Obamacare watch...Supreme Court Decision

jazzy said:
please explain little bit more about what this court upheld? meaning people without insurance must pay against their wishes or they pay big fine? still?
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Yep, But as I and most others argued, The court ruled that it is a Tax....Something that Obama denied. Since the rich have insurance and the poor are covered it is essentially a tax on the middle class.

I am thinking Roberts may be a genius....we will have to wait and see.
 
jazzy said:
please explain little bit more about what this court upheld?
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mainly - individual mandate.

jazzy said:
meaning people without insurance must pay against their wishes or they pay big fine? still?
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you are free to not get health insurance. the government cannot compel you to get one but if you don't get one, you can get taxed, not penalty fees or fines. however, this shouldn't be of a concern to you due to exemptions.
 
Jiro said:
exempted.


no.


it's certainly not because of Obamacare since it doesn't even take effect until 2014. if more businesses are going out of business before Obamacare even take effect, it's because of fat cats, not Obamacare.
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Or people preparing for/protesting against obamacare. :)
 
jazzy said:
please explain little bit more about what this court upheld? meaning people without insurance must pay against their wishes or they pay big fine? still?
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If you have Medicare or Medicaid or Tricare or private insurance from work or private insurance from exchange so you will not face tax penalty.

If you can't afford to buy insurance so government will help you.

Not having health insurance is serious liable to medical care cost.
 
TXgolfer said:
Yep, But as I and most others argued, The court ruled that it is a Tax....Something that Obama denied. Since the rich have insurance and the poor are covered it is essentially a tax on the middle class.

I am thinking Roberts may be a genius....we will have to wait and see.
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correction - the whole point of this Obamacare is to provide coverage for middle class since majority of middle classes are uninsured.
 
Jiro said:
correction - the whole point of this Obamacare is to provide coverage for middle class since majority of middle classes are uninsured.
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Provide? :lol: I thought it was about reducing costs for the middle class through exchanges. Interesting. :lol:
 
TXgolfer said:
Or people preparing for/protesting against obamacare. :)
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then that would be a very misguided effort.

there are plenty worse thing than Obamacare that adversely affect small businesses such as tax cuts/tax exemptions/tax loopholes for corporations and riches.

In case you didn't know, Obama has already passed benefit package for small businesses last year or so.
 
Jiro said:
then that would be a very misguided effort.

there are plenty worse thing than Obamacare that adversely affect small businesses such as tax cuts/tax exemptions/tax loopholes for corporations and riches.

In case you didn't know, Obama has already passed benefit package for small businesses last year or so.
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And how was that received. :laugh2:
 
TXgolfer said:
Provide? :lol: I thought it was about reducing costs for the middle class through exchanges. Interesting. :lol:
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it is. this will force health insurances and hospitals to reduce ridiculously over-inflated and ballooned medical costs. it's comical to charge patient $100 for a pair of tylenols.
 
TXgolfer said:
And how was that received. :laugh2:
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why don't you explain instead of :laugh2: around which can be perceived as trolling and combative?

Maybe I'm missing something or not understanding something so I hope you will be more forthcoming and cooperative in this thread instead of acting like a buffoon.
 
kokonut said:
If it moves, tax it.
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Yep :lol: Basically the court upheld the commerce clause (excellent) but granted almost unlimited taxing power which should scare the piss out of most independents.
 
TXgolfer said:
Yep :lol: Basically the court upheld the commerce clause (excellent) but granted almost unlimited taxing power which should scare the piss out of most independents.
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Nonsense.
 
Jiro said:
it is. this will force health insurances and hospitals to reduce ridiculously over-inflated and ballooned medical costs. it's comical to charge patient $100 for a pair of tylenols.
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So, "provide" was wrong then...
 
TXgolfer said:
Yep :lol: Basically the court upheld the commerce clause (excellent) but granted almost unlimited taxing power which should scare the piss out of most independents.
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That's right. Now the gate is open for taxing anything they want.
 
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