.C. program enrolled over 1,000 children in private schools this school year. The $7,500 spent per student is far less than the $13,355 the district currently spends to educate a child in its public schools. Next year, the program will expand to almost 2,000 private school scholarships.

If New York City did the same thing, it could save nearly a half-billion dollars every year in education costs, assuming that at least 10% of the city's 1.1 million public school students took the private option. If 20% made the jump to private schools, the city would save almost $1 billion a year. At the same time, many children would get a chance for a better education.

Choice programs have a further advantage: They force public school bureaucracies to compete. The fact that public schools could lose students and revenues when children leave for private schools would inspire improvements throughout the public system. As new private schools open to take advantage of the new regime, children would have more options, and the quality of education would improve for everyone.

Throwing billions of dollars at the New York City school system is not the answer. If the state of New York wants to help children, it should increase competition and choice among schools.
This was back in 2005 when school vouchers actually meant something.
Real Education Reform | David Salisbury | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary
 
Problem with your article. Tuition does not equal amount spent per student.
 
Yep. $ tuition costs do not equal the amount spent per student. So the point is moot.
It covers "tuition, fees, and transportation expenses (if any)". It's not clear whether textbooks are covered, so add a few hundred to that. The picture's still the same- private entities delivered a superior result to a bloated public monopoly.

I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable to think that the special wonderful people who comprise the Democrat caucus of Congress would screw over a bunch of poor minority children simply because a power constituent tells them to. However, this story has too many real-life ramifications for us to ignore it or flippantly whisk it away so we don't have to feel a little cognitive dissonance. I could maybe understand if there was a good principled reason to do away with the program, but there wasn't. It's pure politics.
 
It covers "tuition, fees, and transportation expenses (if any)". It's not clear whether textbooks are covered, so add a few hundred to that. The picture's still the same- private entities delivered a superior result to a bloated public monopoly.

I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable to think that the special wonderful people who comprise the Democrat caucus of Congress would screw over a bunch of poor minority children simply because a power constituent tells them to. However, this story has too many real-life ramifications for us to ignore it or flippantly whisk it away so we don't have to feel a little cognitive dissonance. I could maybe understand if there was a good principled reason to do away with the program, but there wasn't. It's pure politics.

You're missing several costs that are figured into the cost of education per student. And you are also missing several variables that contribute to higher success rates of private schools.

It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all, because it is simply not a truism. NCLB was the worst legislation passed in recent years for minority children and inner city schools. And yes, there was a good principled reason to do away with the program.
 
So $15,000 per student isn't enough for public schools to compete with private schools charging $6,000 per student?
Private school tuition is even cheaper in my state.

In recent years the public schools in my area have been installing Smart Boards (at great expense) in the classrooms but I haven't noticed any smarter results from the kids.
 
It covers "tuition, fees, and transportation expenses (if any)". It's not clear whether textbooks are covered, so add a few hundred to that. The picture's still the same- private entities delivered a superior result to a bloated public monopoly.
Books are usually extra at private schools. Some offer used books or book exchanges which keep down the costs. Also, siblings can pass them down.

Don't forget, public schools also charge the students' families for materials that aren't covered by the schools. Most of the students in this area spend another $50-100 per school year for materials. Then there are fees for band, labs, field trips, sports, etc.

The sad thing is, even with all the tax money spent on public schools, the results just aren't there. I've interpreted in the schools, so I see what's happening. My daughter is a volunteer tutor for inner city kids, and she tells me heart-breaking stories about how little the public school kids know.

I realize that my state is one of the worst and not indicative of all public schools but I read about national educational problems, too.
 
Equitable funding is the answer. And there are numerous reasons for the President's kids to attend a smaller, private institution. Get real, here. Like you have any concern for education.

Oh they DO have concerns for education, they only want it for THEMSELVES!
 
Sad, huh? Reba.

Yeah, we want it ALLLL for ourselves. Calm down.
 
Oh they DO have concerns for education, they only want it for THEMSELVES!
Don't all parents want good educations for their children? What's wrong with that? That doesn't mean they don't want good educations for others' children, too. In fact, people who support vouchers want them available to all kids, not just their own kids.
 
Oh they DO have concerns for education, they only want it for THEMSELVES!

Yep. Education and health care both. Shameful. The old "Hey, I'm doing fine. Why should I care about anyone else?" mentality.
 
And we can thank the Federal govt for ensuring that. There is no other solution but a govt solution.

B.S.
 
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